Baureihe41
Banned
When will the route competition from a few years back be judged and the prizes given to the winner?
RE: Trainz Session-Creation Competition
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When will the route competition from a few years back be judged and the prizes given to the winner?
jadebullet
might be back?
How do we mark a session as one for the competition?
The only stated requirement is for you to submit the session to the DLS prior to the cut-off date. We will post to the Announcements forum if there's any confusion, so keep your eyes open.
chris
Baureihe41
Banned
Typical of your behaviour ... just ignore the difficult questions. Come on ... when will the winner of the route competition be announced and the winner awarded with the $1000.00 you promised?
I can not believe that anybody here on the forums is falling again for this scam. they have pulled it off before people.
jadebullet
might be back?
Okay, cool thanks.
This presents a conundrum - for there are no novel game play elements built in to 2010.
I have a question whats considered built-in?
Because when you go to the filter and have built-in=true you get all the route packs and DLC that you might have gotten.
For example
I have the Blue Comet, Murchison Add-on and SnC Add-on and they show up as Built-in to TS 2010.
hert:wave:
EDIT: Since my question wasnt answered in my post on page 1. What about the Springfield Industrial District Route its two exit portals are missing broken from SP3!!!
Because when you go to the filter and have built-in=true you get all the route packs and DLC that you might have gotten.
For example
I have the Blue Comet, Murchison Add-on and SnC Add-on and they show up as Built-in to TS 2010.
hert:wave:
EDIT: Since my question wasnt answered in my post on page 1. What about the Springfield Industrial District Route its two exit portals are missing broken from SP3!!!
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Sorry, I don't understand what you are saying. How is this contest any different in that regard to anything else you upload to the DLS. You are aware that uploading to the DLS gives Auran/N3V the right to include your work in future releases of Trainz.
William
Wreeder
Yes you are right, Auran has rights, but the trainzers have not.
So if anyone use my sessions as a base for his session and make money with this(e.g. get the prize in the contest), then the authors rights are questionable as i said in example. Of course, there is no problem if my work is used for not commercial purpose, I shared my work and effort so the others can enjoy and learn, but not for make money with this.
regards
celje
Auran/N3V treat this statement as a warning to you too. You must respect the international law.
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Of course they do, and we have always been active in enforcing the content creators' rights when a violation is brought to our attention in a platform that we can control.
This is very simple. Pirated content is not permitted on the DLS. Users known to be engaging in willful piracy are banned from our community.
If something occurs in a forum which is outside our control, then it is up to the rights owner to take action. There is nothing that N3V can do on their behalf.
kind regards,
chris
Hello WindWalkr
We are talking about authors rights, not piracy, can you comment your Auran/N3V obligations in this case. Are you the responsible person for such kind of discussion?
regards
celje
Yes, I'm talking about breaches of copyright law.
Our obligation is the same as everyone else's: to avoid distributing materials without the rights owner's permission. We have a fairly good record in this area, although there have been occasions where a third party has provided an item to us and we have distributed it in good faith, only to later determine that the provider did not in fact have distribution rights. This is a rare occurrence, and we have acted quickly to correct any such issues that have been brought to our attention.
I am an agent of the company.
chris
Good day, hello again WindWlker
The subject of our discuss is :
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Originally Posted by celje
Wreeder
I don't think that's so simple.
Example: you made something and someone unknown sold this and make money.
It has nothing to do with enter or don't enter in the contest.
Where are the authors rights then.
Sorry, I don't understand what you are saying. How is this contest any different in that regard to anything else you upload to the DLS. You are aware that uploading to the DLS gives Auran/N3V the right to include your work in future releases of Trainz.
Yes you are right, Auran has rights, but the trainzers have not.
So if anyone use my sessions as a base for his session and make money with this(e.g. get the prize in the contest), then the authors rights are questionable as i said in example. Of course, there is no problem if my work is used for not commercial purpose, I shared my work and effort so the others can enjoy and learn, but not for make money with this.
Auran/N3V treat this statement as a warning to you too. You must respect the international law.
Of course one question is still open, when the rights of Auran starts''
WindWalkr please be so kind, stay with subject and answer on this dilemma.
