Alas, I have installed all versions prior to TANE. :hehe:
Setting properties of industry tracks when covered by scenery
- Thread starter normhart
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Alas, I have installed all versions prior to TANE. :hehe:
By playing around with the layer panel on the blank window I have been able to get to the industry track. Doesn't work all the time though.
This problem has been the biggest pain when using Tane.
I use Phil's remedy when I can, but unfortunately a lot of my routes come from early versions and the flyout doesn't always show.
I thought at one time I found somewhere to turn on this, but my old addled brain can't remember how.
Cheers,
Mike
This problem has been the biggest pain when using Tane.
I use Phil's remedy when I can, but unfortunately a lot of my routes come from early versions and the flyout doesn't always show.
I thought at one time I found somewhere to turn on this, but my old addled brain can't remember how.
Cheers,
Mike
Normhart, I now see what you mean by this issue although I must confess that it is not one that has ever really troubled me. I have, since layers became first available in Trainz, used them to overcome any such difficulties and the use of layers also offers other advantages. I do not create sessions using other peoples routes so I have never had any issues there either.
I don't know if this is an issue that would rate highly with many developers (speaking for myself here) as there are adequate, if less direct, work-arounds available and there are other more pressing issues that need fixes. We will have to wait and see when SP2 comes out.
I don't know if this is an issue that would rate highly with many developers (speaking for myself here) as there are adequate, if less direct, work-arounds available and there are other more pressing issues that need fixes. We will have to wait and see when SP2 comes out.
Yeah, I kinda figured since I do not remember anyone else bringing up this issue. I'll keep hammering on it and see if I can come up with a reasonable work-a-round.
Kennilworth
Active member
Hi
Would it work if you created a base session, with the industries set up, on a route in TS12 and then move it into the same route in T:ANE? I have done this with SCS2013 sessions that were written in TS12 and they work in T:ANE (SCS2013 is unable to write sessions in T:ANE). The critical thing for SCS2013 sessions to work is that both routes are identical but it may not be that essential just for a base session to set industries up for a normal session.
Regards
Brian
Would it work if you created a base session, with the industries set up, on a route in TS12 and then move it into the same route in T:ANE? I have done this with SCS2013 sessions that were written in TS12 and they work in T:ANE (SCS2013 is unable to write sessions in T:ANE). The critical thing for SCS2013 sessions to work is that both routes are identical but it may not be that essential just for a base session to set industries up for a normal session.
Regards
Brian
Let me clarify the problem. The problem is not that authors of routes will have problems creating sessions for their own routes (although some will, take a look at the hoops Phil had to jump through to get industries working in his Lilliput Logger route as described above).
The problem is that if you (not being Phil) want to create a session for Lilliput Logger that you want to share on the DLS you will find it difficult, if not impossible, to set some industries up.
The situation is worse for all the hundreds of routes produced prior to TANE since they are set up with the expectation that you would be able to set the industry properties.
Furthermore because you can no longer access industries masked by scenery assets this severely limits where route creators can put assets and what assets they can use.
Look at what Phil had to do to get slugsmasher's log deck working under a spar tree. He ended up using what had been an interactive, animated, and versatile industry as a scenery object and adding more scenery objects to make it look like it was working. Then he had to add a Multi-Industry-New (MIN) and set the properties on that to mimic the operation of the original log deck without the interactive animation.
It just ain't right. :'(
The problem is that if you (not being Phil) want to create a session for Lilliput Logger that you want to share on the DLS you will find it difficult, if not impossible, to set some industries up.
The situation is worse for all the hundreds of routes produced prior to TANE since they are set up with the expectation that you would be able to set the industry properties.
Furthermore because you can no longer access industries masked by scenery assets this severely limits where route creators can put assets and what assets they can use.
Look at what Phil had to do to get slugsmasher's log deck working under a spar tree. He ended up using what had been an interactive, animated, and versatile industry as a scenery object and adding more scenery objects to make it look like it was working. Then he had to add a Multi-Industry-New (MIN) and set the properties on that to mimic the operation of the original log deck without the interactive animation.
It just ain't right. :'(
I'm wondering if the radius of the pointer has been changed in TANE. I've noticed other effects that were less likely to happen in earlier versions.
