The future of the Desktop

Reading further it does say intel desktop motherboards only, nothing about the other makers.
 
Intel never were that big in motherboards and recently the Taiwanese motherboard manufacturers have been producing good quality products which is all Intel needs to sell its processors which are high margin. The problem is that motherboards are not high margin products and Intel generally speaking likes high margin products. They are also currently de-emphasising consumer level SSDs, the margins aren't good enough. AnandTech etc have more details about it.

Cheerio John
 
Hi everybody.
The demise of the desktop PC has been predicted for a few years now but despite that, it still remains the backbone of the business office throughout the world with nothing as yet to replace it in that environment.

Windows 8 has also raised the few eyebrows in the commercial world, with its promise of easy linking between new phones and tablets running Windows 8 to the office PC also running the same. The foregoing could mean that even if you are hundreds of miles away from your office base, You will be easily able to access any file or information on your base PC and bring it up on your tablet or phone for instant availability in meetings or conferences.

Our business had its first PC delivered on Monday with Windows 8 installed, and all the office staff that have used it seemed very impressed with the combination of the new start menu and the traditional desktop view. For the first time in a considerable number of years, I feel that Microsoft may well be looking at a winner with Windows 8 and that will certainly breathe new life into the desktop PC through its linking with the mobile computing world into the future.

Windows 8 is also very orientated towards gaming through the new start menu especially in the area of mobile games applications. So for the first time you will be able to enjoy a games app on your desktop in the evening, and then continue it on your tablet or phone in a more mobile environment the next day. So, in the future possibly you will be able to work on your trainz route and then test run it later on your phone or tablet computer.

Something to think about
Bill
 
Are there (or will there be) portable/mobile devices available that have most significantly 24inch plus monitors, full size keyboards with raised keys, decent sound systems with high end speakers and multiple SSD and HDD drives? If so, one will still require a desk to sit it all on!

The 'desktop PC' will always be around whilst the need for such machines exist.
 
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So true, I have a friend who has external drives, speakers monitor keyboard and all sorts of paraphernalia hooked up to his gadgets, takes up more space than a desktop, he's talking of building a case to put all this stuff in.......

Hang on isn't that what a desktop does?
 
Wasn't the Apple IIc supposed to spell the end of the "desktop" of the time?

I doubt you'll see the end of the PC anytime in the distant future. As long as content needs to be created, tablets and smartphones are basically ruled out. And, as long as as the game industry it cranking out games that test the limits of technology, even laptops will be of limited value. I do think manufacturers will trade raw power for smaller or lower-energy systems - hence the trend towards higher integration - so we'll see a tapering off of the performance gains we've seen in the last few years. Then again, if developers start doing a better job of offloading work onto GPUs, perhaps even that won't happen.
 
intel boars are only good until p4 after that other players like asus gigabyte kicked out intel from motherboard business so due to that their business is going down and they decided to quit
 
Hi again everybody.
Certainly in Britain the Christmas just gone will be known as the “tablet computer Christmas” with one retailer claiming to have sold over one and a half million from just there outlets alone. I suspect you could multiply that several times over with what was sold online.

However, as the owner of a tablet for the last two years I also suspect that many of the Christmas buyers who bought their tablets thinking that they would replace their laptop or PC are now very much disappointed. For it must be said that for heavy work such as serious document writing, spreadsheet editing or as already said content creating for various applications you undoubtedly need a full-size keyboard, and in the latter the computing power that only a desktop PC can give.

That said, we have to recognise that the desktop itself has changed. The latest one in our office is an all in one PC with the only addition being a remote wireless keyboard for its operation. (It can also be operated by touchscreen, but I do not see much point in that in an office environment or on any PC for that matter)

It would seem that the days when the actual PC was either under the desk or alongside the monitor with all its cables and wires hanging down is now coming to an end. I was told by the installation engineer that these all in one machines are not designed for high-end gaming due to such factors as heat dispersal etc. Doubtless somebody will advise if they think that is a wrong judgement.

