Trainz-build numbers below 3.7 are no longer supported....
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To Auran.
Well if this is going to be implemented regarding that nothing will be accepted to the download station
below build 3 7 I can tell you that will be the end of many trainz follows.
I think you have to have another look regarding the Trainz build Number and except at least build 3,3
or even 2.9
So if you do not care about that well go right ahead .
We can always find another trains Simulator.
Still the majority uses trainz 2009 2010 even 2006
herlev
Well if this is going to be implemented regarding that nothing will be accepted to the download station
below build 3 7 I can tell you that will be the end of many trainz follows.
I think you have to have another look regarding the Trainz build Number and except at least build 3,3
or even 2.9
So if you do not care about that well go right ahead .
We can always find another trains Simulator.
Still the majority uses trainz 2009 2010 even 2006
herlev
Tony_Hilliam
Trainz Plus - enjoy Trainz from just 20 cents a da
I'm afraid Herlev that anecdotal evidence can be outweighed by the facts - actually, TS12 is BY FAR the best selling PC version of Trainz ever (perhaps in part because it has not been superceded by a new version since release in April 2011) and Trainz Driver 1 has had well over 1.5 million downloads making it the most popular version of Trainz overall.
Rather than jumping in to answer some of the other points raised here in more detail, I will refrain until our full response is posted (hopefully tomorrow, but there are other priorities such as ensuring the smooth release of the best possible new version of Trainz).
I will make the single point that one reason we are so focused on the New Era of Trainz is that we know our past products are past their best. If people want to cling to 2004/6 or whatever, they are welcome to do so. Those products work and there are alternatives to the DLS. It is our hope and desire that the people who are interested in seeing things improve from where they were at a decade ago will jump on board and support T:ANE so that we can continue to improve things way beyond where they have ever been before and beyond the competition as well.
Rather than jumping in to answer some of the other points raised here in more detail, I will refrain until our full response is posted (hopefully tomorrow, but there are other priorities such as ensuring the smooth release of the best possible new version of Trainz).
I will make the single point that one reason we are so focused on the New Era of Trainz is that we know our past products are past their best. If people want to cling to 2004/6 or whatever, they are welcome to do so. Those products work and there are alternatives to the DLS. It is our hope and desire that the people who are interested in seeing things improve from where they were at a decade ago will jump on board and support T:ANE so that we can continue to improve things way beyond where they have ever been before and beyond the competition as well.
Reading posts in this thread i got the impression that the biggest problem for this creators is DRM (or Steam, if you wish).
Build 61388 work very good for me. I prefer to use the best looking material ( content, assets) and i wish that all material would be build 4.1. In this moment i need 30 DB locos and a lot of wagons, in at least build 3.7, to continue work on EUtogether route and sessions. I respect all the creator's efforts, but it seems that TANE is the start in the better looking simulator.
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amigacooke
Well-known member
It's my hope and desire too. Any news on MacTANE 1.2 please?
Hello Sir ...
I will make it short, as you've stated, sir ... "short paragraphs!" --- here's one sentence!!!
Next around please inform us, contents creators of any significant changes so we can be ready for them, and not pull the rug out from under our feet all of a sudden!
Ish
But is it the most used?
That's the question.
From what I've read from many people, after installing SP1, it all becomes too much bother to use.
My guess would be that both TS10 and the base version of TS12 are probably the most used versions, both of which you are cutting off support for.
I may buy TS12 tomorrow, but I've already been convinced, from several well-respected members of this community, that SP1 is a no-go.
I'm actually still not convinced that TS12 is worth getting for the base version, so if any users have any advice on whether I should get it, or just stick with TS10, it would be most grateful.
Brian.
If they reverse their decision to drop support below 3.7, buy it, update it to 49922 and you're good to go, no DRM too. I recommend boxed versions; most digital download versions have already been updated to 61388. If you do buy it on Steam you can also choose to stick to SP1.
If otherwise, keep your dollars to yourself.
If otherwise, keep your dollars to yourself.
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I think you are being influenced by a noisy minority rather than the silent majority. TS12 SP1 HF4 works just fine for me. I have a clean install (no DLC) for testing my assets and a "play" install with DLC. I went through the difficulties of updating both. Yes, it was problematic.
I liked TS06, TS09 and TS10 but if something new and improved comes along then I will use it. That includes T:ANE. All through the alpha and beta testing I have only ever had fairly minor problems. But I did update my PC for T:ANE and I followed the instructions for installation. Sometimes I think some totally ignore that and then bitch that it doesn't work.
jacksonbarno
Alco Spoken Here
Tony, you forget that the competitive edge of Trainz comes not from graphics, performance, or otherwise, but from the community and the immense ammount of content that is produced by it. By cutting off that uniqueness, Trainz loses it's edge. As of now, Trainz A New Era is nowhere near being able to be competitive on it's own, and therefore the community needs to be around to supplement it. By blindsiding the community and cutting off support, you have cut off many of the very people that keep this sim alive.
