screen recorder woes. any ideas??

[dougtrain]

Hi Ron - You were asking about the cars sinking into the bridge and I notice from your video that you have a road surface with a white line down it on the underside?!. Something is not right there as in "upside down" or is that just because it is Australia :hehe:

Doug

 

[misterchugg]

hi Doug
just got the laptop back
yep. down under we are, just like the bridge road.
i'm still looking for better bridges for ipswich, but had no luck sofar

cheers
Ron

 

[AussiePaul]

Hi Ron yeah its working for me now. Lots of fun there!
Cheers,
Paul

 

[misterchugg]

great to hear

 

[misterchugg]

screen recording conversion

hi mates

gadwin is still the best recording medium
clear see and no weird shadows, but unfortunately still too large at 16.5 gb for 1 1/2 hours of recording

obs recording is good, but will only work correctly once out of 30 tries, so i gave that away.
i tried both 64 bit and 32 bit with every possible thing it had in it

ffs conversion
ffs is no good it brings the file down to about 850mb, but its very wishy washy
i tired every possible combination out of the huge choice,
all without luck

will now go on to the next on the list and see what i can do with it

thanks for all the help sofar

i will again , post when i have more news

Ron

 

[steamboateng]

I think it's a given that MP4 is the current standard for video, especially if your going to upload to U-Tube. A good 1080p recording is going to cost Gb's. No way around that; the codec and the resolution are the ultimate determining factors. Your video will never be any better than the compression codec and resolution you shoot it in. Taking a 720p MP4 video and editing it to a 1080p MP4 video won't help either. (Don't ask me how I know this!) Video's, particularly HD vid's are large memory sinks by nature.
The keyword here is resolution, in pixels. If you want detail, its going to cost memory.
I kind of think of it like this.............I want to show you all a good vid of my route. To me, as I watch it on my computer, it's a great juicy steak I'm serving up. (I will assure you that it is!) However, once I start recording, it goes through a grinder; rendering only hamburg! It's going to come out hamburg, no matter what. I can only control the quality of that hamburg. Newtonian physics has confirmed that 1lb. of choice siirloin going into the grinder = 1 lb. of ground beef coming out of the grinder......agreed?
However, it's not the same steak coming out of the grinder, it's all broken up into little pieces (digitized) and some of the pieces are missing (compression). If I use a 480p grinder I might only get a half pound of ground beef back, A 780p grinder will give me more, and a 1080p grinder will give me even more. But I will never, ever, get a full pound of ground beef from that 1lb. steak.
Well, where did all that other beef go? Look down and pat Poochie, (woof, woof) he got it, and you ain't never gonna see it again.

 

[pware]

.... However, once I start recording, it goes through a grinder; rendering only hamburg! It's going to come out hamburg, no matter what.

Having recently (earlier this year) been to Hamburg Germany, I can assure readers that it is nothing like ground beefsteak. If you are there I would recommend that you try the local dish, Labskaut. Not beefsteak but raw fish on a bed of mashed beetroot and pickle and a fried egg.

PS. The beer is also very good.

 

[steamboateng]

O.K. that was a bad analogy. The point is, however, that unless one goes for very expensive software, the resolution the video is taken in, and the codec used, is a limiting factor. One can never improve the original recording. Any attempt to minimize the memory load will only result in a recording at less detail than the original.
I've been to Germany many, many times.; never tried the raw fish, but I found the bratwurst, mustard, and saurkrout to be a top notch snack. The beer, of course, is excellent.

 

[pware]

It was a very good analogy and perfectly explained the issue. But I am sure you meant to say Hamburger, not Hamburg.

 

[steamboateng]

I always appreciate a linguistic transcription from the literate amongst us. My oversight. However, here in the US a singular hamburger is ......well, a hamburg, in the coloquial sense. Multiple hamburgers may be hamburgs, or hamburgers.
A raw fish, whether in the US, Germany or Australia, is still a raw fish. Quite taste dependent.
Let's make no mistake here; literate folk are my favorite kind.
Y'all come back now. Ya' hear!
Well, matey, if I ken!
Ahy! Carrry on!

 

[pware]

However, here in the US a singular hamburger is ......well, a hamburg, in the coloquial sense. Multiple hamburgers may be hamburgs, or hamburgers.

Well it seems that you are never too old to learn some new linguistic tricks. As Winton Churchill famously remarked, "The Americans and British are two peoples separated by a common language" (or words to that effect).

