Tobacco advertising and images

So tell us your view of tobacco billboards and wagons on the DLS.

  • Don't care. I'm happy to sit on the fence.

    Votes: 27 13.4%

  • Definately not. All tobacco images should be immedialtely removed from the DLS

    Votes: 16 7.9%

  • Absolutely. I am the best censor for me. Leave tobacco images and continue to permit new ones.

    Votes: 142 70.3%

  • Leave the exisitng ones, so maps work, but do not let any new assets with tobacco images on the DLS.

    Votes: 17 8.4%
  • Total voters
    202
  • Poll closed .
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simply put. it's a fact of life. deal with it. it's really not that big of a deal. but everyone turns it into this big catastrophe whenever a pic of a beer company or cigarette is put up on somthin, be it billboard, railcar, racecar. I understand about the fact of children being open to these things, but honestly guys. I'm in high school and really if parents asked their kids how many times they smoked or got drunk, it would be as much as the drunk on the street..... So im sorry to be so blunt, but it's just another one of those things that people make into a huge argument. Thats my opinion and i'm entitled to it. feel free to object or possibly agree.

J.B.

-also I would like to include that I am not a drinker or smoker......=]
 
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campbell,

I agree. I find that people use things like drugs and alcohol and cigarettes as a reason to hear themselves talk, nothing more. They are bad for you, obviously, but no one cares, they just want to use it as an excuse for their 15 minute of fame.

My 2c worth,
John
 
as im 18, i taught myself right from wrong, my mom has never had to say a word to me about drugs and achohol. I knew they were bad, so there for i choose not to even try them. the way i look at it, if you know its bead for you, why try it?

there is nothing wrong with it, its not like were actually advertising for them, unless there are some back door payware deals the creators made with the tabacco companys, but i doubt that has happened
 
grogstop65 said:
If its not pornographic or hateful then its art!
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The line between tasteful and tasteless is so increadibly fine

grogstop65 said:
Its a bad idea to censure art if you want to keep creative minds in this comunity.
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Creativity means making mistakes. Art is knowing which ones to keep.
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As a side-point, do the advertising laws in Australia make any provision for heritage? As I understand it (from teenage British point of view), it is fine to make a computer program in which the objective is to mow as many people down as possible with a big gun, but Auran could potentially be sued for a Black Cat sign on the DLS? That's daft! :confused:
 
one thing i havent seen though is anyone down it.....but there are votes saying to take it off.. i dont know maybe i missed em? cmon people i know theres at least one that is just dyin to debate........
 
We all should be aware there are games out there where your objective is to shoot up police officers and commit crimes "selling drugs" for instance. If we can have games that promote illegal activity why can't we have a nice old mail pouch barn sitting in a pristine fall country setting by an old railroad line? Whats the harm in that?
I await a good answer.


As stated before, If its not pornographic or hateful then its art! Its a bad idea to censure art if you want to keep creative minds in this comunity.
Cheers, John Bethuy
TrainzEasternRoutes Chairman
Lead Route Designer
 
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grogstop65 said:
We all should be aware there are games out there where your objective is to shoot up police officers and commit crimes "selling drugs" for instance. If we can have games that promote illegal activity why can't we have a nice old mail pouch barn sitting in a pristine fall country setting by an old railroad line? Whats the harm in that?
I await a good answer.


Cheers, John Bethuy
TrainzEasternRoutes Chairman
Lead Route Designer
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I agree with John. There are much worse games with much worse objectives. Prostitution, Drug Dealing, Shooting Police Officers infect many games these days.

There is no problem with having a pack of Marlboro advertised on a billboard in the right time period. (Back in the day railroads, for example).

Considering what other video games have in them, this isn't so bad. Its not bad at all..

Like I said before, I'm smart enough not to go out and try to get a pack because I saw it on a custom content billboard in a game.

This situation, in my opinion, should be unanimously chosen to be overlooked. There is nothing wrong with this.

Another point is, if you don't like it, don't download it! Simple as that.

Ok, make this post my 4th cents.. I've already thrown in two. :p

Dillon Hayward,
TER Reskinner

PS: Considering what they put in games like Grand Theft Auto, tobacco billboards in Trainz seems angelic
 
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MuttsMooch said:
I agree with John. There are much worse games with much worse objectives. Prostitution, Drug Dealing, Shooting Police Officers infect many games these days.

