Secret links in RRmods?

[Carfreak4]

I'm not saying the poster did anything wrong, in fact he didn't, I'm just saying this should probably be put to rest soon to avoid further ugliness and things getting out of hand. I have witnessed plenty of threads like this getting off-topic, out of hand, and turning into cyber fights. I'm just hoping it doesn't happen here.

Carfreak4

 

[wholbr]

I'm not saying the poster did anything wrong, in fact he didn't, I'm just saying this should probably be put to rest soon to avoid further ugliness and things getting out of hand. I have witnessed plenty of threads like this getting off-topic, out of hand, and turning into cyber fights. I'm just hoping it doesn't happen here.
Carfreak4

Hi Carfreak4 and everybody.
I accept what you are saying and I am genuinely not trying to start a " cyber fight ". what I am trying to emphasize is the need for payware operators to provide a professional operation to people visiting their websites.

There have been recently a number of postings in various threads where forum members have complained about poor service from some payware content creators. In one case a member advised that he has been waiting two years for a commission he has paid for in advance.

In providing poor service or poor quality products these creators leave not only disillusioned customers behind them but they also bring the name of Trainz and Auran into disrepute. Imagine if you were a new user of Trainz having set up your software and got it running smoothly and then decide to purchase some payware content you seen on the forum.

If that content turned out to be rubbish or the service provided by the content site is poor would you then go on to buy the next version of Trainz, or would you be disillusioned and decide that you wish to have nothing further to do with Auran or Trainz.

It's as simple as that

Bill

 

[on30gn15]

Speaking of payware, that Illinois Terminal SD39 looks pretty good.
That operating cab doors and windows feature is a pretty neat idea.

There's about five bucks in PayPal - here we go, only the second time I've done anything with PayPal.

 

[sawyer811]

my two cents

okay, on30ng, that's what carfreak was warning about. you're gettin' kinda off topic.

In any case, I get wanting money for your product, in fact if i had to slave over a computer for weeks i so i could have a certain engine i'd probably make it payware too. But what isn't fair is to make an engine freeware then decide, at least a year later if not more after posting it (at least with the SD-45s, longer with the SD40-2s) to remove it and make it payware. It's your model and i get that you have the right to do whatever you want with it, but that doesn't make sense. In a way its like going back on your word.

If they go Payware (and personally i'm not sure some of the SD40-2s are payware quality) so be it, just don't expect me to come 'round RRmods anymore. I don't disagree with payware even though i will never buy it, i believe it's the creator's right to choose what he will release his content as, but i do disagree with changing a freeware model to payware willly-nilly without so much as a warning.

One Confused/angry trainzer.

 

[on30gn15]

I dunno, it's kind of a standard thing in the retail wold that "Prices are subject to change without notice".

Maybe it can be said to apply with electronic content too, maybe not.

Probably another one of those things which are perfectly legal but can appear impolite. Life seems to have those in abundance.

Aw hell, do I really have any idea what we're talking about? I'm going to go play with my toys, later.

 

[sawyer811]

yeah, they can do what they want, but you're right, it is a bit impolite. If i have to buy them as payware, well, maybe that won't be such a bad thing. The Milwaukee SD-45s are amazing and well worth a few bucks, and i'll be needing them with TS2010 in my future:wave:

 

[gisa]

Wow you guys are something else...

Okay I was playing with the address bar at rrmods.com I went into a payware SD40-2 page. I then found:
BN SD40-2
C&NW SD40-2
ATSF SD40-2
HLCX blue SD40-2

FOR FREE

Correct me if there's a link from the home page. please.

Seriously? ?! What were you thinking when you posted this? Why didn't you just PM Joe or something? You even posted the links too...

This is the equivalent and snooping through someones personal items and then posting it publicly on top of that. If I wanted them to be available they would be on our download pages. Thanks for pointing this out though.

110% agree. While Joe should have removed the links, you could have been kind enough to PM him in private about the matter instead of posting it in a public forum, with links.

You should of known better to put items on the internet that you did not want found. Nothing is safe on the internet, I do not pity you.

