Railworks or Trainz? Whats your opinion on both?? Since they have their disadvantages

[hminky]

From his first post he already has it and says he enjoys it, go easy guys, he's new here.

Then why is he asking the question?

WHAT IS THE @##$$&&** POINT OF THESE THREADS?

They never ask comparisons on any other forum other than Trainz.

Harold

EDIT: to quote the American Baseball player Bryce Harper: "That is a clown question, bro."

 

[KenGreen]

These threads can sometimes be useful. As I understand it RW can only be used via Steam. This to me means that Steam have some sort of access to your computer. I don't even let Microsoft do automatic updates.
If it were not for Steam I would buy it to try it out just to see why others sometimes rave about it.
To me the graphics in TS12 is very good I don't want it to be too realistic as it's a game and being able to use 15 or more A1 drivers and check on their progress does it for me. If RWs can do this without me having to drive then I might buy it and use it on an old computer as I have heard that it doesn't need the power that Trainz does.

Ken

 

[hminky]

Railworks3 is the worse game of any genre that I have encountered! It requires more horsepower than Trainz 12.

Most of the scenarios end with a "something bad has happened" message.

Steam locomotives don't work because they derail after saving upon re-entering.

The route editor has no preview of assets so is useless.

You can play offline without being on steam

The same scenery assets are used by all the builders, everything looks the same. There aren't enough for variety.

Very few third party developers outside the UK so basically a UK train sim.

Horseshoe was optimised for Railworks3 TSX engine and works. None of the other routes work well, mini-stuttering even with an I7-2600K and GTX-560ti.

Donner pass was the worst payware route EVER!!!

That is why they sell it for $4.

Harold

EDIT: RSC calls adding a "gamepad" new technology when there is a thread on UKTS about using one for over a year, clueless.

 

[RRSignal]

What is the point of these threads?

Railworks is discounted to 90% off in most Steam Sales. Last week it was four bucks.

Just wait, buy the darn thing and see what you think of it.

Harold

The problem, unfortunately, is that even at $4, it's not worth it to have that Steam junk installed. Honestly, even if they paid me $4, I wouldn't bother. It's not the sim itself, it's the Steam.

 

[hminky]

The problem, unfortunately, is that even at $4, it's not worth it to have that Steam junk installed. Honestly, even if they paid me $4, I wouldn't bother. It's not the sim itself, it's the Steam.

5,000,000 people are playing on Steam right now at 12:27 7/22/12. I guess everyone of them isn't irrationally paranoid, just the trainsim community.

Harold

 

[RRSignal]

5,000,000 people are playing on Steam right now at 12:27 7/22/12. I guess everyone of them isn't irrationally paranoid, just the trainsim community.

Harold

Maybe some of us have learned from others and don't want to waste our money.

 

[KenGreen]

Thanks for the synopsis Harold
From this I can deduce that RWs isn't for me. One of the things I love about Trainz is the scenery I think that Murchison 2 and Philstene's routes are a work of art.

Ken

 

[amigacooke]

Thanks for the synopsis Harold
From this I can deduce that RWs isn't for me.

You can only deduce that if what was said originally was valid, which in some cases is highly questionable.

 

[AntonyVW]

Wow! Sorry, but I am rather surpised to be called by my first name, it really doesn't happen often on the forums. (Well, everyone calls me WEN usually).

I somewhat agree with you, however, the problem with Railworks is trying to find the freeware content, its not easily accessible and in fact, it feels like that RSDL are more interested in pushing the payware content (which makes sense, so they can get their markup if you like) but if you want to work for free but wish to get your work out there, good luck.

Im just wondering if that attitude continues over to the version of Trainz they sell as well? Or is that more dictated to by the CM that we use so much on here?

 

[KenGreen]

Hi Amigacooke
Basically I agree that it is only Harold's opinion but for example how many A1 driver can be used at once and are the number of scenery objects as plentiful as Trainz.
Is Murchison 2 available on RW?
From Harold's response I deduced that the RWs is a driver focused railsim that didn't need scenery items to he extent that Trainz does as you spend your time in the cab.

Ken

 

[hminky]

I still play Railworks2. I saved a copy. Unfortunately it is impossible to go back to the version as Railworks is over ridden.