The subject of our discuss is :
''
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Originally Posted by celje
Wreeder
I don't think that's so simple.
Example: you made something and someone unknown sold this and make money.
It has nothing to do with enter or don't enter in the contest.
Where are the authors rights then.
Sorry, I don't understand what you are saying. How is this contest any different in that regard to anything else you upload to the DLS. You are aware that uploading to the DLS gives Auran/N3V the right to include your work in future releases of Trainz.
Yes you are right, Auran has rights, but the trainzers have not.
So if anyone use my sessions as a base for his session and make money with this(e.g. get the prize in the contest), then the authors rights are questionable as i said in example. Of course, there is no problem if my work is used for not commercial purpose, I shared my work and effort so the others can enjoy and learn, but not for make money with this.
Auran/N3V treat this statement as a warning to you too. You must respect the international law.
Of course one question is still open, when the rights of Auran starts''
WindWalkr please be so kind, stay with subject and answer on this dilemma.
Good evening
I think it's time for help you now.
Law is the strange ''thing''. Wreeder used a good term: ''uploading to the DLS gives Auran/N3V the right to include your work in future releases of Trainz.'' This is the specific situation and possibility to make a mistake is big enough. I said that the authors rights are questionable in this situation.
You have two solutions:
1. upgrade the Avery and ECML routes and include my sessions and they become the builtin sessions
or
2. the easily solution, make the statement that my sessions are treats as a builtin sessions.
With this act you become the owner and all my rights expire. Then everyone can do whatever he wish with my sessions.
Proceed your good work on this beautiful simulation.
regards
celje
I think it's time for help you now.
Law is the strange ''thing''. Wreeder used a good term: ''uploading to the DLS gives Auran/N3V the right to include your work in future releases of Trainz.'' This is the specific situation and possibility to make a mistake is big enough. I said that the authors rights are questionable in this situation.
You have two solutions:
1. upgrade the Avery and ECML routes and include my sessions and they become the builtin sessions
or
2. the easily solution, make the statement that my sessions are treats as a builtin sessions.
With this act you become the owner and all my rights expire. Then everyone can do whatever he wish with my sessions.
Proceed your good work on this beautiful simulation.
regards
celje
Hi celje,
If I understand you correctly, you're referring to the DLS EULA? We spell out the rights fairly clearly in that document. Put simply, if you choose to upload content to the DLS, you are granting Auran the right to distribute that content. If you don't wish us to redistribute your content, don't upload to our DLS (and obviously, that excludes you from participating in this competition.)
chris
If I understand you correctly, you're referring to the DLS EULA? We spell out the rights fairly clearly in that document. Put simply, if you choose to upload content to the DLS, you are granting Auran the right to distribute that content. If you don't wish us to redistribute your content, don't upload to our DLS (and obviously, that excludes you from participating in this competition.)
chris
Celje,
I haven't been able to find a copy of the DLS EULA (not having a copy of Trainz, I can't register on the DLS) but I'm guessing the story is something like this:
When you upload something to the DLS you transfer the intellectual property rights to Auran. You then have no rights to profit from that intellectual property, or control what is done with it, only Auran does. If a third party should profit from it, that is a matter between Auran and that 3rd party, it has nothing to do with you.
This wouldn't matter if there was no, or limited, potential to profit from that intellectual property. Also if the only way to profit from it was to sell a product, where the seller has a lot to lose by getting caught infringing others' rights. It's only become a problem because someone (happens to be Auran, but it doesn't matter who) is now offering a substantial cash prize. If you have surrendered your intellectual property rights to Auran on what you have previously uploaded then if someone wins $1,000 from Auran by doing 5 minutes' additional work on one of your previous uploads, from a legal standpoint that is Auran's loss, not yours. You can make no claim against the prizewinner. The problem of theft of intellectual property is entirely Auran's, it's completely out of your hands, even though you are the one who has suffered most from it.