If you expect to stay competitive, you need to work with the community, not against it.
If you expect to stay competitive, you need to work with the community, not against it.
What for, i wish to run a good looking TS in at least 4.1 build
I am using 61388 without issue as well, although I do recognize others have problems with it, dependent on how they use it and probably hardware as well. One thing that should be mentioned is that you can't take whatever opinions that are posted on this forum as conclusive evidence on anything, one way or the other. A majority here is only that, a majority of people who happen to post here, not of the overall user base. Human nature being what it is, people tend to be more vocal about things they don't like as opposed to when they are satisfied. They experience and knowledge of the person posting is to be taken into account for sure, but one shouldn't make sweeping, inclusive judgements based solely on what is said here.
Thanks for the advice guys.
Which update should I avoid, if I choose to go down that road?
Also, I've always let Steam update all my games whenever it wants to, as it's usually a good idea, but I can't remember if you can stop individual games updating automatically.
Of course, if I update to the latest patch, and things are screwy for me, I can always go back to the stable version.
And I am aware that there may not be as many people having problems as it seems, but I never judge anything by just a couple of remarks.
I'm very logical, and there has to be enough people, and enough reasons for me to be swayed. And there are.
I think I mistakenly thought that SP1 was the problem update.
Which update should I avoid, if I choose to go down that road?
Also, I've always let Steam update all my games whenever it wants to, as it's usually a good idea, but I can't remember if you can stop individual games updating automatically.
Of course, if I update to the latest patch, and things are screwy for me, I can always go back to the stable version.
And I am aware that there may not be as many people having problems as it seems, but I never judge anything by just a couple of remarks.
I'm very logical, and there has to be enough people, and enough reasons for me to be swayed. And there are.
cascaderailroad
New member
So ... Go run your silly little train sim, route with trainz-build 4.1 ... That's no reason to ruin a game for lower users ... This is just plain an extremely "Bad Business" practice for N3V, and future sales may reflect this, and may even cause N3V to go bankrupt. This is nothing short of sabotaging lower trainz-builds ... physically forcing people to buy a new game.
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You are correct, it is. I made a mistake; meant to say "pre-SP1". However, I also made another mistake; Steam has this feature where you can select exactly which beta build/version of your game you'd like to run, not actual version. I don't have TS12 on Steam but on ETS2 this is what I do to stay at a version I do not want to update past until my mods are compatible.
However, if N3V did not roll out betas for their updates like SCS does, then it is not possible to prevent the game from updating itself. You can enable Offline Mode but once you turn that off it will update your game. You cannot turn off auto-update in Steam. Do not buy TS12 on Steam. I apologize for the misinformation.
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Hello cascaderailroad
I appreciated your opinion
It seems that i must explain a little more.
You said:'' This is nothing short of sabotaging lower trainz-builds''. I think that TANE has nothing with this. A lower versions works without problem.
You said:''That's no reason to ruin a game for lower users''. TANE is new release and have nothing to do with lower versions.
You said:''Go run your silly little train sim, route with trainz-build 4.1'', Yes it's my wish to run a good looking TS some days in the future, when enough assets build 3.7 or 4.1 will be available.
regards
celje
@nicky9499: Yeah, I just checked my steam client, and googled around a bit, and it's not possible to stop updates.
I think I might bite the bullet and let it update.
I might be one of the lucky ones, and have no problems.
And hopefully the Steam updater will do a better job than Trainz patcher does, which always give me trouble.
Thanks again.
I think I might bite the bullet and let it update.
I might be one of the lucky ones, and have no problems.
And hopefully the Steam updater will do a better job than Trainz patcher does, which always give me trouble.
Thanks again.
WARNING: This may qualify as a "book" so those whose attention span is limited to 2 sentences or less will likely never read this.
My thoughts on the forced Trainz-Build 3.7 rule and its impact on the DLS and Trainz users and creators:
1. We knew it was coming as far back as August, 2014. It was supposed to happen in September with the release of TANE, then it was January with the delayed release of TANE, then May, and then ????. So, when you say there was no warning, you were warned. It is just that we expected to have more time. At least until a functional (non-Beta) release of TANE could be produced. When we woke up on April 25 and realize that the world had suddenly changed we were somewhat shocked and that, I think, is the primary reason for all the push back.
