Tobacco advertising and images

[Alan_Yeomans]

Around the world we have different laws and views on tobacco advertising.

Mostly this is in an attempt to curb the number of people taking up smoking and to reduce the death toll from these cancer sticks.

Who would let their kids watch the wiggles if they all chain smoked and were promoting tobacco products? Not me.

However Trainz allows users to create any type of layout from anywhere in the world anytime in history and these images add to the realism of these layouts.

So tell us your view of tobacco billboards and wagons on the DLS.

 

[colhad]

Around the world we have different laws and views on tobacco advertising.

Mostly this is in an attempt to curb the number of people taking up smoking and to reduce the death toll from these cancer sticks.

Who would let their kids watch the wiggles if they all chain smoked and were promoting tobacco products? Not me.

However Trainz allows users to create any type of layout from anywhere in the world anytime in history and these images add to the realism of these layouts.

So tell us your view of tobacco billboards and wagons on the DLS.

I wouldn't have thought of a Trainz/Game model as a means of advertising. With games, realism is one of the main aims and sometimes this means using lables, pictures to achieve that.

In the case of Trainz, people will use content not to promote tobacco or alcohol, but to make their route more real.

I wouldn't have a problem with tobacco and alcohol images being used in Trainz.

 

[paulzmay]

Option C for me. Historical / real world accuracy over political correctness any day, and I speak as a non-smoker who applauds the moves being made to ban smoking in public around the world.

The only reason, I think, to refuse to upload an item would be if it was primarily intended to advertise or promote smoking, rather than represent a real life / historical item.

Just my 2c worth...

Paul

 

[Boobless_ed]

As said, it is all about the atmosphere.

If I saw any ingame billboard representing an existing product of any kind, I would not even consider buying it.

When advertising is used ingame it is there purely for artistic merit, and nothing to do with the product itself.

 

[scarol]

Pourquoi ne pas aussi supprimer les films, livres etc... où on parle et voit un paquet de cigarettes!
Dingue!!!!
Casablanca!... à la poubelle


Why also not remove all films and books where a package of cigarettes is seen?
Crazy!!!
Casablanca!... deletted

 

[robertoconti19]

Anche tutte le locomotive a vapore inquinano e sono pertanto nocive alla salute. Le togliamo da Trainz?



Also all the locomotives to vapor pollute and are therefore injurious to the health. We remove from Trainz?

 

[johnwhelan]

If Trainz was aimed at 9-14 year olds and had large adverts for modern brands I would agree.

However having the same adverts that were present in 1920-30 to give historical accuracy for products that are no longer sold under the same name or packaging to me is not a major danger to health.

Many Trainz users are over the age of 21 and thus it is doubtful if they will start smoking based on the small adverts seen in Trainz.

I am a non smoker whose father died from smoking related causes by the way.

Cheerio John

 

[Spookymufu]

I wouldnt mind it, just as I didnt mind the swastika on WWII content

 

[dmdrake]

Tobacco is a historical fact.

I think that if we begin to edit history and the present so as to include only soft fluffy things it's going to be quite boring and UNREALISTIC in the extreme. If we start in on tobacco then let's include alcohol and then how about fast food, and why not Black Lung from coal mining... Uh Oh... no more steam ... I don't think so. Tobacco is a historical fact. Let's draw the line and get over this desire to trick our children into seeing the world we all grew up in as being 'better' than it was.

Dave

 

[samrec]

I will say that as long as those billboards carry the same warnings they carry in real life sure why not. After all people this is a simulator,and even when I'm not a smoker I see them every day.

And if a hard smoker wants to smoke some virtual billboard let him/her try.

cheers

 

[BidMod]

If Trainz was aimed at 9-14 year olds and had large adverts for modern brands I would agree.

However having the same adverts that were present in 1920-30 to give historical accuracy for products that are no longer sold under the same name or packaging to me is not a major danger to health.

Many Trainz users are over the age of 21 and thus it is doubtful if they will start smoking based on the small adverts seen in Trainz.

I am a non smoker whose father died from smoking related causes by the way.

Kind of ditto - My dad is still alive (non-smoker), but I only ever knew one of my Granddads - the other died long before I was born, and my Grandma died in 1998, having given up smoking after the damage was already done.

I fall into the 14-21 age bracket, and have no inclination towards smoking.

It is worth noting that advertising is limited, but (in the UK at least) there are exemptions (I don't know the official wording) to Heritage bodies (ie preserved railways) to display period station decoration - thus permitting tobacco adverts. On some platforms you can't move 6yds before passing multiple Black Cat adverts!

 

[ad602000]

In Australia, any kind of visual, oral or written advertising of tobacco products are illegal, no matter what the medium used for the advertising. Having said that there are really only two options open to auran.

1/ have two versions of the game one for australia and the other for the rest of the world, as well as stopping australians from downloading anything with cigarette advertising on it. Otherwise they would be in contravention of federal advertising legislation whether the intent to promote the product was there on the part of auran or not.
This is borne out by the fact that for example, sporting events such as F1, where cars are not allowed to display any kind of advertising on the vehicles during the broadcasting of the Australian Grand Prix as it constitutes defacto advertising and the organisers and teams are open to prosecution under australian law.

2/ auran should simply stop content with this material on it from being uploaded. Although the game is not aimed at juveniles, we are realistic enough and so is auran to know that they do use it and the forums, hence the code of conduct surrounding suitable material, topics and language.