JRT

So then by your logic, no one should use the Internet to post anything revealing because nothing is safe there. I suppose businesses that have computers shouldn't connect to the Internet because someone could hack something there as well. I'm sure businesses don't want others to see their financial records.

He made a mistake. Life gets in the way, he gets busy.

Hi There Everybody.
In my view it is a very poor site anyway and if you want no one to see parts of it, either remove the content or don't put you on their in the first place.

Having purchased a product from this the site the other week, I found after payment I could not download the item and then it was only achieved after posting on this forum about my problems.

Without doubt the whole site and operation of this business needs to step up a gear

Bill

That's your opinion but has nothing to do with this thread. If you have an issue with the site or the product, you should post your feelings in a separate thread instead. Better yet, PM Joe about it. I bet he'll be happy to work with your towards fixing your issue.

But then after reading your problem, I'm a bit baffled because I don't understand what your beef is? ? You had a problem, so you went to the forum, posted your problem which got solved because you got your product. I bet you got the loco within 24 hours right? That's pretty good customer service if you ask me and I can say from my "personal experience" that when a mistake was made (I got the wrong pack) Joe quickly fixed the error by sending me the proper one.

100% right amigacooke. With this organization it would seem that it is the customer or potential customer that is always in the wrong.

would seem to be very strange business logic.
Bill

I don't know the particulars about your issue, but I disagree. Ask anyone who knows Joe and they'll tell you he's willing to fix a problem fast, is respectful to a customer and is even kind enough to cut a deal (in the case you buy several locomotives of differing skins but of the same type). He worked with me over several days to try to help me find an issue I was having with a locomotive. While we didn't find the issue, I was touched to know he was trying to help me out personally. My posts are still there at rrmods if anyone thinks I'm lying:

http://rrmods.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=982

Hi There.
Before we "put this to bed" I believe the forum member who was addressed as a "snooper" should receive an apology. The person or people running this site are selling payware. They are looking to receive money from people for the products that they advertise. Therefore potential customers have every right to look around all aspects of the site to try to ensure they will receive value for money before handing over their hard-earned cash.

Should somebody create freeware content for Trainz and then place it on the download station or any website for others to access and download then any problems encountered by people trying to download that content is fair enough. After all they are looking to get something for free and should possibly expect problems as it is not a commercial operation.

However, payware is a different matter. In advertising payware you are setting up a commercial operation expecting to get money from the general public. Therefore the general public has a right to expect good service, fair treatment and quality products. I certainly would not expect to be called "a snooper" just for trying to ensure that it will receive the above treatment and services.

As I stated in my earlier posting, this organization needs to step up a gear in its approach to its potential customers, actual customers and all round standard of service it provides.

Bill

While it was kind of Legolistics to point out the error, the manner in which it was done was not acceptable. Joe's analogy is correct and I'd feel infuriated if I were him, even if I did make the mistake because of the way it was done. Playing around with the link doesn't seem accidental in my opinion either...it's more akin to snooping.

Legolistics said nothing about considering buying anything so we shouldn't assume he was doing research per se.

Anyhow, Legolistics has apologized for that and has hopefully come away with something.

Again, you purchased a product, had an issue, reported it, got your product...how do you come away with such a negative view towards the site? I've gone through much worse personally in trying to get something I've purchased in the past...

Gisa

 

[motorbreath]

okay, on30ng, that's what carfreak was warning about. you're gettin' kinda off topic.

In any case, I get wanting money for your product, in fact if i had to slave over a computer for weeks i so i could have a certain engine i'd probably make it payware too. But what isn't fair is to make an engine freeware then decide, at least a year later if not more after posting it (at least with the SD-45s, longer with the SD40-2s) to remove it and make it payware. It's your model and i get that you have the right to do whatever you want with it, but that doesn't make sense. In a way its like going back on your word.

If they go Payware (and personally i'm not sure some of the SD40-2s are payware quality) so be it, just don't expect me to come 'round RRmods anymore. I don't disagree with payware even though i will never buy it, i believe it's the creator's right to choose what he will release his content as, but i do disagree with changing a freeware model to payware willly-nilly without so much as a warning.

One Confused/angry trainzer.

