Is the DVD version available for sale this month the US or Australian version? Is there a US version available? If I order it now, will it ship to me before the end of December if I live in PA, US? Also, will 2004 routes work in 2009 and how do you import downloaded content over so the route has all the content in 2009? Are all the built-in assets from 2004 and 2006 included? So, I wouldn't need to buy 2006 in order to download and run a 2006 route? I use 2004 now.
Trainz 2009 US edition?
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When I bought TRS 2004 in late 2003, it was a US version distributed by Oteeva see this link http://www.gamezone.com/news/08_05_03_03_57PM.htm I want to know if I order 2009 through Auran now, the DVD version, is it going to be an Australian version like the box cover shows, or is there a North American version going to be available like 2004? I guess it wouldn't matter much if I got an AU version. Or, is it a worldwide version now?
Tony_Hilliam
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There is one international edition of TS2009 WBE.
It can be ordered through the Auran Store and it will begin shipping from the USA in the next few days.
The cover shows an Australian station and a Union Pacific SD40 (and a European sky in the background
It can be ordered through the Auran Store and it will begin shipping from the USA in the next few days.
The cover shows an Australian station and a Union Pacific SD40 (and a European sky in the background
Baelthazar
New member
I'm a tad confused...
I'll piggy back my stupid question into this thread.
I am completely new to Trainz, wanted to get 2004 or 2006 but I waited to see what happened. Now I see they have two editions of TS2009, the World Builder and the Engineer. My question is, what exactly is the difference here? I surmised from reading that Engineer will release after people build some new content and will include all the newly built content of 2009WBE. Is that accurate?
However, if I buy WBE, then I should have tons of routes to use if I want to drive some trains immediately, right? It includes all sorts of user created routes from 2004 and 2006, as well as the official content for both? I want to be able to drive some Trains, and I figure it will take me some time to learn the builder, so I want to have some game to play while learning. WBE will work for me, right (the price point is pretty low, so that may be what concerns me)?
Also, wouldn't the major difference between WBE and EE just be that I would have to physically do the work to pick and choose new content to download with the WBE, wheras it is already on the EE? I'm a big boy and can spend time DL'ing stuff, so I don't mind.
Also, I am primarily interesting in building and running passenger trains (as I lived in NYC recently, I got kinda hooked on the idea of mass transit trains). Is this available?
Bael
I'll piggy back my stupid question into this thread.
I am completely new to Trainz, wanted to get 2004 or 2006 but I waited to see what happened. Now I see they have two editions of TS2009, the World Builder and the Engineer. My question is, what exactly is the difference here? I surmised from reading that Engineer will release after people build some new content and will include all the newly built content of 2009WBE. Is that accurate?
However, if I buy WBE, then I should have tons of routes to use if I want to drive some trains immediately, right? It includes all sorts of user created routes from 2004 and 2006, as well as the official content for both? I want to be able to drive some Trains, and I figure it will take me some time to learn the builder, so I want to have some game to play while learning. WBE will work for me, right (the price point is pretty low, so that may be what concerns me)?
Also, wouldn't the major difference between WBE and EE just be that I would have to physically do the work to pick and choose new content to download with the WBE, wheras it is already on the EE? I'm a big boy and can spend time DL'ing stuff, so I don't mind.
Also, I am primarily interesting in building and running passenger trains (as I lived in NYC recently, I got kinda hooked on the idea of mass transit trains). Is this available?
Bael
WBE as it says is a builder edition. You can build your own routes or modify for your own use somebody elses route.
EE is an engineer edition. What you get is what you can use. You cannot modify or build a route. Now you do get some newer stuff to use that isn't available to WBE.
Your pick.
Mehave bought WBE and EE will be bought as an expansion pack.
EE is an engineer edition. What you get is what you can use. You cannot modify or build a route. Now you do get some newer stuff to use that isn't available to WBE.
Your pick.
Mehave bought WBE and EE will be bought as an expansion pack.