Along with the above, we must also recognise that the games market is also very much changing. Games are now written for the lesser power of mobile phones and tablets. They are all so much cheaper and very often free from such places as androids play store etc. let’s remember that such bestselling worldwide games as “angry birds” were solely marketed for the phone and tablet giving the new mass mobile market cheap applications matching very much what it wanted.

It would seem to me that the future of the high-end games market, such as simulations will very much depend on the integration of the all in one PC with that of the phone and tablet market. Undoubtedly, in my view that will very much depend on the success of Microsoft’s Windows 8 operating system along with others if there is to be any niche high-end games market in the future.

Bill.
 
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I know technology is advancing but it's kind of sad to see one of the biggest PC manufacturers stop making motherboards. I hope AMD does not stop. I just built my first destkop and I hope desktops stay for a long time.
 
Desktops aren't going anywhere fast. Just a slow time, as the hardware has surpassed the software. My 2-3 year old Core i7 975 Extreme Edition hasn't been slowed down by anything since I created it. No reason to upgrade anything on it since then. Don't buy it if I don't need it. ;)
 
Desktops aren't going anywhere fast. Just a slow time, as the hardware has surpassed the software. My 2-3 year old Core i7 975 Extreme Edition hasn't been slowed down by anything since I created it. No reason to upgrade anything on it since then. Don't buy it if I don't need it. ;)

This has been my observation as well. There is the other thing too that there really hasn't been any whopping, super exciting new hardware or operating systems out there for anyone to consider upgrading. If there were newer, faster video cards, processors faster than the current i7s, and even faster bigger memory, then people would consider buying and upgrading their hardware. The slow worldwide economy doesn't help the industry either, so right now the only time things are being updated is when they're old, and people are forced to upgrade when they replace old equipment. You see this mostly in businesses who are now upgrading their hardware to support Windows 7. (You noticed that I didn't say Windows 8). Many companies are still running Windows XP on hardware that's over 5 years old. Unlike the consumers, who are mostly broke right now, companies don't usually upgrade to the latest and greatest of anything until they have to. My company has just started rolling out new hardware with Windows 7. This started last summer. I think the biggest changes will happen next year when Windows XP loses support.

The big thing about mobile devices overtaking the desktops has been said before. The problem is no matter how powerful a laptop is, there is still that limitations with the hardware. They are more sensitive to the environment, run slower than desktops, and have awkward interfaces. The new tablet devices are awful with their fake keyboards, and for someone like me with mobility issues, I cannot use them without double-clicking, pausing while scrolling, or double typing on the screen. I have a nice Android-based Asus tablet, but sadly the device has become nothing more than a photo viewer because I cannot type on the screen because of this.

John
 
I wouldn't be surprised to see "desktops", for want of a better term, for business (including government) scaling down to almost a single board with the processor, dynamic memory, video and network and probably no local hard disk/SSD storage. For those of us who have been around long enough this is almost "deja vue". This is kind of where we started except for the networking part. In an office environment the PC style box/tower is really a nuisance since it takes up valuable space. In my old job I had two of the things and some I knew had up to four.

In a way this is all kind of sad because I liked to build/upgrade/replace my home computers on a regular basis. I have an iPad but, while a clever little box, it has nothing remotely like the flexibility of the PC I am using right now.
 
Paul,

You summed this up nicely. Everything seems to go full circle with the computer industry. I came from the world of video terminals with mainframes and worked up to workgroup computers and local file servers. We've now gone back to a higher-end graphics terminal connected to a cloud server. From a corporate point of view, this is advantageous because of their ROI is very high. There is now very little support required - it breaks, pull out another one from the closet. The data is secure, being off the desktop and away from the user's hands so there is little chance of data theft, and there is less of a chance of malware intrusions because network access can be controlled.