Under current australian law, auran clearly has no choice but to stop this type of content. This is not my personal view on the advertising of tobacco products, merely an observation as to perceived options.


cheers
pete

 

[PerRock]

I will say that as long as those billboards carry the same warnings they carry in real life sure why not. After all people this is a simulator,and even when I'm not a smoker I see them every day.

And if a hard smoker wants to smoke some virtual billboard let him/her try.

cheers

I agree. As long as they have a surgeon generals (or similar) warning it should be allowed. or maybe some disclaimer in the config...

peter

 

[leeferr]

I agree. As long as they have a surgeon generals (or similar) warning it should be allowed. or maybe some disclaimer in the config...

peter

Sorry, but I disagree. These advertisements in the early periods that some of us model did not have these warnings. If we're trying to model historically, then let us do it. Changing history through simulations will not change history. I won't get into the whole political correctness debate here since it's probably a violation of the CoC, but let us be historically accurate. Previous comments were correct, are we to stop using Steam locos because they burn might be burning high sulphur fuel or even diesels because they use fossil fuels. Where does it stop? There's always going to be someone that's offended, no matter what you do.

 

[titaniclover]

i as a 13 year old am influnced NOt to drink or smoke.
i am around people who do do it but i have ignored it.
i vote B as one we have people under the age of 9 here i dont think it is really accaptible to do that. i am sure that some of you older people do and haved smoked before and i fell keepin it out of others way is a good idea.
just as I didnt mind the swastika on WWII content
watch it buddy you could get some people mad there for one me, im near full German.
and I speak as a non-smoker who applauds the moves being made to ban smoking in public around the world.
i agree with Paul mostly.
I am a non smoker whose father died from smoking related causes by the way.
i am terrible sorry for you about that.
thats all i have to say.

 

[lenice]

TRAINZ is a simulation not real life. The people that wish to smoke are influenced by things or people in reality not simulated reality. Any billboard or ad or sign etc is placed by the creator of the layout, rollingstock, building etc for realism because it is there in real life or to make the item appear more true to life. I don't think whizzing past a virtual billboard at 60,80,100,25,40 or even 200 kph is going to start me thinking "Gee, wouldn't mind a cigarette right about now". My 2c worth.

Glen

 

[PerRock]

I don't think whizzing past a virtual billboard at 60,80,100,25,40 or even 200 kph is going to start me thinking "Gee, wouldn't mind a cigarette right about now". My 2c worth.

Glen

actually that is an old advertising technique used by movies. they banned it a while ago. but basically they would flash something like a popcorn kernal up during the movie for a split seconded. and while you were sitting there even though you consciously didn't see it your brain did and after a bit you would find yourself wanting popcorn (almost needing).

peter

 

[dreddman]

Here we go again lets make it a politically correct fluffy world OPTION C for ME! as with most of us ! have a look at your 06 all the brand names were removed before release all assets were changed that were included .
If it wasnt for more outside 3rd part creations 06 would be bland! What shop was that dunno they all look the same
Infact it is hard enough to recreate something Historicaly correct already without removing signs of the past ?.......Lets do a movie about the OPIUM war in China in the late 1800's "But we cant show any DRUG references".............Lets do a historicaly correct WAR Documentry "But no one Dies" This is stupid !!! Next will be all references to PUBs (to curb drink driving in young people) Do you realy think Trainz realy Influences us that much! in the real world? I remember ages ago and have the plant model of HEMP Proposed for a hemp industry ooohhhh that was canned fast!.....If it wasnt for HEMP! there would be no rigging on ships of the 17/1800's (No Pirates were not STONED!)........
And poor ol mate Whecsailor COPPED SUCH A CANEING over the Sboats
(SO COOL HISTORICALY CORRECT MODELS)....I didnt mind the swastika on WWII content....It was there in 1940's .
Imagine now trying to do a FRENCH STEAM LAYOUT in the 40's servicing Uboat Bunkers (THE FLUFFY FLAG!) Why bother lets all go SHOOT N DESTROY OURSELVES in a FPS its only VIOLENCE 3! FRAGS LEFT!
...................DONT LIKE IT WELL DONT DOWNLOAD IT!
There is PORN on the NET I dont want to look at it so I dont go there ?

 

[jellicoe]

If you have a thing about smoking, then slap your kids for it, not the rest of us who have more things to worry about in the real world than someone who wants to commit suicide by lifestyle choice. I cannot abide the arrogance of people who want to judge history by the standards of today: people smoked back then and they had adverts to promote it so don't pretend that it didn't happen and let the rest of us duplicate the realism with adverts. Alternatively, lets pretend that the Holocaust never happened then we can all feel warm and fuzzy inside. I just cannot believe that this politically correct rubbish has found its way into Trainz.

 

[pommie]

Just when is this going to stop,
do you next ban all textures relating to alcohol (pubs included) due to a very large portion of the world banning its consumption so therefore its advertising,
then you ban all textures relating to pig products due to an even larger portion of the population that can't go near it,
then you ban all textures and products relating to ALL meat/poultry because it might upset Vegetarians,
or how about banning wood products because it could be seen as promoting forest clearing.

Lets face it, if you are going to rewrite history to suite what you believe will not offend ANYONE then you turn history into a fairy tale with no factual information whatsoever.

History is just the facts of what happened, not a statement about what happened.

And in reference to the topic (cigarette smoking), even the tv/film industry still portray people smoking because in real life people do and did.

Cheers David

ps, just how do you do an authentic British route up to about the 60's without advertisements for WD & HO Wills Cigarette's or Woodbines, they were everywhere !!!