Alan_Yeomans
New member
I'll piggy back my stupid question into this thread.
I am completely new to Trainz, wanted to get 2004 or 2006 but I waited to see what happened. Now I see they have two editions of TS2009, the World Builder and the Engineer. My question is, what exactly is the difference here? I surmised from reading that Engineer will release after people build some new content and will include all the newly built content of 2009WBE. Is that accurate?
However, if I buy WBE, then I should have tons of routes to use if I want to drive some trains immediately, right? It includes all sorts of user created routes from 2004 and 2006, as well as the official content for both? I want to be able to drive some Trains, and I figure it will take me some time to learn the builder, so I want to have some game to play while learning. WBE will work for me, right (the price point is pretty low, so that may be what concerns me)?
Also, wouldn't the major difference between WBE and EE just be that I would have to physically do the work to pick and choose new content to download with the WBE, wheras it is already on the EE? I'm a big boy and can spend time DL'ing stuff, so I don't mind.
Also, I am primarily interesting in building and running passenger trains (as I lived in NYC recently, I got kinda hooked on the idea of mass transit trains). Is this available?
Bael
Hi Christopher.
You can read all about the differences here:
http://www.ts2009.com/
TS2009 WBE does have all the layouts from TRS2006 plus some from other versions of TRS and it really does have a lot of content. Since the release date of EE is still very much unknown, im sure you would be eager to jump in and start driving Trainz and WBE certainly does offer a lot in that dept.
Yes, WBE will have some newer and different content, but the many 1,000's of users who have bought WBE will be in the same boat as us and i suspect some of that content may be available seperately, either via DLS or some other method, though thats just my guess.
If I were you i'd jump in and get WBE, to start driving and learning straight away, but Im not you and you seem fairly smart, so I'll let you decide.
Welcome to the community.
Enjoy the ride.
Alan
Baelthazar
New member
Well, that was what I needed to know, is if you can jump right in and drive some trains with the WBE (I didn't want to only have the builder utility, and get stuck with nothing to drive while I learned the editor). I played with the 2004 and 2006 editor a few months ago, and really liked what I saw and it seemed pretty intuitive.
I play all sorts of games, from RPGs, FPS, RTS, to Tycoon sims. It would be nice to have something a little more relaxed, something I can create my own world at my own leisure, not feel like I have a set goal, not too much reliant on twitch gameplay. I love trains, and I really enjoyed my time with games like Railroad Tycoon, where I could watch the trains go over the scenery. I really liked the detail in the 2004 demo, where you could watch the coal go into the container, see how it filled up, and carry it to the next stop.
Wow, not sure why I waxed philosophical there! Glad to be onboard here, the community seems to be really pleasant and very active!
Bael/Chris
I play all sorts of games, from RPGs, FPS, RTS, to Tycoon sims. It would be nice to have something a little more relaxed, something I can create my own world at my own leisure, not feel like I have a set goal, not too much reliant on twitch gameplay. I love trains, and I really enjoyed my time with games like Railroad Tycoon, where I could watch the trains go over the scenery. I really liked the detail in the 2004 demo, where you could watch the coal go into the container, see how it filled up, and carry it to the next stop.
Wow, not sure why I waxed philosophical there! Glad to be onboard here, the community seems to be really pleasant and very active!
Bael/Chris
Baelthazar
New member
Quick other question, is the digital DL service here pretty good? Any reason I should not pick it up here and get it from Gamersgate instead?
Hi Chris,
Welcome to Trainz. Although I've never used their download services, I have heard that it is pretty fast. The others here can tell you the details on this.
Trainz is awesome and totally addicting. You'll find yourself immersed in your own world for hours if not whole days as the rest of your life comes to a stand still. As you build and explore the many functions, don't be afraid to ask questions.
John
I am finding it hard to understand the point of the EE version of trainz?Hi Christopher.