In the 1980s I worked for Visual Technology, a pioneer in the early personal computers and advanced video terminals. Like the computers being developed today, their PC line (used to mean Personal Computer and not IBM-compatible PC), used a single motherboard. Nearly everything on these boards except for RAM, processor, a few ASICs and larger ICs was soldered on the board. For a corporate user and average home user,this was the way to go because the technician can easily rip the board out and fix the whole computer in one shot. As time has gone on, the manufacturing process has gotten better with improved surface mounting technology and smaller components. For manufacturers, having the CPU soldered on the motherboards, this only makes sense as this brings their manufacturing costs down because there are fewer components such as sockets and extra labor needed to populate them. By soldering the CPU on the board while everything else is done, this can save them a ton of money. For the average consumer, who never would upgrade anything anyway, this is no issue, and for the corporate user, this makes support life a lot less hectic for the technician because if a PC dies he calls the OEM or supplier for a new one.

With the development of SSDs, the hard drive as we know it is fading away. These too are a candidate for motherboard integration. Apple has already proven that with the soldered in SSDs and RAM on their motherboards. The problem today with SSDs is their paltry size compared to mechanical drives as well as their overall reliability on the consumer-side of the components where these cost savings would be most advantageous.

If anything, I don't think that the big custom PCs will go away completely especially in the server and workstation markets. These computers are expensive and a company would much rather spend a few hundred dollars on a processor than replace a workstation. For the enthusiast, we'll remain at this high end anyway because our computers are pretty close to those workstations and servers, and less like the average computer used by the home net browser and corporate user.

One thought has crossed my mind as I was typing this. Having the CPU integrated onto the motherboard may prove to be a good thing for enthusiasts as well. With sockets and other interconnections, there is a great amount of signal loss, causing bandwidth drops and the need to use lower speeds for stability. With the components integrated onto the substrate, this signal loss can be mitigated somewhat since there is no longer that connection issue between the processor and the rest of the motherboard. Intel has already done some of this already with the integration of the cache memory directly on the processor substrate. By using this technology, they have been able to give us higher frequencies because there is less signal noise from the interconnections between the processor and the static RAM.

John
 
Hi John, Paul and everybody.
I feel this is a very interesting and enlightening thread especially in the last two postings. I would very much agree with what Paul states as far as buisness desktop PCs are concerned. The specifications needed will probably diminish into the future due to cloud storage and other factors, although I believe that most small business PCs will still need some on-board storage. There are so many people like myself who work on documents until late into the evening and then just want to save it as quickly as possible without logging into accounts etc before crashing into bed.

Again, as John advises in his usual well thought out manner, there are still in the pipeline many technical advances which could make the PC even more efficient and powerful than the machines we have at present. However, you have to wonder where would be the market for these even more powerful desktop PCs. There now seems to be a mass low-end games market centred around the tablet and phone computing industry that provides very cheap or very often free games for that field. They can be downloaded, installed and played while on the move and then deleted immediately or when you are fed up with them and ready to download and try something else. The high end games market now seems to be centred on console machines which are obviously just designed and developed specifically for that gaming market.

The question that I therefore feel needs to be asked is, where is the future for niche games such as simulation? The desktop version of trainz, Railworks and others relies on the input of its users to provide ongoing content for the maintenance of their future. To its users this very often becomes a hobby that benefits the original producers of the game and the community that builds around it. That said, applications such as simulation gaming also rely on constantly developing high-end desktop PCs for its future. Being a niche market it is difficult to see future high-end desktop PCs being developed or even present products being maintained for such a small market.

Bill
 
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The SSD's are becoming more and more known. Look at Ultrabooks. It seems that they have somewhat replaced netbooks and all ultrabooks have an SSD. Netbooks are really good for monitoring networks.
 
Exactly John. I'm not a tablet fan but they are useful. I use my iPad mostly for reading the news while having breakfast. For those of us that like the personal computer arrangement I hope there is always an architecture that allows the flexibility we currently have. I would like something like the old VME bus where you have a very high speed backbone that can accommodate a variety of plug in boards. I'd also like a host O/S with a single function - to allow boot up of your favourite operating system. I have a copy of VMWare's Workstation that partially achieves that aim but it still has to be hosted in Windows.
 
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