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Trainz 2022 performance is still so bad
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AdvancedApproach
Well-known member
I didn't see an acceptable apology that was up to MY standards. You failed to apologize directly at him PUBLICLY. To be honest, you did dismiss his critiques. Frankly, your intent doesn't matter, it's the fact that you which did disregard his complaints. Intent only matters to the defendant, or accused in this situation, which is you. You didn't use the magic words I'm sorry or apologize to him directly. Just because someone else did it doesn't mean you can or should do it either. So, if you see your friends jump off a bridge, then you're going to follow suit? I'm talking about other users making disparaging remarks. Lastly, it's not your place to chastise or admonish users for criticisms of the game or their programmers you consider to be overboard. Let the moderators do it, that's their job and not yours.
So we all have to comply with YOUR standards ?
You do not appear to realize that are being as bad as the person you are criticizing, acting like a bombazine attired Victorian schoolmarm . You stated hotly that " it's not your place to chastise or admonish users " , its not YOUR place either as all you are achieving is a pointless opening of an old wound .
It might well be time for the moderators to remove some posts to calm things down.
kadanstcyr
Member
well to be totally fair i didn't get no such apology, not even a simple sorry. so its totally understandable for someone here on this forum to see the comment that was made towards me and think to them self of why i didn't get even a simple sorry. not that it matters to me personally but seeing stuff like that might not necessarily scare users from making discussions about bugs that are happening in Trainz, but might not make them wanna post something similar to my post if there might be a chance of them being called "OP is just a crank. or "Why not go try some other program?". I just wanna say again that when i made a post about some weird and suspicious bugs going on with Ai trainz the first response i got on that post was "No problem here" when truly there was a nasty bug affecting the ai trains and their commands which got patched and now is working very good.So we all have to comply with YOUR standards ?
You do not appear to realize that are being as bad as the person you are criticizing, acting like a bombazine attired Victorian schoolmarm . You stated hotly that " it's not your place to chastise or admonish users " , its not YOUR place either as all you are achieving is a pointless opening of an old wound .
It might well be time for the moderators to remove some posts to calm things down.
AdvancedApproach
Well-known member
I'm not the one calling someone a crank just because they disagree with the critiquing of this game and its programmers so that makes me better than him. Not to mention he failed to make an apology as stated by the victim here. So, to be honest, yes MY standard should be complied with as it will ensure EVERYONE will feel welcomed. You're the one acting like a bombazine attired Victorian Schoolmarm. I call it accountability, even when it means reopening old wounds because they never healed.So we all have to comply with YOUR standards ?
You do not appear to realize that are being as bad as the person you are criticizing, acting like a bombazine attired Victorian schoolmarm . You stated hotly that " it's not your place to chastise or admonish users " , its not YOUR place either as all you are achieving is a pointless opening of an old wound .
It might well be time for the moderators to remove some posts to calm things down.
I fail to see how I'm acting like a schoolmarm ,all I'm saying is its better to cool things down and not issue edicts, that is the job of the moderators. and you admitted it in your post, so why dig your heels in ? The tone you adopted was really just as innapropriate as the post you were complaining about
If you REALLY feel the need to police the forum you could do this far more politely ,try to defuse the situation , report the offense, or not do it at all ,leave it to those who orginally had the spat.
You really don't seem to get it . ITS NOT YOUR ROLE to police others months or years after the event. its water under the bridge. You stirred this thread up needlessly. As I said before , its probably time to remove posts or to close this thread as you do not appear in the frame of mind to cool down and let sleeping dogs lie. .
AdvancedApproach
Well-known member
You don't seem to get it. The fact that he sided with N3V is what grinds my gears. I've been a harsh critic of N3V for my own reasons, but he wouldn't dare call me a crank or accuse me of bitching and neither would you or anyone else for that matter. My tone was nowhere near as bad. I wasn't the one referring to someone as a crank because they criticized the game and rightfully so. We should be sticking together and not taking sides with N3V. It's supposed to be us versus them. Yes, I'm advocating for tribal mentality. If you want to disagree with someone who's criticizing the product fine, but don't resort to name calling or siding with them. That's an unwritten rule which hasn't been enforced. Take this as you wish and I'll leave it at that. I'm done with this issue as my point has been made.
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davies_mike57
Train Simulator Hobbyist
With computers and software there are updates and improvements going on all the time.
One buys a PC computer or laptop and 5 years later out of date.
On my computer one noticed that when updating video drivers and any software (auto updates) there is a bit of display stuttering as John C stated. It takes a while for any computer updates to settle, and before playing any games let the PC or laptop do it's routine maintenance in the background.
After a lot of updates wise to perform a windows defrag for optimum usage.
One buys a PC computer or laptop and 5 years later out of date.
On my computer one noticed that when updating video drivers and any software (auto updates) there is a bit of display stuttering as John C stated. It takes a while for any computer updates to settle, and before playing any games let the PC or laptop do it's routine maintenance in the background.
