TRS-2010

[xinrobbie]

TS2010 is an improvement on previous Trainz in my opinion, so yes I'm pleased with it. Clearly we disagree.

PS I think it should be "you're".

Oh Amiga, if you really have to resort to the depths of highlighting grammatical errors in my post then you are clearly scraping the bottom of the barrel as far as a response is concerned, you really are!

I type fast and as such, am not particularly interested in making messages on the Internet read like a formal letter. If you want to get into an argument over spelling and grammar fine. I have six years experience teaching English at University but lets not bore the community with it here, please.

Your now, ehm yes I said your.... You are moving off topic and it's time to get back on track.

You say Trainz 2010 is an improvement on previous versions in your opinion. Id say that is a fact. Trainz 2010 is an improvement, the argument over how much of an improvement is the question at hand.

Again you point out "I'm pleased with it"

So again I say, you must be very easily pleased. To be happy to pay 49$ for a few minor improvements that could have been implemented into the game with a service pack, granted one you may have to pay a fee to access would be the better way to have gone, but certainly not charge people the cost of a brand new product.

Many other programs undergo the same kinds of minor improvements that Trainz had undergone here, and most of those don't slap a 49$ price tag on for you to use them when they do.

Like I say, I am not trying to say that improvements should be free, someone has to foot the bill for Auran developers tweaking and enhancing their software, but there is a major difference between that and releasing a new product.

 

[xinrobbie]

Angela,

You will love TS2010. I used 2004 until about a year ago, but once I got into TS2010 there was no turning back. Spent many frustratiting hours converting over many of my 2004 routes to make them usable in native mode, but once that was done it was like a new world of Trainz.

I made the decision that all assets that I used in 2010 would be error free. That required that I discard some of my favorite assets and replacing them with error free assets. but today I have over 30,000 error free assets installed which makes running 2010 and my old routes a joy to run.

If I was only on 2004, then the jump to 2010 would probably be worth it. However, I can see very little improvement from 06 to 10. And to be quite honest, if you look at what improvement has taken place from 06 to 10 obviously some of which is very good, did it really have to take 2 alleged brand new versions of the game to get there..... I think not.

Auran seem to be taking a leaf out of Electronic Arts book and releasing an apparent new version every year now.

 

[johnwhelan]

I type fast and as such, am not particularly interested in making messages on the Internet read like a formal letter. If you want to get into an argument over spelling and grammar fine. I have six years experience teaching English at University but lets not bore the community with it here, please.

Your now, ehm yes I said your.... You are moving off topic and it's time to get back on track.

You say Trainz 2010 is an improvement on previous versions in your opinion. Id say that is a fact. Trainz 2010 is an improvement, the argument over how much of an improvement is the question at hand.

Again you point out "I'm pleased with it"

So again I say, you must be very easily pleased. To be happy to pay 49$ for a few minor improvements that could have been implemented into the game with a service pack, granted one you may have to pay a fee to access would be the better way to have gone, but certainly not charge people the cost of a brand new product.

Many other programs undergo the same kinds of minor improvements that Trainz had undergone here, and most of those don't slap a 49$ price tag on for you to use them when they do.

Like I say, I am not trying to say that improvements should be free, someone has to foot the bill for Auran developers tweaking and enhancing their software, but there is a major difference between that and releasing a new product.

It's cheering to see the standard of English taught at university these days. TS2009/10 both have some major technical improvements over the earlier versions. Little things like DXT compression, being able to use 4 gigs of memory under a 64 bit operating system, the ability to run on multiple cores, if you have an arts background this is probably mysterious jargon that means nothing. If you have a programming background these are very interesting ways of making better use of existing PCs and not just minor tweaks. TS2009 basically pushed a lot of processing down to the graphics card which unfortunately threw up the blended alpha problem, many trees didn't display correctly in non technical terms, TS2010 includes Speedtree to address this issue.

Most XBOX games seem to be priced at $59.99 and you are complaining about a $49 price for TS2010? It doesn't seem to be out of line to me.

>Auran should add at least a certain degree of new content to their new products, not just a piece of track and a new engine, as was the case in 2009. And this time around a few trees.

2009 WBE edition was specifically for content creators to create content. The intention was to have a TS2009 EE version with new content. This became TS2010 and that is the version with new content. Trainz has always been about Auran building the game engine and content creators building the content.