There is no problem with having a pack of Marlboro advertised on a billboard in the right time period. (Back in the day railroads, for example).

Considering what other video games have in them, this isn't so bad. Its not bad at all..

Like I said before, I'm smart enough not to go out and try to get a pack because I saw it on a custom content billboard in a game.

This situation, in my opinion, should be unanimously chosen to be overlooked. There is nothing wrong with this.

Another point is, if you don't like it, don't download it! Simple as that.

Ok, make this post my 4th cents.. I've already thrown in two. :p

Dillon Hayward,
TER Reskinner
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I've got to agree with you there. If you don't like it, don't download it. Its kinda like the debate on what's on TV. People forget that they have a choice whether or not to watch that particular show....its as simple as changing the channel. Personal responsibility is the key here.

I remember reading a thread back on the old forums about having a Whaling industry. The point of having it was to make a period layout, say mid 1800s when the whaling industry was still going in this country and in Canada (I assume). Anyway, people were complaining about it because (rightly so) it's a cruel industry. However, you have to allow it because back in the 1800s people didn't think that way. Nowadays they do. Tobacco products were advertised heavily back before cancer was becoming as big of an issue as it is today. So, for somebody to make a very historically accurate layout (if they wish) they'd want to have the freedom to include tobacco adverts as they see fit. (I'm a history major, so these kinds of things are in my interest :D:p)

-Drew Hall
AGZ PR, Reskinner, RouteBuilder
 
grogstop65 said:
As stated before, If its not pornographic or hateful then its art! Its a bad idea to censure art if you want to keep creative minds in this comunity.
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but what abotu german content around WWII? Some of which Has swastika's, however the swastika is used in asia as a symbol of peace. In Fact it was because Hitler thought the Asians were the closest and last remaining "true Aryans" so he opted to use it to represent the Nazi party. but for 5,000+ years before hitler it was used to smbolise peace. So what if some one makes a Asian layout using them alot? Does that still make it wrong?

Edit: Please ignore the bold....the forums are just annoying
 
Klinger said:


but what abotu german content around WWII? Some of which Has swastika's, however the swastika is used in asia as a symbol of peace. In Fact it was because Hitler thought the Asians were the closest and last remaining "true Aryans" so he opted to use it to represent the Nazi party. but for 5,000+ years before hitler it was used to smbolise peace. So what if some one makes a Asian layout using them alot? Does that still make it wrong?

Edit: Please ignore the bold....the forums are just annoying
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Its OK to have swastika's and the like in a world war two game for the sake of it being prototypcle, the same goes here.

You can't wrap history in a white paper bag.
 
I don't think we really need retrace or revisit the swastika thing. Other than off topic, plus knowing full well it will incite argument, that's done and dusted surely.
 
Ok......back to original topic - as at 4:30pm Tuesday 13th Feb (Sydney time), looking at 70% of those polled who are "prepared to be their own censor".......and take responsibility for own actions. This is encouraging. :)

Cheers,
Simon.
 
Forest_Runner said:
I don't think we really need retrace or revisit the swastika thing. Other than off topic, plus knowing full well it will incite argument, that's done and dusted surely.
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Its not that off topic if you think of it as censorship, while everyone can see the need for censorship just where do you draw the line, most places use the guidelines of the 'G' rating but not it seems here, as a swastika and cigarette advert (in the background) would be allowed for historic accuracy in a G rated show.

First the Swastika then 'Linda of the lamp' now cigarette adverts, what next *sigh*

@ Forest_Runner, I agree with you :D about the Swastika thing being done to death and was only mentioned here as a victim of censorship.

Cheers David
 
So is this a sign of how fluffy a certian classics will be? historic lines with all the billboards saying "this space for rent" :D and by the way the S Boats certian swashthing included are unreal ;)
 
There are 15 votes to remove all tobacco products from the DLS, but no comments as to why they feel that way. I'm a smoker and wish that I wasn't, but it wasn't tobacco ads that got me started. Allow us the ability to create historically correct routes or Trainz becomes fluff.
 
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