You can read all about the differences here:
http://www.ts2009.com/
TS2009 WBE does have all the layouts from TRS2006 plus some from other versions of TRS and it really does have a lot of content. Since the release date of EE is still very much unknown, im sure you would be eager to jump in and start driving Trainz and WBE certainly does offer a lot in that dept.
Yes, WBE will have some newer and different content, but the many 1,000's of users who have bought WBE will be in the same boat as us and i suspect some of that content may be available seperately, either via DLS or some other method, though thats just my guess.
If I were you i'd jump in and get WBE, to start driving and learning straight away, but Im not you and you seem fairly smart, so I'll let you decide.
Welcome to the community.
Enjoy the ride.
Alan
It sounds like Trainz with all the good bitts cut out!
I read the bumff which said :-......................(Engineers Edition is the version that will deliver much of the upgraded content and new, never before released routes. We are working with the content creators at TrainzDev.com to ensure that we get some great new locos, track, scenery, routes and sessions. )
Dose this meen that a lot of new uploaded content will be taken off the download station and put in to EE insted or will it be of Auran's own creation?
I fear that we may be getting rippt-off, by corporate bosses that are just out to make a fast buck!
narrowgauge
92 year oldTrainz veteran
j_maybury
Auran's strategy seems perfectly logical to me.
Work backwards. EE will provide routes and content that will work with all the new goodies in 2009. OK?
Where will the new content come from? From the content creators who are an integral part of the Trainz scene. To make the new content they need the new program but that is not in EE so that won't work. Chicken and egg problem.
So they make WBE containing the new program but cannot contain new content 'cos it has not been made yet. so what you get is old content to experience the new program and modify where needed, at a price that will break nobody's bank..
Now back to EE, this has been described as being for people who want to drive so why include Surveyor, that has already been provided in WBE, so they can sell EE at the same low price as WBE. If you want to make routes and drive, buy both, they are designed to work together.
Nothing says you have to have EE, you can make your own content, wait until 2009 content becomes available on the DLS, or just muddle along on TS2009 with content from previous versions.
About your last comment. Content provided with a Trainz edition does not come from the DLS, it is made specifically for that edition and will not be uploaded to the DLS.
Where is the cheating. I have bought every version of Trainz since it came onto the market in 2001, I paid over $AU90 for TRS2006 that makes TS2009 at $AU60 for both editions bloody good value.
Finally, content made to the new TS2009 standards is more complex and it will be a long time before the DLS has a worthwhile amount of TS2009 content, either new or updated.
You may sense a some irritation, silly posts like yours get my goat.
Cheers
Narrowgauge
Auran's strategy seems perfectly logical to me.
Work backwards. EE will provide routes and content that will work with all the new goodies in 2009. OK?
Where will the new content come from? From the content creators who are an integral part of the Trainz scene. To make the new content they need the new program but that is not in EE so that won't work. Chicken and egg problem.
So they make WBE containing the new program but cannot contain new content 'cos it has not been made yet. so what you get is old content to experience the new program and modify where needed, at a price that will break nobody's bank..
Now back to EE, this has been described as being for people who want to drive so why include Surveyor, that has already been provided in WBE, so they can sell EE at the same low price as WBE. If you want to make routes and drive, buy both, they are designed to work together.
Nothing says you have to have EE, you can make your own content, wait until 2009 content becomes available on the DLS, or just muddle along on TS2009 with content from previous versions.
About your last comment. Content provided with a Trainz edition does not come from the DLS, it is made specifically for that edition and will not be uploaded to the DLS.
Where is the cheating. I have bought every version of Trainz since it came onto the market in 2001, I paid over $AU90 for TRS2006 that makes TS2009 at $AU60 for both editions bloody good value.
Finally, content made to the new TS2009 standards is more complex and it will be a long time before the DLS has a worthwhile amount of TS2009 content, either new or updated.
You may sense a some irritation, silly posts like yours get my goat.