2. Where are the N3V sanctioned/produced TS-12, SP 1 and TANE Content Creation Bibles? The response to most folks who ask for insructions on content creation for Build 3.7 or TANE is that there is an old content creation Wiki out there but it is out of date/obsolete. Why would you impose a new "standard" without fully documenting what that new standard requires? It makes no sense.
3. When using Google to look for content creation information, I found a few Forum threads that had been started and apparently abandoned, most stoping back in December. One provided a link to a Procedural Track (to TANE content creation, I assume, since that was the topic of the thread) at this location:
https://anewera.centercode.com/project/forum/thread.html?cap=bbeb19fa3f8a4f6a91c87b4550461480&forid={37380912-6e5d-42b7-9efc-84886aaa06ee}&topid={0381792F-C294-47C0-84A7-5DAB80B5D1B0}
This site is apparently only available to Beta testers.
4. As for myself, I have a fully functional TRS2006 and TS2010 version (with compatability in 2010 for 2006 content). I have over half a million assets (if CM can count correctly) and dozens of routes. I could create until hell freezes over without ever needing TS12 or TANE or the need to download anything from the DLS. My first class ticket expired in August so N3V is no longer receiving any revenue from me.
5. If I were a content creator I would never put my creations on the DLS. N3V has shown a total lack of resepect or consideration for the dwindling number of remaining freeware content creators without whom N3V will soon be out of business.
My thoughts on the forced Trainz-Build 3.7 rule and its impact on the DLS and Trainz users and creators:
1. We knew it was coming as far back as August, 2014. It was supposed to happen in September with the release of TANE, then it was January with the delayed release of TANE, then May, and then ????. So, when you say there was no warning, you were warned. It is just that we expected to have more time. At least until a functional (non-Beta) release of TANE could be produced. When we woke up on April 25 and realize that the world had suddenly changed we were somewhat shocked and that, I think, is the primary reason for all the push back.
2. Where are the N3V sanctioned/produced TS-12, SP 1 and TANE Content Creation Bibles? The response to most folks who ask for insructions on content creation for Build 3.7 or TANE is that there is an old content creation Wiki out there but it is out of date/obsolete. Why would you impose a new "standard" without fully documenting what that new standard requires? It makes no sense.
3. When using Google to look for content creation information, I found a few Forum threads that had been started and apparently abandoned, most stoping back in December. One provided a link to a Procedural Track (to TANE content creation, I assume, since that was the topic of the thread) at this location:
https://anewera.centercode.com/project/forum/thread.html?cap=bbeb19fa3f8a4f6a91c87b4550461480&forid={37380912-6e5d-42b7-9efc-84886aaa06ee}&topid={0381792F-C294-47C0-84A7-5DAB80B5D1B0}
This site is apparently only available to Beta testers.
4. As for myself, I have a fully functional TRS2006 and TS2010 version (with compatability in 2010 for 2006 content). I have over half a million assets (if CM can count correctly) and dozens of routes. I could create until hell freezes over without ever needing TS12 or TANE or the need to download anything from the DLS. My first class ticket expired in August so N3V is no longer receiving any revenue from me.
5. If I were a content creator I would never put my creations on the DLS. N3V has shown a total lack of resepect or consideration for the dwindling number of remaining freeware content creators without whom N3V will soon be out of business.
I Whole heartedly agree. Content Creators have been getting the shaft for a long time now, and it's finally come to a head. From lack of documentation (Hey, lets make our own Scripting language, then lets not really document it.) to people who will harass a Content creator on his WIP model (Cough Cough Change the trucks Cough cough) and not get warned about it, is it any wonder that the number of creators has nose dived? Add to that the latest issue of cutting off TS12 plain... TRS09 and 10 cutoff was expected as per the life cycle policy, but the other flavors of TS12 was a shot out of the dark with no warning at all.
Hiding your heads in the sand and demanding everyone else to do it is going to net you a shiny new program without a lot of new content because people are just going to quit producing content... and you can't force them to make it either. Once these people are gone, they are gone for good.
Content creators work for themselves, not for the community... we share our efforts with the community because we want to, not because we have to.
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jacksonbarno
Alco Spoken Here
Let me tell you where you're wrong.
1) Lower builds should remain supported as per N3V's posted schedule. It would definitely be sabotaging lower versions if DLS access and support were cut. You are free to use TANE and build 4.1, but have some respect for the many others who don't wish to do so.
2) Yes and no. The release of TANE doesn't have to affect lower versions, but because of the business policy of N3V, they choose to make it an issue.
3) Build numbers have nothing to do with the quality of assets. TANE doesn't look any better than TS12 anyways, so you might have to hold off a bit on your hopes.