As a volunteer developer I would not agree to hand over intellectual property rights for free, as a matter of principle. I also wouldn't do it on the off-chance that I might win a prize, again as a matter of principle. If I was guaranteed to receive a share of any profit made then I would have no problem with it. I naturally presumed that freelance developers whose routes etc were included in the Trainz product would receive royalty payments, but it's now dawning on me that they must be receiving nothing. From a business perspective it makes no sense to me to pay no reward to proven committed contributors, and then splash out on rewarding an individual who may have never made, or ever make in future, any other contribution to the product. Auran is doubtless visualising a flood of new session content in time for Christmas, and short-term cash-flow, whereas I'm visualising a concerned and disgruntled volunteer developer community, and the risk this presents to the long-term success of the Trainz franchise. What kind of developer community Auran wants is up to Auran, not us. We only have to decide whether to buy, and then perhaps donate or sell content for, the product.
As I see it Celje, you can half-solve this problem by publishing your work elsewhere, either on your own website (yes, people will find it), or on sites like train-sim.com where developers retain intellectual property rights. This doesn't physically prevent someone downloading your work from there and submitting it to Auran and winning a prize, but they will have violated your intellectual property rights in doing so. In practice you could only find out that this had happened after the prizemoney had been awarded, and your chances of getting that money back from the winner - who is probably in another country - would be about zero. It's not like you could claim damages from them either, because you won't have lost sales, only the prizemoney. To completely solve the problem, either sell your work so you profit from it, or don't spend your volunteer effort on things that others can exploit.
I haven't been able to find a copy of the DLS EULA (not having a copy of Trainz, I can't register on the DLS) but I'm guessing the story is something like this:
When you upload something to the DLS you transfer the intellectual property rights to Auran. You then have no rights to profit from that intellectual property, or control what is done with it, only Auran does. If a third party should profit from it, that is a matter between Auran and that 3rd party, it has nothing to do with you.
This wouldn't matter if there was no, or limited, potential to profit from that intellectual property. Also if the only way to profit from it was to sell a product, where the seller has a lot to lose by getting caught infringing others' rights. It's only become a problem because someone (happens to be Auran, but it doesn't matter who) is now offering a substantial cash prize. If you have surrendered your intellectual property rights to Auran on what you have previously uploaded then if someone wins $1,000 from Auran by doing 5 minutes' additional work on one of your previous uploads, from a legal standpoint that is Auran's loss, not yours. You can make no claim against the prizewinner. The problem of theft of intellectual property is entirely Auran's, it's completely out of your hands, even though you are the one who has suffered most from it.
As a volunteer developer I would not agree to hand over intellectual property rights for free, as a matter of principle. I also wouldn't do it on the off-chance that I might win a prize, again as a matter of principle. If I was guaranteed to receive a share of any profit made then I would have no problem with it. I naturally presumed that freelance developers whose routes etc were included in the Trainz product would receive royalty payments, but it's now dawning on me that they must be receiving nothing. From a business perspective it makes no sense to me to pay no reward to proven committed contributors, and then splash out on rewarding an individual who may have never made, or ever make in future, any other contribution to the product. Auran is doubtless visualising a flood of new session content in time for Christmas, and short-term cash-flow, whereas I'm visualising a concerned and disgruntled volunteer developer community, and the risk this presents to the long-term success of the Trainz franchise. What kind of developer community Auran wants is up to Auran, not us. We only have to decide whether to buy, and then perhaps donate or sell content for, the product.
As I see it Celje, you can half-solve this problem by publishing your work elsewhere, either on your own website (yes, people will find it), or on sites like train-sim.com where developers retain intellectual property rights. This doesn't physically prevent someone downloading your work from there and submitting it to Auran and winning a prize, but they will have violated your intellectual property rights in doing so. In practice you could only find out that this had happened after the prizemoney had been awarded, and your chances of getting that money back from the winner - who is probably in another country - would be about zero. It's not like you could claim damages from them either, because you won't have lost sales, only the prizemoney. To completely solve the problem, either sell your work so you profit from it, or don't spend your volunteer effort on things that others can exploit.
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We're offering prizemoney for something that we were previously getting for free in order to stimulate the community in a specific direction. I'm not sure at what point that became an evil plan but if you don't like it you're free to sit it out.
kind regards,
chris