For instant, using the #2 camera looks back at a switch after your train has passed- clicking the switch will sometimes move the camera down the train rather than change the switch.
For instant, using the #2 camera looks back at a switch after your train has passed- clicking the switch will sometimes move the camera down the train rather than change the switch.
Or, as I have noticed, it jumps to another consist nearer the switch. Sometimes (it seems to depend on how far away your point of view is), when you move the cursor onto the switch instead of seeing the red-green arrows you will see the tooltip message about holding down the CTRL key and clicking to view properties - the message you get to view the proprties of a rail car. Clicking then jumps you to that consist.
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I've opened a bug report ticket on this issue and referenced MountE's and pware's recent speculation. It seems very likely to me that you guys have put your finger on the cause of the problem. Whether we see a fix in SP2 remains to be seen, it probably depends on the ease of the fix.
Thanks for your help.
Thanks for your help.
I've been watching this thread for a while and would like to proffer a suggestion that may or may not work:
In a session based on a route on the DLS, an object in the route layer can be bound to a layer other that its original one.
In the case of a MIN under a Spar tree try this:
In your session, create a new session layer, call it Mask.
Hide the Mask layer.
Select the Spar tree and bind it to the mask layer.
The Spar tree should now be hidden, enabling access to the MIN.
Once you have finished the industry settings, Show the Mask layer again.
Please post what your findings are. Does this method work for a route downloaded from DLS?
Trevor
In a session based on a route on the DLS, an object in the route layer can be bound to a layer other that its original one.
In the case of a MIN under a Spar tree try this:
In your session, create a new session layer, call it Mask.
Hide the Mask layer.
Select the Spar tree and bind it to the mask layer.
The Spar tree should now be hidden, enabling access to the MIN.
Once you have finished the industry settings, Show the Mask layer again.
Please post what your findings are. Does this method work for a route downloaded from DLS?
Trevor
Well that worked in my test route. I'll give it a try on the route I am working on now.
Edit: Yup that works and apparently does not affect the route. It is more time consuming, especially when working with 30 or so mines but doable.
Instead of showing the mask layer I just deleted it. Not sure if that will cause problems yet.
Thanks Trevor!
I am still hoping they fix the mouse pointer radius since it would help with other problems as well as speeding up session creation.
Edit: Yup that works and apparently does not affect the route. It is more time consuming, especially when working with 30 or so mines but doable.
Instead of showing the mask layer I just deleted it. Not sure if that will cause problems yet.
Thanks Trevor!
I am still hoping they fix the mouse pointer radius since it would help with other problems as well as speeding up session creation.
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You want to make sure you bind the asset you want to disappear to the mask layer not move it to either session layer.
@ normhart - Deleting the mask layer is fine but if you want to make more changes to the MIN then you'll need to create the layer again. You can upload the session to the DLS and leaving the layer in place means that other users can also access the industry if they are aware of the significance of the mask layer.
That's how I would use it.
Trevor
That's how I would use it.
Trevor
Makes sense to me. In my second attempt I ended up creating and deleting the mask layer two or three times as I realized that I needed to check settings and change settings on the three mines I'm working with. Just leaving it in would be easier.
I did that. Made a MASK layer. Hid it. Then hit the building covering the MIN with the ? and changed the binding to the MASK layer and it disappeared from the scene allowing me to get the MIN. I edited the MIN, then changed the binding back to the route and deleted the MASK layer. Went to save and get "new route and session or overwrite old ones". I am on the Murrysville & Western route, same author as the WM&O.
blueodessey
Well-known member
Just my 2 cents,
What a spirited debate to watch and learn from, we are lucky to have you folks to figure the arcane things between Trainz Versions and share them here with us. I am indebted to you.
What a spirited debate to watch and learn from, we are lucky to have you folks to figure the arcane things between Trainz Versions and share them here with us. I am indebted to you.
Hum, RJ just making sure, are you definitely in Create Session or Edit Session?
Also make very sure you do not move anything on the route layer.
Just to check you might try entering Create Session and exiting without doing anything or adding a boxcar or something. I've seen some routes that force a save route no matter what for some reason.
Edit Ah! "Changed the binding back to the route" Everything I've looked at had no binding and when I deleted the mask they reverted to no binding.
Are you changing the Bound Layer? The one that says <none> in this screenie?
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