The future of the Desktop

Your idea is a great one and it reminds me of a system I had used many years ago. I can't remember who made them, but they consisted of multiple PCs in a single chassis. Each card was its own machine and they shared a common interface for video and communications. The OS wasn't virtualized for each card though which would be different than what you would want. Then again, this was 25 years ago, so a lot more can probably be done today with something like this. The cards plugged into a chassis with what looked like a VME bus, or more like the older Multi-Bus interface. I remember both interfaces well, and used to troubleshoot some old "intelligent terminals" that used it. These were the old Ontel OP-1/xx terminals such as the OP-1/64 (64 for 64K of memory). The systems had various flavors, but specific cards for specific slots were required for all models such as slot 1 or slot 5 for the CPU, memory was next, followed by anything else. They came with floppy drives and hard drives. Quite interesting systems in their day.

Parallels seems to be far ahead of VM Ware with the virtualization, and has made a system that runs high-end graphics in virtual machines.
http://www.parallels.com/products/extreme/

This might be the type of thing we would need for Trainz. I have never tried this, but have used their Workstation and Mac versions. Their Workstation version ran much better than either Oracle Virtual Box or Microsoft's Virtual PC.

I too have a tablet device, but I'm not keen on the on-screen keyboard or the scrolling. I have difficulties with the interface due to Parkinson's disease because I freeze and hesistate when I scroll which causes unwanted windows to open or windows I want to use to resize unexpectedly on me. Typing is also an issue as I tend to double hit no matter how slow I set the settings for, or sometimes I don't get the characters because I can't type quickly enough. I also have one of the plug-in keyboards/docks for it, which for a normal person wold work well, but for me I can't use the tablet-mouse because of the freezing. So, like your iPad, my Asus 'Droid device has become an expensive ebook reader and photo album.

I ended up putting it aside and using my very heavy Alienware laptop instead when traveling. It's much less frustrating to use. I really don't think PCs as we know them will go away completely. The desktop games are still quite popular even though many people seem to enjoy the endless no-brain puzzle games. These things are fun, but have no repeat value to them after the first go around. If anything with EA bringing out a new SimCity in March 2013, this makes me wonder if the PC market is going away. This program is no fluff when it comes to network performance, graphics, and AI requirements. Being what it is, I doubt any of this could run on a tablet with the awkward interface and smaller disks.

John
 
Interesting discussion. I've just been reading the expected specs for the Samsung Galaxy S4 smartphone (expected in April) and they are little short of insane - it may have an EIGHT CORE CPU and a 13 megapixel camera. I own a Galaxy Note 2 and I really don't need a laptop or a tablet since it combines the features of both. As the owner of a megalithic Desktop PC I really can't see the desktop disappearing, I think the trend will be towards miniaturisation so as to fit inside something like the HAF XB case
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/cooler_master_haf_xb_review,1.html
Things which are likely to become things of the past are Internal Optical Drives - I have read that Apple is looking to phase them out on its laptops in favour of SD Cards - and conventional hard drives, once the price of SSD's is low enough to be really competitive.
 
Interesting discussion. I've just been reading the expected specs for the Samsung Galaxy S4 smartphone (expected in April) and they are little short of insane - it may have an EIGHT CORE CPU and a 13 megapixel camera. I own a Galaxy Note 2 and I really don't need a laptop or a tablet since it combines the features of both. As the owner of a megalithic Desktop PC I really can't see the desktop disappearing, I think the trend will be towards miniaturisation so as to fit inside something like the HAF XB case
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/cooler_master_haf_xb_review,1.html
Things which are likely to become things of the past are Internal Optical Drives - I have read that Apple is looking to phase them out on its laptops in favour of SD Cards - and conventional hard drives, once the price of SSD's is low enough to be really competitive.

I saw that article too. I wonder if it will also double as an ear warmer with all the cores, RAM , and graphics. :)

With Apple going to chips instead of discs for software, this is another circle we've been through before. The old games were once came on plug-in cartridges, which were nothing more than EEROMs or EPROMS which were hard programmed, and never to be updated by the consumer. Some hackers, though had EPROM burners and would data dump updated programs back on to the cartridges.

A smaller desktop is more likely as you've mentioned. This will come about with the integrated CPU and graphics chips soldered to the motherboards. There will be no reason to have the giant computer cases for equipment like this.

John
 
I saw that article too. I wonder if it will also double as an ear warmer with all the cores, RAM , and graphics. :)

With Apple going to chips instead of discs for software, this is another circle we've been through before. The old games were once came on plug-in cartridges, which were nothing more than EEROMs or EPROMS which were hard programmed, and never to be updated by the consumer. Some hackers, though had EPROM burners and would data dump updated programs back on to the cartridges.