After a lot of updates wise to perform a windows defrag for optimum usage.
johnwhelan
Well-known member
Most machines these days boot on an SSD, defragging an SSD only shortens it's life and has no benefit. Even with hard drives running NTFS defragging isn't that useful. When we ran DOS yes but newer file systems and drives don't need it.
Cheerio John
This is a reminder that these forums are a place to allow discussions. This includes people saying things you may disagree with; this is fully permitted on the forums so long as it is done politely and within the code of conduct and rules.
Telling people they aren't allowed to disagree with you is inappropriate, as is backseat moderating the forums.
Telling people they aren't allowed to disagree with you is inappropriate, as is backseat moderating the forums.
skittlekicks
Active member
100% correct John. Back when mechanical hard drives (HDDs) were the norm the occasional defrag was necessary. It's more to do with the the File Allocation Table (FAT32 or 16) in that uninstalling, reinstalling, opening and closing programs/files tended to end up like a nasty unorganized file cabinet. Defragging reorganized everything. NTFS is more forgiving, but not perfect with mild fragmentaion still problematic.
SSDs do NOT use platters they are made of cells. Again you're 100% correct stating that it will shorten the life of the SSD. I've seen the defrag topic in much of the advice given, but no one mentioned that it can wreck SSDs faster over time. This same thing applies to ALL thumb drives and M.2 drives. Never defrag those!!!
Yes, defragmenting an SSD will reduce its life substantially. I witnessed this on a machine that a user insisted he had to do it with a wear down that occurred really quickly too compared to other systems where the TRIM utility was run monthly. Third-party utilities aren't necessary now anyway because the built-in Windows defrag utility will only TRIM SSDs and will not defragment them. This isn't the case, however, with third-party utilities.
I defrag my platter drives frequently. I noticed that TRS-Plus beats up the drives and becomes slower and slower over time. The program is constantly writing and reading from the drives to a point where they are chattering away after a few hours of using Trainz. Defragmenting the drives and the performance is back up there again. This is in addition to a required reboot because the memory management has a lot to be desired.
Because of this constant writing, I'm concerned about the longevity of SSDs when using Trainz. This is what wears down SSDs due to the higher voltage used during the write-cycle. We have to remember that an SSD is only an EEROM except with faster technology and better buffering. EEROMs are written to at a much higher voltage to change the state of the cells. Eventually, this will degrade the device causing it to fail. Today's SSDs are much faster and are a bit more resilient, but being constantly beaten up by constant writing will still shorten the life very quickly.
TrainstreamWorld
New member
"It is unacceptable. The fact that you did not witness it does not give you the right to resurrect past actions that have already been addressed and resolved."
AdvancedApproach
Well-known member
Actually it does and the issue never got resolved as was stated earlier.
Perhaps that means you people ought to do a better job of moderating then. Make sure he gets or at least got an infraction for his conduct too. I would've been disciplined for using such language like he did.
skittlekicks
Active member
I have to wonder how brutal Trainz is on SSDs? With older assets, PBR/HD textures, and or assets with very high poly counts? On my newest route I am using less trees (the new PF versions) because that seems to tank performace, and probably beats up my SSDs. Funny enough Railroader is butter smooth on my potato squirrel cage computer.
Trainz is the only game/program that really beats up my hard disks, and this is why I am very reluctant to put it on an SSD. They are way too expensive for the size and quality that I need, and I don't want to throw money into the wind for nothing.
The overall performance has been poor since this version has come out and not all of it is due to the new trees. They've done something different with how the content is loaded.
johnwhelan
Well-known member
Is it just reads or reads and writes? Reads I'd expect writes are more serious.
Thanks John
There are a lot of writes including to the page file. You can see this if you run Process Explorer. Select TRS22.exe, double-click and click on Performance.
I just started TRS22-Plus to do some work on my route. Surveyor has spinning circles on content menus and when I checked Task Manager, disk utilization is at 100%. Upon checking the Client Logs (Show logs), I'm seeing content validation and yesterday's editing went without a hitch. Nothing changed from last night when I last edited my route making editing impossible until this completes.
TrainstreamWorld
New member
Well, that explain it my bad AdvancedApproach.
skittlekicks
Active member
On Linux for me Trainz actually performs better. Windows biggest problem has been excessive bloat which has been an issue since Windows 1.0.
We should also consider that hardly anyone uses ECC RAM, and we all should be. You can pump a ton of RAM into your computer but it will always fail, because it can't self repair. Linus Torvalds recently mentioned this at PC Gamer recently. Why this matters is performance isn't one thing it's multiple.
Do we need 10K computers just to play trains at low settings? Maybe N3Vs choice of game engine when it was changed in T:ANE was a bad one. Unity might have been better, just look at Railroader and Derail Valley. Far and away better performing games with a tiny dev team.
I don't think any of us will ever get the answers that make sense. Trainz is virtual model railroading. If it does one thing right it's that.
We expect far too much in a game that isn't high bar. None of the HD or PBR textures should have been added until the game itself was not killing drives or GPUs.
20 years ago I graduated from college with a degree in Network Admin. All that has changed is our demands and unrealistic ones at that.