Trainz 2009 FUBAR

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TickyTacky

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I think that Trainz 2009 has not lived up to what it had said it would have.The beta was good, and there was more content on it than the game, just some things on the beta would not work.So i think that the beta version should be used as the real thing or its just useless. If something does not happen soon, I might as well play Rail Simulator or Densha De Go(Japanese Console Train Game) and never endorse Trainz at all.








Yours in disrepute,
Ticky Tacky.:n:
 
Wait a minute there, TickyTacky, that's not entirely fair. I tried '06 and found tons of troubles with it so upgraded to TRS'04 and have found a wonderful trouble free train game there.
With the use of TrainZOjectZ, '04 is a great Trainz experience.;)

Don't abandon Trainz, play a version that works, trouble free for you.

Rick
 
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TickyTacky said:
I think that Trainz 2009 has not lived up to what it had said it would have.The beta was good, and there was more content on it than the game,...

Yours in disrepute,
Ticky Tacky.:n:
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Not so fast. You're saying that your Beta version contained more objects than the Gold release?:eek: Which beta was that? And your Beta worked better too. Again which Beta was that? I tested all the Betas and saw an improvement with each iteration with the final release version even better.

As for new content, as has been mentioned many times in many places, TS2009 WBE does not contain many new objects. That is not its mission. It is a platform to make routes, create content and showcase the new support code that makes for a smoother in-game experience.

New content is still only scheduled to appear in TEE, in 2009 Q1. The free search function of these forums will find the references.
 
Oh my....

martinvk said:
Not so fast. You're saying that your Beta version contained more objects than the Gold release?:eek: Which beta was that? And your Beta worked better too. Again which Beta was that? I tested all the Betas and saw an improvement with each iteration with the final release version even better.

As for new content, as has been mentioned many times in many places, TS2009 WBE does not contain many new objects. That is not its mission. It is a platform to make routes, create content and showcase the new support code that makes for a smoother in-game experience.

New content is still only scheduled to appear in TEE, in 2009 Q1. The free search function of these forums will find the references.
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Gosh martinvk, are you really expecting these critics to READ and SEARCH?

These functions may be beyond the scope of their capabilities.:D

Have fun,
 
Hi,

Well, in all fairness, I had a better time with Beta2 then with their release version in the form that the release version is more stuttering and slower to load then the Beta ever was.
But, that is on my computer, and my experience, and as long as I know this program is a work in progress, I don't yell to loud outside of my place of living. :)

Beside, what I experience of problems with TS2009 WBE, seems to be quite related to some of the trouble I had back in first version of TRS2004 after I moved up from UTC.
A SP or two later they went away, and after four SP's I had a very nice running program.

Being that TS2009 in a way is like TRS2004 was to UTC, I don't mind to much the irritating stuff, as I know Auran work on improving this program the best they can - like I remember they used to long time ago.
After all, when they manage to tweak a 5m grid out of this old game engine when we before was always told it was impossible/not feasible (not sure which word suits, remember, I'm not a native English speaking person ;)) I understand how some old problems might sneak in again - like the spline troubles.

Overall, I wouldn't call this version FUBAR at all, but more a Fun Underways But Always Rejuvenating... ;)

At least in my simple English that is sort of what I look at Trainz as.

Thanks for letting me get a chance to type up a little of my own opinion too.

Best wishes always

Linda
 
I have seen a few other posts from users who state the same TS2009 experience as Linda, that Beta2 worked better than the final release. Could be a lot of reasons for it to happen.
 
StorkNest said:
I have seen a few other posts from users who state the same TS2009 experience as Linda, that Beta2 worked better than the final release. Could be a lot of reasons for it to happen.
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I wonder if it could be that we now have more content in there? As well, any final code tweaking could also be a cause.

Personally, I have found each next dev, beta and then the final release to be faster and smoother than the preceding version. But then ymmv since we all have at least slightly different computers.
 
I'm not sure what the problems are, but I've been running 2006 without a glitch for years and now 2009 beats that. Great Job Trainz Team :)
 
What's all the Hype

I do not see what all the hype is about TS2009. I have every Trainz version right up to TC3. A friend of mine has acquired TS2009 so I asked to borrow it to see whats so good about it. So after playing with it for about 10 hrs I found it to be the same old Trainz in a new Box with a new name. Ok you say that the graphics will be better once the content creators start making new content. I can see a new piece of track that looks pretty good, big deal, I have at least a dozen or so tracks that look as good if not better than that in TRS2004/TRS2006. Also I have buildings and trees that look better than the one example of tree they have included. So what Auran is saying to content creators, don't worry about polys and dont worry about size as long as it looks good. I also have created content for Trainz and always made sure to keep the polys low and still made it look good. I could make them look 100% better if I cranked up the polys, upped the TGA files size which would increase the size of the file. I redid one of my buildings, started at 2meg 800polys, ended up 8megs 5000polys. Oh yes it looked 100% better but at what cost? As I see it WBE is good if you have never had any other Trainz and dont know any better, but for someone that has them all it is still the same old stuff in a new box. I see nothing has changed, the cars are still floating above the Roads ( not like KRS where the cars are actually driving on the roads). So I am glad I never purchased TS2009 just simply borrowed it. It is now deleted from my computer and gone back to my friend. For now I will stay with KRS and if Auran ever decide to make a NEW TRAINZ SIMULATOR ( new graphics engine and not Jet ) I might just come back to trainz). My 2 cents worth.
 