A smaller desktop is more likely as you've mentioned. This will come about with the integrated CPU and graphics chips soldered to the motherboards. There will be no reason to have the giant computer cases for equipment like this.

John

I think the majority of people today want mobile access to the web, and that is why Smartphones and Tablets are selling like hotcakes. Many times a day, I need info on something, or want to check a forum, or weather, or need directions, and within seconds, I can get that information no matter where I am. The other issue, is that PCs used to be something that would be obsolete in a few years, so people were always replacing them to get a faster, newer, processor and bigger HD and faster GPU. Today, a decent PC will last for years and run darn near any program you can think of with ease. The real test for a desktop today is gaming and video editing. So I buy a PC, and can keep it for years and years, without having to replace anything except maybe a hard drive now and then. During that time, I might be buying a few phones and a tablet or two.

http://www.computerweekly.com/news/...ts-the-demise-of-the-desktop-PC-refresh-cycle
 
I think the majority of people today want mobile access to the web, and that is why Smartphones and Tablets are selling like hotcakes.


Thats true but an 8 core CPU won't make access to the internet any better than the present 4 core and it will impact on battery life. I think I am right in saying that the people in the UK looking forward to getting 4G phones will be disappointed because 4G will only be available in 14 cities and I have heard that it eats through your mobile data allowance like nothing on Earth.
 
Thats true but an 8 core CPU won't make access to the internet any better than the present 4 core and it will impact on battery life. I think I am right in saying that the people in the UK looking forward to getting 4G phones will be disappointed because 4G will only be available in 14 cities and I have heard that it eats through your mobile data allowance like nothing on Earth.[/COLOR]

I have had 4G for over a year, and I generally use about 0.5G out of the 2G a month on my plan. Almost all my data is via Wireless, which is almost everywhere. The 8 core thing I don't get, because very few apps even use dual cores, but I guess for games it would be OK. Of course, some of the phones like the Droid Razor Max with it's 3300 mah battery will go way over a day, even with heavy data usage. In the US, carriers are now moving to LTE which has unbelievable data speeds.
 
"I have had 4G for over a year, and I generally use about 0.5G out of the 2G a month on my plan."

In the States yes but the States is not the same as the UK

For example
http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/47428/ee-everything-everywhere-4g-service-uk Athe moment I am on a 500mb monthly plan for £8 a month compared to the quoted £21 a month for 4G.
 
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Hi everybody
I think the majority of people today want mobile access to the web, and that is why Smartphones and Tablets are selling like hotcakes. Many times a day, I need info on something, or want to check a forum, or weather, or need directions, and within seconds, I can get that information no matter where I am. The other issue, is that PCs used to be something that would be obsolete in a few years, so people were always replacing them to get a faster, newer, processor and bigger HD and faster GPU. Today, a decent PC will last for years and run darn near any program you can think of with ease. The real test for a desktop today is gaming and video editing. So I buy a PC, and can keep it for years and years, without having to replace anything except maybe a hard drive now and then. During that time, I might be buying a few phones and a tablet or two.

I believe Robert you have hit the nail right on the head in your posting. In my work I often require instant Internet access to such things as industrial court case rulings etc. in that my Sampson Galaxy tab is indispensable as is making quick notes during meetings on the small Bluetooth keyboard I carry with it. However, when it comes to typing up or dictating (using Dragon naturally speaking) full reports you cannot beat the good old-fashioned PC. In the office we are running PCs with XP, Vista and Windows 7 many of which have been with us since the start of the business six years ago. The one running XP now was not new when we opened the business and it still kicks off every morning with no complaint providing you give it at least half hour to start up (lol).

The extra one we have just purchased for a new member of staff is running Windows 8 and as stated in a previous posting we have all had a tinkering about session on it and I would have to say further we are all very impressed. I have now replaced Windows 7 with Windows 8 on my PC at home at home, all is now running well and in quieter moments enjoy the cheap games you can get from the store as light relief at the end of the day. As you say Robert the end of the PC is probably quite some way off, they will be downsized and downgraded as the mobile and console gaming takes an ever bigger share of that market but the PC will still be with us especially in the office environment. However, as I said in a previous posting on this thread I do wonder what will happen to the niche gaming market such as simulation in the squeeze that seems to be taking place.

Bill
 
4G is nice for those that live in areas that support it. Even though Verizon has a tower up the street from me, I can't get a signal off of it. I live on the side of a hill and my cell phone barely works. So for this reason, it's not worth the extra for something that I won't always use. I did require 24/7 access when I was employed. Now that I'm retired, it's a different story. Oh well, if I can't respond today, I'll get to it later. :)

Bill,

I was wondering the same regarding simulations and that, but EA is releasing the latest SimCity and that looks like it's going to use a bit of horsepower which the little tablets won't have at least for now.

www.simcity.com

There are lots of other simulators and FPS games that require decent hardware outside of what any mobile device will offer except for the new Razor's Edge which is a full-fledged PC in a tablet device capable of playing current as well as future games and simulations.

http://www.cnet.com/laptops/razer-edge/4505-3121_7-35561052.html?_escaped_fragment_=#!