Just a note on this without attacking anyone. Any of the locos that have been removed from freeware are old models that were not considered to be up to par with the current standards. The old models are not just changed from freeware to payware. The payware versions are new and up to standard and look amazing. Very few places if any at all offer that amount of freeware at that quality for fans of North American content.

 

[wholbr]

Again, you purchased a product, had an issue, reported it, got your product...how do you come away with such a negative view towards the site? Gisa

Hi everybody.
I think we should put this matter to rest but the above quote I believe sums up my argument for me. Yes, I did buy a product from the site, and then I had an issue with that product. But that is my very point, I should not have had an issue.

This is payware and a professional organization had took my payment and then had not deliverd the service or goods as promised. I therefore have every right to feel aggrieved with that provider. It has been stated that I should have privately e-mailed the provider outlining my grievances. Why should I do that, the product was advertised on this forum which is why I bought it, should I not then advise the forum of the failure of the provider as after all he is deriving his income from the members of this community.

I do not believe that when a payware content provider fails in their service they should be protected. As I stated in an earlier posting on this thread there has been a number of members complaining of poor service or products from payware providers in one case a member has advised he has been waiting two years for a commission he has paid for in advance.

Therefore it is only fair to other potential buyers from these providers that they at least have knowledge of previous problems with the content or service. Provided the information posted is fair and accurate I believe it creates a very good way of monitoring and ensuring that people selling through this forum stay up to the mark and provide good quality content and service.

Before entering semi-retirement there was a big message on the wall in the main office where my work was organized from. It stated, get it right, first-time, on time, every time. Okay we were dealing with people safety in the road haulage industry so the message being adhered to was very important.

However, I have always believed that it is not a bad code of conduct for all organizations and industries to adhere with, this includes the software industry which worldwide seems to sadly run way behind everybody else in this field.

Bill

 

[RRSignal]

So then by your logic, no one should use the Internet to post anything revealing because nothing is safe there. I suppose businesses that have computers shouldn't connect to the Internet because someone could hack something there as well. I'm sure businesses don't want others to see their financial records.

Correct, they shouldn't if they want to keep something absolutely safe. Seeing as I'm in the infosec business, I'm amazed that people still don't understand what the internet is: A means for computers around the world to connect to each other. It never ceases to amaze me what people and businesses put online, leaving it up to security software and hardware to (hopefully) keep it safe.

Plenty of people and businesses DO keep sensitive stuff on non-internet connected computers, including yours truly. That's one of the reasons businesses are hanging on to XP: Because it doesn't require an internet connection to function.

 

[legolistic]

Hey how do i close this thread?

 

[SantaFebuff]

Hey how do i close this thread?

*insert facepalm*

That's a moderator/administrator only feature.

Cheers,
Joshua

 

[JRT]

So then by your logic, no one should use the Internet to post anything revealing because nothing is safe there. I suppose businesses that have computers shouldn't connect to the Internet because someone could hack something there as well. I'm sure businesses don't want others to see their financial records.

He made a mistake. Life gets in the way, he gets busy.

Gisa

I was saying, if you did not want anyone to find it at all, then why put them on the server. This is a case of using the same logic for to different scenarios. It just does not work.

Cheers,
JRT

Edit: Oh, thank you RRSignal...

 

[Cozmo®]

Here is what amazes me. The poster of the thread was in the wrong whether he knew it or not. No biggie, life goes on. So "someone" had a problem, it does happen, no one is perfect. Try making a site, keeping it as up to date as possible, send out emails for purchases that arent in the auto-download feature yet, keep modeling, texturing and all the other stuff Joram does almost entirely by himself for you all so YOU CAN ENJOY THE GAME. Just try it, I guarantee you cannot or will not have the patience for it. You all(not all just cant be specific) seriously just amaze me, this is a hobby for him, not a job. If you have a problem, try to be professional and keep it private like most people will do. If it doesnt get resolved, then take it public and let other people know what is going on. Idiots like some in this thread are what killed this forum and what turn people away from making future content for this game. Blah blah blah I know I'll get some dumb ass reply which I wont read. Here's my 2 cents, try to use it.

 

[gp792]

I agree with you Cozmo, there are too many hackers out there. It's like this scenario, visit and see if it is true, but don't download anything cause it would be wrong.