Modeler said:
I do not see what all the hype is about TS2009. ... My 2 cents worth.
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Ah, IF you would only read and understand the description of WBE, it would all be clear. The majority of the improvements are under the hood and unless you know how to look there, you'll never see them but you'll still experience the improvements.

As for all the laments about old content being included, that's what was supposed to be there so users would have something to play with while waiting for content creators to make new stuff. It's only now that WBE is available that these content creators can learn about the new capabilities and how to best use them in their new creations.

I seem to recall a lot of angry posts when the TC series shipped with a limited number of built-in content. Now you get more and there are still complaints.

Floating carz? Well, carz don't float over my roads but that's because I designed them that way. One of the great strengths of Trainz is that it is so easy to create content for it. Unfortunately, that is also one of its great weaknesses. There is no central design control to ensure quality so you can get everything from masterpieces to crappypieces and everything in between. Personally, I would rather have the freedom to create than be limited and dictated to.
 
Not much new under the sun.

Firstly, can I say yes, the improvements 'under the hood' are welcomed but on the other hand, I ran TRS2006 ran on 512mb RAM & TRS2009 is on 2gb so I'd expect it to be substantially better!

There really isn't enough 'new' to justify the purchase. As a world builder I still have the same issues as I had with 2006, namely, so much content that is named with nothing but a code number. Surely of all the things the Trainz team should have looked at for the new version is the content named in such a way that you don't have to play with a notepad at your side to write down the code of buildings that you like!

I'll enjoy TRS2009 but it really is nothing more than an evolution & I think that if people have shelled out for Trainz Classics volumes one & two (which were, sad to say, no more than foisting out test versions onto the paying public) they are more than justified to say that TRS2009 is too much of the same & not enough new!
 
AnthonyGlamour said:
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There really isn't enough 'new' to justify the purchase. As a world builder I still have the same issues as I had with 2006, namely, so much content that is named with nothing but a code number. Surely of all the things the Trainz team should have looked at for the new version is the content named in such a way that you don't have to play with a notepad at your side to write down the code of buildings that you like!
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What part of this page don't you understand. No one promised lots of new content in WBE.

I don't understand this issue. When you do get content, you don't like the names of the objects?:o That has nothing to do with the Trainz team at Auran. Blame the creators like me. I name my objects as I please. I think that most if not all creators do the same. I could say that if you don't like my naming convention, to bad but I won't say that. Instead, I will say that unlike some other games, in Trainz you can change them to your heart's desire. :wave: So rename them to what you like and then you won't have to keep a notepad by your side. :)
 
Apparently, some people are just never happy. They get something and yet they still want more. The rest of us just deal with the quirks of Trainz and then use the SEARCH function and READ to get answers.
 
TickyTacky said:
I think that Trainz 2009 has not lived up to what it had said it would have.The beta was good, and there was more content on it than the game, just some things on the beta would not work.So i think that the beta version should be used as the real thing or its just useless.
Yours in disrepute,
Ticky Tacky.:n:
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I had to stifle a few giggles when I read this, this young person obviously doesn't know what a BETA is, and does he think that TRS2009 and the BETA are different versions altogether.

And, as I haven't purchased TRS2009 personally at the moment, has it got more content on it than the BETA version we all bug-tested for Auran ??? Can someone confirm or deny please......

Ta muchly.

Cheerz. ex-railwayman.
 
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ex-railwayman said:
I had to stifle a few giggles when I read this, this young person obviously doesn't know what a BETA is, and does he think that TRS2009 and the BETA are different versions altogether.

And, as I haven't purchased TRS2009 personally at the moment, has it got more content on it than the BETA version we all bug-tested for Auran ??? Can someone confirm or deny please......

Ta muchly.

Cheerz. ex-railwayman.
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To be more specific,
WBE has little content at TS2009 standards.
WBE has more content overall than any before it.
EE is supposed to have more content up to TS2009 standards, not sure if it will have the exact same content as WBE.
 
martinvk said:
What part of this page don't you understand. No one promised lots of new content in WBE.
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What part of peoples complaints are you so hostile about? Regardless of what the website promised or didn't, this is a new edition of the game. When a new edition comes out (and not just with Trainz but any game series) it's implied that it will contain SOMETHING new. I recently purchased FIFA Manager 09 for the PC: if it had been exactly the same as FIFA Manager 08 only with a different skin, I could justifiably claim to have been ripped off couldn't I? I'm not saying I've been ripped off by Auran by the way, although I am tempted to re-install TRS2006 now I have more RAM just to see whether it's the new engine that is better or just that I have more RAM!

PS: Does anyone know if the new content that is being created for the engineers edition will be available on download station? A new industry enabled airport would be nice.
 
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AnthonyGlamour said:
Regardless of what the website promised or didn't, this is a new edition of the game. When a new edition comes out (and not just with Trainz but any game series) it's implied that it will contain SOMETHING new.
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Not if it doesn't say it does.
They said it would contain little new content, therefore it's going to contain little new content, you cannot expect otherwise.
Just because you can't see the change doesnt mean it's not there.

And yes, it does run better than 06, I was running 06 on a better computer than this one and it was slower.

Dan
 
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