John
 
I was wondering the same regarding simulations and that, but EA is releasing the latest SimCity and that looks like it's going to use a bit of horsepower which the little tablets won't have at least for now.

www.simcity.com


You’re kidding right?

GT5 and Forza 4 are a lot more demanding (graphics and physic’s) then that and run at a consistent 60 fps at 1080p on 7-8 year old $200 hardware, lol.


GT5 -
http://www.virtualr.net/gran-turismo-5-update-2-06-available
http://www.virtualr.net/project-cars-vs-gt5-comparison-video


Forza 4 -
http://www.virtualr.net/ferrari-virtual-academy-vs-console-titles



Upcoming gaming hardware/ PS4 and XBOX 720 hardware specs –

http://www.techspot.com/news/51391-...-xbox-720-hardware-specifications-leaked.html


Valve’s new Steam Box (running Linux) –

http://xi3.com/x7a-modular-computer.php
http://www.forbes.com/sites/carolpi...-cause-the-death-of-consoles-as-we-know-them/
 
The desktop computer will die the day after consumer's expectations of performance dies.

It's really very simple. As long as we want more realism in our sims and more eye candy on the screen then there will be a market to deliver it.

If that means 1000 watt power supplies and quad SLI then that is what will be available.

A greater "market share" will drift towards "smaller" but the overall market itself will also expand.

It's not like a central commitee determining the needs of the many driving the market. It's all about profitably meeting the needs of a sufficiently sized target audience.

If the needs for big high powered boxes are there then we will continue to see developement in that direction.

I do not see that need going away anytime soon, and so the the big desktop computer will not go away anytime soon.
 
The desktop computer will die the day after consumer's expectations of performance dies.

It's really very simple. As long as we want more realism in our sims and more eye candy on the screen then there will be a market to deliver it.

If that means 1000 watt power supplies and quad SLI then that is what will be available.

A greater "market share" will drift towards "smaller" but the overall market itself will also expand.

It's not like a central commitee determining the needs of the many driving the market. It's all about profitably meeting the needs of a sufficiently sized target audience.

If the needs for big high powered boxes are there then we will continue to see developement in that direction.

I do not see that need going away anytime soon, and so the the big desktop computer will not go away anytime soon.

I don't believe companies in the future are going to invest alot of money, time and effort designing a game that has to run on a niche market high priced gaming PC. Right now, people can make millions of dollars developing an app for a smart phone and tablet that sells for a few dollars.
 
I don't believe companies in the future are going to invest alot of money, time and effort designing a game that has to run on a niche market high priced gaming PC. Right now, people can make millions of dollars developing an app for a smart phone and tablet that sells for a few dollars.

It's kind of interesting how the software industry twists and turns. The app thing caught me by surprise but my savvy daughters (late 20's) live their life using them. Clever ideas build on previous clever ideas so whatever the future brings should be better.
 
Hello there,

No demise of desktops 'cos many people will want to see stuff on a normal size screen and interact with the computer with other means than smearing ones finger grease all over the LCD. The shape and size of "traditional" desktop may change, not the concept... Mac ideas come and go, some time back we have witnessed a near collapse of this company.

10 years from now I hope to see my Trainz running on a paper thin 30" 3D monitor in crystal clear 16,000 x 9,000 resolution (without smearing my fingers all over it) in my loco cabin look-alike controller. What runs this experience and what it will look like I do not care, as long it is not iPad or other Mac monstrosity.

:)

Regards, Mimes
 
:cool: Ten years from now, I hope we have interactive glasses that allow us to go into the game entirely.

I have never understood why in a germ warfare world why anyone would want to share a monitor with someone elses **** material on it!
 
The shape and size of "traditional" desktop may change, not the concept... Mac ideas come and go, some time back we have witnessed a near collapse of this company.

This is an interesting thing to say, given that:

* The "shape and size" are basically what sets the desktop apart from the television, tablet, the smartphone, and the smartwatch.
* Every desktop under the sun is currently running on "Mac ideas". Who do you think was responsible for popularising the desktop metaphor? The company may have its ups and downs and more ups but the ideas seem to stick around.


I'm the first one to say that a phone or tablet can't currently replace the Desktop PC as we know it, but I certainly don't think that the current desktop is going to be around in the long run. I would expect that our technology will become more and more a "part of the world around us" and less a discreet "box".

I also don't think there's any need to get in a panic over what's going to happen next year or so. Much like the introduction of the automobile, it takes time for such a sweeping change. There will probably be a few buggy whip manufacturers in trouble, but for the general populace life goes on.

my 2c,

chris
 
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