Cheers
Narrowgauge
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Well done NarrowGauge. Rip-off, rip-off indeed! Where are all these people coming from? Crikey, Trainz is possibly the cheapest value-packed software around and educational to boot. My copy of TRS 2006 (AU39 - $US 30) came with 5 (yes five) CD's in a special case and a manual, all professionally printed and presented. Included in that price was the retailer's profit margin of around AU $10-15. Sitting next to Trainz, was FS at almost $90 and the box felt empty. MSTS was also there for almost $80 along with a couple of simple expansion packs at $30 each. Even if everything in EE ends up on the DLS, consider the costs of your First Class Ticket, bandwith and running your computer before you call that stuff "Free". It all makes the Trainz duo look like fantastic value for money to me.
In response to Baelthazar's concern about the price break, Auran decided many years ago to halve the cost of Trainz, possibly to put it in reach of more people with the view of opening up a wider market. They didn't remove half the content or half the service. Trainz is one of those truely "value for money" programs that do exist, but are so hard to find. Two others that come to mind are WYSIWYG Web Builder (brilliant at under $40) and PG Music's PowerTrax Pro (also amazing at $40+). The gem's are out there and Trainz is one of them.
In response to Baelthazar's concern about the price break, Auran decided many years ago to halve the cost of Trainz, possibly to put it in reach of more people with the view of opening up a wider market. They didn't remove half the content or half the service. Trainz is one of those truely "value for money" programs that do exist, but are so hard to find. Two others that come to mind are WYSIWYG Web Builder (brilliant at under $40) and PG Music's PowerTrax Pro (also amazing at $40+). The gem's are out there and Trainz is one of them.
You may sense a some irritation, silly posts like yours get my goat.
Cheers
Narrowgauge[/quote]
Im sorry you fell that way!
But my point is that auran,s content in the past has not been that good has it?
Mainley re-hashes of the same old tierd routs, and let's face it Classic 1&2 was totaly rubbish, with the only saveure being Classic 3!
What I am saying is that EE better be good or they will find a lot of unsold stock on there hands.
Cheers
Narrowgauge[/quote]
Im sorry you fell that way!
But my point is that auran,s content in the past has not been that good has it?
Mainley re-hashes of the same old tierd routs, and let's face it Classic 1&2 was totaly rubbish, with the only saveure being Classic 3!
What I am saying is that EE better be good or they will find a lot of unsold stock on there hands.
narrowgauge
92 year oldTrainz veteran
j_maybury
I have no argument with this, especially the comment about TC1 and TC2. I don't think that TRS2006 had any new content made by Auran, all the new stuff was third party. I believe that what you get with EE will be all new non-DLS third party, and it seems from various comments that they are not making content, instead they are concentrating on the code.
Cheers
Peter
I have no argument with this, especially the comment about TC1 and TC2. I don't think that TRS2006 had any new content made by Auran, all the new stuff was third party. I believe that what you get with EE will be all new non-DLS third party, and it seems from various comments that they are not making content, instead they are concentrating on the code.
Cheers
Peter
Have to disagree, the quality of content may not have improved but from a perspective looking at the amount of time had and how it was used, I prefer the method chosen, use the time available to try to make the best upgrades possible to how the program functions over content improvement. There has been plenty of content made available, some creators make more and others try to take interest over time.
Classics is a whole different thing, largely because they were designed with the focus on certain real routes/areas. I prefer Harlem Line and not TC3, sure the second had upgrades but most were not ones I was interested in and I just don't use British content. I do think the overall idea was decent but focusing on one real area would dillute interest and thus sales. Won't go further since this is a TS2009 topic and I posted expanded views on Classics somewhere else in this forum.
Classics is a whole different thing, largely because they were designed with the focus on certain real routes/areas. I prefer Harlem Line and not TC3, sure the second had upgrades but most were not ones I was interested in and I just don't use British content. I do think the overall idea was decent but focusing on one real area would dillute interest and thus sales. Won't go further since this is a TS2009 topic and I posted expanded views on Classics somewhere else in this forum.
