Railworks or Trainz? Whats your opinion on both?? Since they have their disadvantages
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AlanBradbury
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It is indeed true that this is the Trainz forum, but I prefer a forum not held to a Draconian situation where one is prevented from even mentioning other train simulators, which absolutely is the case on some train sim forums. We are interested in trains, and the chances are that many, if not all of us have several train simulations, possibly even all of them, and having them and having checked them out, it would be a fair assumption that most of the populace here have then come to the conclusion that Trainz is the one which floats their boat. But that being the case, one train sim and its features, is still a spur to another when it comes to evolutionary development, and it would be naive to imagine that the developers of Trainz, or any other train sim for that matter, sit in isolation and do not look at what the competition offers when considering add-on content and advances they will consider for new iterations. So as long as the discussion remains a civil and intelligent one, this thread is of use to the Trainz developers too, because it points up what and why people like what they do about Trainz in comparison to other sims out there.
Beyond that, the fact that such a thread is allowed to continue on this forum, is a credit to the moderators and the developers of Trainz to be honest, because it demonstrates a level of confidence in their product, in that they do not feel the mere mention of something else would be a threat, nor feel that not mentioning competitors would in any way prevent someone from typing 'train sim' into Google to see what is available. Not all forums are so enlightened; try mentioning a rival on a few other product forums and see how quickly that line of conversation gets curtailed.
Al
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http://www.trainsim.com/vbts/showthread.php?309823-An-Open-Letter-to-RSC
Another moderator locked that one, I wouldn't have locked it because they seem like legit complaints to me. Problem is Railworks has a zillion cheerleaders who want to start flamewars with anyone who doesn't think they game is 100% perfect as is. Trainz has a few of those, but they apparently handed out free copies of Railworks in every mental hospital in the free world, so it has many many more.
Funny thing, that's a 180 degree turn for him;
http://www.trainsim.com/vbts/showthread.php?294004-AI-amp-Signaling-does-work
He spent about 6 weeks "proving" me wrong by going thru zillions of gyrations to set up and debug one simple meet that was rigidly dependent on timing and collapsed like a house of cards if the player was a few minutes early or late. Quite a few of the RW fanboys from 3 years ago have changed their minds, optimism about how the developers are gonna fix the most glaring issues only lasts so long.
Another moderator locked that one, I wouldn't have locked it because they seem like legit complaints to me. Problem is Railworks has a zillion cheerleaders who want to start flamewars with anyone who doesn't think they game is 100% perfect as is. Trainz has a few of those, but they apparently handed out free copies of Railworks in every mental hospital in the free world, so it has many many more.
Funny thing, that's a 180 degree turn for him;
http://www.trainsim.com/vbts/showthread.php?294004-AI-amp-Signaling-does-work
He spent about 6 weeks "proving" me wrong by going thru zillions of gyrations to set up and debug one simple meet that was rigidly dependent on timing and collapsed like a house of cards if the player was a few minutes early or late. Quite a few of the RW fanboys from 3 years ago have changed their minds, optimism about how the developers are gonna fix the most glaring issues only lasts so long.
Lot of negative comments on this forum about the new release. http://www.trainsim.com/vbts/showthread.php?309819-Link-To-TS2013
AlanBradbury
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People always bitch about that kind of thing and put comments along the lines of 'that's it, I'm done with this thing' on forums whenever there is such an announcement. But I'll bet almost all of the people who write such stuff end up carrying on using it, because frankly if their main complaint was that it had busted AI and less than satisfactory signalling before, but they apparently were using it when in that state, then really nothing has changed, so why would they then suddenly stop using it if they had quite evidently been content to put up with doing so previously?
Al
Al
Elementary, Watson, the same reason I gave up on it 2 years ago and moved to Trainz - they finally quit hemming and hawing and admitted that they did not intend to fix it since they don't consider it "broken". It really looked promising at first, but when railsim was about to become railworks, Paul Jackson made a similar grand announcement with a list of proposed improvements, one of which was "The AI dispatcher will be further enhanced". 
It didn't NEED to be "further enhanced", it needed to be replaced with a broken clock - at least the clock would be right twice a day. I hung on for a couple more years before finally giving up hope, I don't even know where the RW disks are anymore.
Don't get me wrong, I have issues with a lot of Trainz problems as well, quite a few things could use fixing - but it beats the hell out of RS and MSTS for operations.
It didn't NEED to be "further enhanced", it needed to be replaced with a broken clock - at least the clock would be right twice a day. I hung on for a couple more years before finally giving up hope, I don't even know where the RW disks are anymore.Don't get me wrong, I have issues with a lot of Trainz problems as well, quite a few things could use fixing - but it beats the hell out of RS and MSTS for operations.
Hi Everybody.
I have both railworks and trainz and use either one of them at varying times. To me trainz is a simulator for the hobbyist who has the time for building routes or other content. Railworks is for people who perhaps have restricted time (like myself) and just enjoy driving on routes or creating scenarios which can be done very quickly in railworks.
