shaneturner12
Tutorial Creator
Perhaps they don't want to or are wary of doing so due to the risk of increased piracy. At least with DRM, the company can reduce piracy.
Shane
Shane
Trainz and DRM
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To whom is this addressed? There is little evidence that, with DRM, they can reduce piracy.
In fact, once again, the DRMed "other sim" seems to be much more popular among pirates than Trainz. At a minimum, this suggests that said DRM doesn't work.
shaneturner12
Tutorial Creator
It's in response to your last comment. However, N3V are best placed to tell us exactly why it's in place, but I still have a feeling that illegitimate users are part of the reason.
It may well be though that the other sim is more popular for some reason, although only N3V probably have concrete figures on how many users are using dodgy versions.
Shane
It may well be though that the other sim is more popular for some reason, although only N3V probably have concrete figures on how many users are using dodgy versions.
Shane
amigacooke
Well-known member
Eh. If N3V don't have plans to implement further DRM, then they won't lose sales because of DRM. That seems logical to me.
Eh. If N3V don't have plans to implement further DRM, then they won't lose sales because of DRM. That seems logical to me.
Hmm, I don't know how that can seem logical. They are already losing sales because of the DRM they have implemented, and probably losing sales from some folks concerned about the next step. But, again, I am assuming they are operating logically as well.
Excuse me but how exactly do you know this? a few posts on here from the same few who complain about everything N3V ever does? You have access to N3V books? stick to facts please not fiction.
amigacooke
Well-known member
I assumed that RRSignal is N3V's financial officer. He seems to be so well informed on plans, finances, sales figures, etc.
Umm, well, for one, they've lost my business* - I haven't bought the NKP 765 or the SS4, nor will I buy the next Trainz or any future content until and unless the DRM is removed.
Quite a few other people, some who have posted in this thread, have also sworn off the purchase of DLC, Trainz itself, or both, because of DRM.
So, yeah, I can safely state that N3V has "lost sales" because of DRM.
*P.S. I can't speak for any of the other folks, but I have been accused of being a Trainz/N3V "fanboy". So much for your theory about "the same few who complain about everything N3V ever does"
Perhaps you ought to take your own advice and stick to facts, not fiction.
I assumed that RRSignal is N3V's financial officer. He seems to be so well informed on plans, finances, sales figures, etc.
No, but I own my own business, so I do have to know a bit about business and to make educated guesses about trends, finances, etc. But, hey the world needs mindless sheep, too.
shaneturner12
Tutorial Creator
And what right do you have to effectively demand it's removal? Perhaps there may be a good reason why the DRM was added, perhaps it may be due to the fact that the DLC packs no longer require serial numbers and that the DRM is what manages that system.
I would suggest that you talk to N3V directly about this, as you may be causing yourself and those who support you more problems with this thread than it's worth.
Shane
I would suggest that you talk to N3V directly about this, as you may be causing yourself and those who support you more problems with this thread than it's worth.
Shane
cascaderailroad
New member
I suppose the only reason why DRM is used ... is to prevent piracy, and to prevent re-skinning, and to prevent file sharing of assets ... Not that there's anything wrong with being a a Pirate, some of my best friends are pirates, some times I think I am a closet pirate, and that I should come right out, and announce it publicly to the world: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euuKwER5nW8
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Um, I'm a paying customer, bud. So, yeah, I do have the right to demand it about a product platform, or I'll take my business elsewhere or stick with what I have.
What do YOU think gives YOU the right to tell me I can't state my concerns, especially seeing as I have thousands of dollar and hours of work invested in this product. Who do you think YOU are?
shaneturner12
Tutorial Creator
Even then, that does not give someone the right to demand the removal of something when they don't have the full facts on why it was implemented in the first place. Bear in mind that you already appear to have a reputation for demanding things and taking a dislike to what N3V does.
Shane
EDIT: I don't have a problem with you stating your concerns, but the way you are doing it is what is bothering me and others on this thread.
Shane
EDIT: I don't have a problem with you stating your concerns, but the way you are doing it is what is bothering me and others on this thread.
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amigacooke
Well-known member
Educated guesses. Well I guess you can't argue with educated guesses. Any educated guess could be true I suppose.
shaneturner12
Tutorial Creator
It depends. Sometimes an educated guess is not sufficient, sometimes it is. What I take a strong dislike to is how RRSignal is showing his dislike to DRM, especially when he could have done it privately with N3V.
Shane
Shane
Sure it does, and, BTW, yes, I do have as a many facts as you do...unless you're privy to something the high-ups a N3V have told you. Of course, I've had my own private communications with the folks at N3V, hence my original comment about the reason for the DRM being N3V's concern over imagined losses in "countries where a copy of the game at retail price is 20-50% of a month's wages."
Yes, I am aware of piracy and the extent of it - probably far more so than you are, but I'm willing to compare notes privately to test that assertion. I can also post at least some evidence as to how limited it is too, at least with respect to Trainz.
As for reputation, hmm, frankly, I couldn't care less. My money is as good as anyone else's. But it's funny how some have called me a "fanboy" of N3V and now suddenly I'm the opposite.
I realize you dislike what is being said and are highly offended that some people dare to level criticism at N3V, but I suggest you (and perhaps paulhobbs and Amigacooke) re-read the original post: This thread was started becuase TONY HILLIAM REQUESTED THESE CONCERNS BE OUTLINED IN ANOTHER THREAD, in the Tane thread, post #92.
amigacooke
Well-known member
Indeed, but it's no better than anybody else's either.
amigacooke
Well-known member
I don't have a problem with the thread, but I don't entirely agree with the conclusions (or guesses) drawn from the same available facts.
shaneturner12
Tutorial Creator
I am working with the same data as everyone else has, but I can still see why N3V implemented it in the first place, but obviously only N3V can confirm that at the moment, and speculation is not going to get anyone anywhere.
I still have a feeling that piracy is part of it though, but like I said before it's likely that most users who do so don't use these forums so we may never know the exact amount involved.
I have read on some of these threads previously that piracy does seem to happen in areas where the game price is a months or two months worth of wages, which I don't think is N3V's fault, as it's an exchange rate thing.
As I've said above though, the DRM may be a necessary evil in order to simplify the purchasing and installing process of DLC content and not require registration of the DLC in the Trainz Options box or even on Planet Auran. N3V have got to keep track of what's installed where, and this seems to be their method.
I will make it clear that I'm neutral when it comes to DRM. Sometimes it can cause a lot of problems, sometimes it's unobtrusive. In the case of Trainz, I'd say it's nearer unobtrusive.
Shane
I still have a feeling that piracy is part of it though, but like I said before it's likely that most users who do so don't use these forums so we may never know the exact amount involved.
I have read on some of these threads previously that piracy does seem to happen in areas where the game price is a months or two months worth of wages, which I don't think is N3V's fault, as it's an exchange rate thing.
As I've said above though, the DRM may be a necessary evil in order to simplify the purchasing and installing process of DLC content and not require registration of the DLC in the Trainz Options box or even on Planet Auran. N3V have got to keep track of what's installed where, and this seems to be their method.
I will make it clear that I'm neutral when it comes to DRM. Sometimes it can cause a lot of problems, sometimes it's unobtrusive. In the case of Trainz, I'd say it's nearer unobtrusive.
Shane