Cheerio John

 

[xinrobbie]

It's cheering to see the standard of English taught at university these days. TS2009/10 both have some major technical improvements over the earlier versions. Little things like DXT compression, being able to use 4 gigs of memory under a 64 bit operating system, the ability to run on multiple cores, if you have an arts background this is probably mysterious jargon that means nothing. If you have a programming background these are very interesting ways of making better use of existing PCs and not just minor tweaks. TS2009 basically pushed a lot of processing down to the graphics card which unfortunately threw up the blended alpha problem, many trees didn't display correctly in non technical terms, TS2010 includes Speedtree to address this issue.

Most XBOX games seem to be priced at $59.99 and you are complaining about a $49 price for TS2010? It doesn't seem to be out of line to me.

>Auran should add at least a certain degree of new content to their new products, not just a piece of track and a new engine, as was the case in 2009. And this time around a few trees.

2009 WBE edition was specifically for content creators to create content. The intention was to have a TS2009 EE version with new content. This became TS2010 and that is the version with new content. Trainz has always been about Auran building the game engine and content creators building the content.

Cheerio John

I fail to see how you can use the terms "Little Things" and "Not Just Minor Improvements in the same paragraph.

2009 was not specifically for content creators to create content, a fact that can be backed up by the comments posted by Auran regarding said product, in which they state that they "Auran" will provide a constant flow of new content.

That never happened, which is why there were so many annoyed people last time around. Then they have the hubris to release an alleged brand new version of Trainz the following year which, granted does have some new content available, is still a far cry from being anywhere near a new product.

This is nothing more than what TES2009 should have been in the first place, the fix the errors and most of the bugs, actually get around to adding at least some content and then release it as a new product.

Taking the **** as far as I am concerned.

Clearly the fact that Auran are shafting you is a fact that you can live with, even to the extent of being extremely happy about it. 10 years from now, they will still be messing around with the same ancient engine, everything will have moved on significantly, not that it hasn't already, and you will still be there feeding Auran 49$ or more every year like clockwork for the same old product.

I hear Auran are going to add a couple of new grass textures in 2011, get your credit card ready, perhaps you can pre-order it now.

Reminds me of The Simpson's episode with Malibu Stacy and the new hat.....

All I can say is the developers and marketing guys have got it easy at Auran, my god that must be an easy job considering how little they need to achieve to impress their customers.

 

[baz66]

Is this a automatic repeating thread or something? hey Angelah. YEA
baz

 

[amigacooke]

So again I say, you must be very easily pleased. To be happy to pay 49$ for a few minor improvements that could have been implemented into the game with a service pack, granted one you may have to pay a fee to access would be the better way to have gone, but certainly not charge people the cost of a brand new product.

I didn't pay $49, I paid $60 less than I paid for the original Trainz in 2001.

Like any other product that is offered for sale, you make a judgement and buy on that basis. As you say, if you don't like the offering for 2010, wait for 2011.

 

[xinrobbie]

I didn't pay $49, I paid $60 less than I paid for the original Trainz in 2001.

Like any other product that is offered for sale, you make a judgement and buy on that basis. As you say, if you don't like the offering for 2010, wait for 2011.

Yes, and that judgement is built on what? On how the person(s) offering the product market and describe it, which is exactly what mine was based upon.

It's only upon purchase that you realise you have ended up with a lemon. As for waiting for the next instalment, no way. Auran have duped me for the very last time.

In future, I will reluctantly choose to test out the software "via other means" and make a fully informed decision that way.

If it turns out to be worthwhile, then I will part with the cash. However, given Aurans track record so far, and the fact there are so many people out there, such as yourself, who are happy to keep Auran financially
stable, buying the same product over and over again, I do not see the next release being any different from what has been already.

You say you paid 60$, less than you paid for the original Trainz in 2001...

This is the original Trainz, with a few improvements :hehe:

 

[amigacooke]

Yes, and that judgement is built on what? On how the person(s) offering the product market and describe it, which is exactly what mine was based upon.

It's only upon purchase that you realise you have ended up with a lemon.

You said that TS2010 was an improvement on previous versions and now you claim it is a lemon. It's getting confusing. If you were claiming that TS2010 is disappointing in some aspects rather than ranting and raving that it's the biggest swindle since the South Sea Bubble I'd have sympathy, but I can't agree that a grievous crime has been committed, because it hasn't.

This is the original Trainz, with a few improvements :hehe:

I don't really see your point, all software is just 0 and 1, so fundamentally it's all the same ... with a few improvements.

I trust you're still using Windows 95 then (or hopefully Mac OS 8)?