 

[norfolksouthern37]

you wouldn't want to record the screen live and compress it at the same time, it would take way too many resources away from the main application you are trying to record and cause it to play badly.


as a side note, except for steamboteng I have never heard a hamburger called a 'hamburg' ever in the US, I would say with certainty that 'hamburger' is used much more often.

 

[steamboateng]

Indeed!
As far as I know, recording software records to the developer's own format. A second step is required to convert to the more popular formats (codecs) such as wmv and mp4. My humble machine would surely choke and trip out from the workload!
Besides that, there is an editing process to consider when putting together a video. If possible , this is better done in the pre-processing phase, where effects can be added and mistakes edited out. A Trainz video, if well done, would show no mouse manipulations, as most actions can be controlled from the AI Driver and the keyboard. It drives me nuts when I watch some U-Tube hacks include their mistakes and boo-boos in a finished vid, My time is important too, and watching a noob stumble about the screen, leaving mouse poop, multiple screen changes and quirky dialog all over the place, is not how I wish to spend my video sharing experience.

 

[pware]

It drives me nuts when I watch some U-Tube hacks include their mistakes and boo-boos in a finished vid, My time is important too, and watching a noob stumble about the screen, leaving mouse poop, multiple screen changes and quirky dialog all over the place, is not how I wish to spend my video sharing experience.

Agreed. Also annoying is the background music that many of them insist in adding to their videos, to the point where it drowns out their commentary and lets not get to the issue of their choice of music.

 

[Zeldaboy14]

Seeing how I can speak from experience with recording video's and such, it takes time, and to make it look professional can either be hard or easy. Here's one of my examples which is my most recent trainz remake video:

 

[steamboateng]

That is a fine video, Zeldaboy. It's coherent and to the point. Thomas and Friends is not quite what I had in mid when referencing Trainz videos, but it's a good example.
Making Trainz videos aren't difficult, but there are enough folks out there who do it; so it may deserve holding a thread open for them.

 

[misterchugg]

hi all

thanks for all your helping opinions.

so far gadwin is still the best to record it. it record clear and nice sound too.
but it uses 17 odd gb
i think i will live with that
the museums and the libraries will have to put up with it too

question????
should i put an intro and show station names as the train stops or travels through??

thanks
ron

 

[steamboateng]

How you direct your video is entirely your choice. What you include or don't include, in my opinion, would be dependent on what you want the vid to highlight; or the impression you want it to leave. Who is going to watch it? A video made for a bunch of hardcore Trainzer's would not be the same as something one would offer to a museum or library. If a video is based on a prototype, with geographical accurate content, then audio or written names could be appropriate. Don't forget, stations have name boards. A short intro could work, but an appropriate tittle page could say much too.
On the technical side, I have questions. How long (minutes) is your video? What codec are you producing the finished video in? While Gadwin is the recording format, the video should be produced in a common codec, like avi, wmv, or mp4, which media players can read. I use 1080p mp4, which produces at about 65-75 mb per minute of video; or 18-20 minutes of video per gigabite. At 17 gigs, you can record a trip from Sydney to Brisbane and still have time left for a good lunch!

 

[misterchugg]

hi
steamboateng

what i have done is to recreate a railway line that was closed in 1964. the rails were pulled up in the same year.
i have done this as accurate as i could to show what it looked like in approx 1950

see this map

https://app.box.com/s/tlz1lfc1zzq9m1u1vqx27meywaa4iipv

your other questions, i hope these screens can answer them

https://app.box.com/s/geaxuy91qoyy2cr8xma7elutilnbrdgh
https://app.box.com/s/ngm4027vjhw7igommkqhg4nycqh1h1vu
https://app.box.com/s/wikpbfpniljuid9kloinllym3y74sqm0

i have no idea how to get this smaller and still show it in enough quality to be clear and legible
i have tried all sorts of conversion programs, none of which do the job correctly

the title page sounds good, but i have to work out what the best way to write it is

i will also speak with the museum and library people to see what they suggest

unfortunately all the old drivers and other rail employees who had given me info, are now gone to the other great train yard


thanks
Ron

 

[steamboateng]

From what I can see , according to the info you provided above, your finished video is in wmv (codec) format, which is the format developed by MS years ago. The finished recording is 1600 x 900 px resolution. That's a pretty good resolution and should show detail well. Only MP4 1080p is larger, amongst the common formats. A 17.1 Gb wmv video must run for hours. What is the full time on your vid, in hours and minutes.
Sorry for late reply; flu bug running rampant here........

regards
Mike