Perhaps N3V best initiative has come with the release of a trainz version for for iPad and android. Being a regular rail user as part of my work I enjoy riding on a train and at the same time creating a small trainz route on my android tablet computer (on a train, creating trainz). It's great for those who do not have the time for the full hobby version.
Bill
I have both railworks and trainz and use either one of them at varying times. To me trainz is a simulator for the hobbyist who has the time for building routes or other content. Railworks is for people who perhaps have restricted time (like myself) and just enjoy driving on routes or creating scenarios which can be done very quickly in railworks.
Perhaps N3V best initiative has come with the release of a trainz version for for iPad and android. Being a regular rail user as part of my work I enjoy riding on a train and at the same time creating a small trainz route on my android tablet computer (on a train, creating trainz). It's great for those who do not have the time for the full hobby version.
Bill
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Hi Everybody.
Well spotted Ethan have now edited the deliberate mistake.
I think the old Dragon NaturallySpeaking software is getting tired of listening to me after a long day. I see they have come out with a new latest version this week which I will have to get as it will dictate directly into forums like this which will save having to use word or dictation pad and then transfer it into the forum. It's not cheap though £78 British Sterling even on a special offer for regular users, but it does save a lot of work in two fingered keyboard clunking for people like me.
Apologies for the mistake
Bill
Well spotted Ethan have now edited the deliberate mistake.
I think the old Dragon NaturallySpeaking software is getting tired of listening to me after a long day. I see they have come out with a new latest version this week which I will have to get as it will dictate directly into forums like this which will save having to use word or dictation pad and then transfer it into the forum. It's not cheap though £78 British Sterling even on a special offer for regular users, but it does save a lot of work in two fingered keyboard clunking for people like me.Apologies for the mistake
Bill
Having read the RSC announcement, there doesn't seem that much to get excited over. I doubt joypad support, a likely borked interpretation of MP and Steam Workshop is going to woo many hardened Trainzers (or MSTS/Open Railers) away. The rest of us will continue to bob between the various sims, none of them absolutely having everything to offer - while living in hope that the next version of Trainz gives us track that includes frogs and checkrails on points by default, tunnels that can be laid in a straight line without resorting to digholes etc. and a UI timetable/scenario editor.
I can understand AlanBradbury not wanting a closed mindset on the verus matter but at the same time how often do we need to get it?? This comes up time after time after time. No-one can tell me that we are not going over the same matters as we are talking train sims! At best even with a different way of putting it. I for one didn't mind at first but sure as whatever when this one dies down after a while someone else will bring it up again so how often do we want groundhogday? Must be at least 6 re-appearences by now? Some will no doubt say that's life or so what but it is all about repeating the same old comparisons. Personally being repetitive has no appeal at all to my grey cells (with acknowledgements to Hercule Poirot)
AlanBradbury
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If it genuinely was only repetition then I would agree that comparisons get tiresome, however, since Railworks has a new version announced, the feature list has changed, and it therefore does merit further discussion in terms of, does that alter the balance of relative pros and cons of the various options? Personally, having looked at the new feature list, I would say it does not tip the balance, but others might disagree. A stab at multiplayer in Railworks, even though it looks to me like they are too locked into the way the base program functions to make it what people into multiplayer would probably wish for, but it might swing it for some.
Al
Al
I personally think an intelligent discussion about features in different sims, or what is in new releases of products, makes people aware of qualities that they like in the sim they are using, things they don't, and things they would like to see, and keeps creators busy in trying to add things that users would like in their new releases. Reading this thread as I said many posts back is what made me decide to buy Trainz TS12 and I love it.
That being said, if someone doesn't like reading about any kind of comparative discussion of one sim and another, or any other topic they find uninteresting or upsetting in a forum, then just don't read it. Pretty simple really , in my opinion.
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I enjoy all train sims and like reading about their differences. If this thread upsets you, find one that makes you happy or start your own. All of my negative about N3V, they allow discussion of other sims. Might even convince a researcher checking Trainz out. Isn't that what the major complaint in this forum is? Read up and research?*
No one controlled your little finger on your mouse making you click to read this thread.*
Now, N3V, how about some track turnouts with frogs and guard rails finally in splines? Maybe some physics love? Enough of the selling 8 year old content and DLS in an attempt to sell access to content you outdated.
No one controlled your little finger on your mouse making you click to read this thread.*
Now, N3V, how about some track turnouts with frogs and guard rails finally in splines? Maybe some physics love? Enough of the selling 8 year old content and DLS in an attempt to sell access to content you outdated.
Now that's funny!!!!!! :wave:
Sniper, I would comment but I didn't take a poll of all who might click on this thread to gauge their feelings. I'll get back after judging entertainment value and worth of reading posts to alter my next response in case someone just might not find it worth their time. Have to read their mind before posting, it would seem.