 

[AJ_Fox]

Back and forth personal disagreements are best accomplished personally and outside the realm of this Forum.

Cheers

AJ

 

[xinrobbie]

I give up, your clearly happy paying through the nose for pretty much the same software as last year so congratulations to you.

Auran will never release a truly ground breaking update as long as people are as happy as you obviously are.

Bye :wave:

 

[angelah]

2010

My copy of 2010 and a freebie of Trainz Railroad Simulator arrived this morning. That was really quick work on behalf of Auran, well done...
And thank you....

Now comes the fun bit, getting used to it. I won't rush, just take my time and see what's in it and what works and what doesn't.

Angela

 

[ColPrice2002]

Dear Angela,

I think that most of your routes will run in 2010 (Certainly the route from Paddington to Reading).
Certainly it does on my PC, and the performance in 2010 is a lot better than 2006 (better prgramming and uses dual cores!).

One trick/challenge I've had is that Auran changed the default "tree" to a Speedtree" - unfortunately the shape is much different so it looks wrong - and too many speedtrees kill the fps.
The "replace" feature is darned useful though (I've changed a route or two so that there are fewer speedtrees).

Enjoy,

Colin

 

[angelah]

It's in!

Hi all and ColPrice2002,
It installed faultlessly. Took an age searching for assets but I just let it do it's thing and that was all it needed. Turned off the Anti-virus of course. This is a new PC so I didn't update the drivers.
Opened the ECML fine and had a look round in Surveyor. I noticed all the older items in there so it looks very familiar!
That's all I have done so far as I have somebody here, but later I shall look more closely.
Thanks for the tips about my routes running in it. It may be that once I get this section done it could be released in bot 04 and 2010... just a thought.

Angela

 

[scottling]

I've been thinking.... TS2010 may have a couple of issues, but why don't we all just chill out, calm down, and do something utterly stupid like WAIT FOR A SERVICE PACK?! Besides, if you look over in the screenshots thread, some people are making really nice routes in TS2010, bit my dad doesn't think TS2010 is worth the $40 or whatever you buy it for, so I won't be able to enjoy these new routes.

Everyone, if we all wait for a service pack to solve these problems, maybe we'll see some less whinging around these forums, whinging that is stopping some people getting the game in the first place.

Happy Trainzing,
Scott.

 

[mikeman]

Excuse me, but are you really going to sit there and tell me that paying the purchase price you have paid for this is actually value for money....seriously!!!!

Yes I will say that value for money spent with 2010 is extremely good. Have you taken a look at Model train prices lately?

 

[angelah]

Up and running

2010 is up and running. I ran the ECML from Kings X in an HST, great and no stutter at all.
I would rather like to find this yellow/gold Star so I can get ALL the content and turn off Speedtreez if possible, so any tips would be appreciated.
But for my twopennyworth it installed no problems and ran straight away, no problems. Now that can't be bad!
And surprisingly I have no gripes - yet. It's done all I asked of it so far. But early days yet.
Next job is to get all the content for WCL2 into CMthingummy and get that route into it for testing. That will take a while though.
I have had CM2 running and it inloaded both cdp's and content no problems and sorted out ALL the missings assets I had, which is a lot more than the 2006 CMP did.

So a guarded well done to Auran. I'll give them a full pat on the back when I have had more time with it and if this version works properly. Well, that WILL make a change, won't it!

Angela

 

[barn700]

Angela

at the routes screen, click on each star you dont want to see, then at the top click on the star to select favourites or all

It will then show all routes or just the ones you want

 

[xinrobbie]

Excuse me, but are you really going to sit there and tell me that paying the purchase price you have paid for this is actually value for money....seriously!!!!

Yes I will say that value for money spent with 2010 is extremely good. Have you taken a look at Model train prices lately?

Comparing it to model trains does not even come into the argument, its not even in the same ball park. You could go as far as to say it's value for money, have you seen the price of a real train and network lately!!!!

I am not comparing this to physical models, I am comparing it to the previous versions.

Let me ask you this Mikeman, is 2010 your only version of Trainz?
Do you have any earlier versions?

If you have 2004, then I can agree its worth the price, no argument there and I have already stated that fact earlier.

If you own any version that follows 2004, especially 2009, then I strongly disagree, the improvement is minor and not worth the cost at all.

I'm not trying to say the improvements that have taken place should be free or anything, but they are not worth the set price, perhaps half.

 

[Mouse84]

Please stop feeding the troll.

 

[xinrobbie]

Please stop feeding the troll.

Yeah keep feeding Auran instead