You can create a nice route like Bay of Quinte by Jason Sills but it goes back to the original RailSimulator.

It runs poorly in Railworks3 and the old Railsimulator. There is the steam locomotive derailment problem. It was one of the two routes that I liked about Railworks.

Shame RSC is moving to a more gaming crowd. As the guy said in "On the WaterFront", "I coulda been a contender". RSC is giving the sense that it is flailing about.

Harold

EDIT: There is really no "freeware". Most routes require the purchase of a route to obtain assets and most scenarios require payware assets.

 

[amigacooke]

Basically I agree that it is only Harold's opinion but for example how many A1 driver can be used at once and are the number of scenery objects as plentiful as Trainz.

I am unaware of how many AI (I assume you meant AI) drivers can be used at once, but I don't know of a restriction in the number. There are less scenery items available for TS2012 than Trainz.

Is Murchison 2 available on RW?

No, but there are routes that RW has that Trainz does not, London to Brighton, The Woodhead line, Falmouth Branch and the Isle of Wight.

From Harold's response I deduced that the RWs is a driver focused railsim that didn't need scenery items to he extent that Trainz does as you spend your time in the cab.

RW is a driver focused sim, though I'm not sure why that means you need less scenery. Trainz has more scenery items, but I have recently bought the TS2012 London to Brighton route and it accurately depicts the part of that route that I travel most days on the way to work.

 

[kamran]

i agree wit above post thaty railworks is driver focused railsim.the only thing i do is to buy payware add ons install them drive them and finish

 

[hminky]

I am unaware of how many AI (I assume you meant AI) drivers can be used at once, but I don't know of a restriction in the number. There are less scenery items available for TS2012 than Trainz.


No, but there are routes that RW has that Trainz does not, London to Brighton, The Woodhead line, Falmouth Branch and the Isle of Wight.

RW is a driver focused sim, though I'm not sure why that means you need less scenery. Trainz has more scenery items, but I have recently bought the TS2012 London to Brighton route and it accurately depicts the part of that route that I travel most days on the way to work.

As I said it is a UK trainsim.

IF you like Trainz operations you will find Railworks very lacking in it's versatility. Can't jump on a train unless it is close, can't move to a train anywhere on the map, no train spawning portals, can't change the time of day,etc.

As I said the only way to procure assets in Railworks is to acquire payware

Harold

 

[idomi4s]

Railworks run well with 2.8 Ghz CPU and indeed less power necessary than TS12 but once you have been dig in to TS12, you would just laugh about the comparison. I would give RW a try only if available from the Auran shop for $4.

 

[amigacooke]

As I said it is a UK trainsim.

Apart from Cologne - Dusseldorf Expansion Pack, Donner Pass, Horseshoe Curve, Northeast Corridor, Portland Terminal Expansion Pack, Fort Kent to Eagle Lake Add-on and Colton & Northern Expansion Pack.

IF you like Trainz operations you will find Railworks very lacking in it's versatility. Can't jump on a train unless it is close, can't move to a train anywhere on the map, no train spawning portals, can't change the time of day,etc.

Can't argue with this

As I said the only way to procure assets in Railworks is to acquire payware

Apart from the freeware suppliers of course:

UKTrainSim
TrainSim
RailSim

(there are others)

 

[ivantr]

Wow! Sorry, but I am rather surpised to be called by my first name, it really doesn't happen often on the forums. (Well, everyone calls me WEN usually).

I somewhat agree with you, however, the problem with Railworks is trying to find the freeware content, its not easily accessible and in fact, it feels like that RSDL are more interested in pushing the payware content (which makes sense, so they can get their markup if you like) but if you want to work for free but wish to get your work out there, good luck.

Sorry mate, I have been a bit fool and I havnt recognised the work from you and others, that have been released in all Train Sims for freeware . The reason that why I am very upset when talking a Trainz VS Railworks thread its because Auran N3V isnt taking care of users and of his sim because 10 years with the same old engine, the need to pay for getting freeware content from DLS, the compatibility mode, no major changes during this 10 years, same version of the game every year with the same old 600 Polys trains (Not talking about deleteing them, but add newer content Auran N3V). And while RW is developeing new features, taking advantage of LUA, HD techs, better shaders, and others, Trainz is only thinking in sell the same old copy, to get money as fast can possible and releasing a small DLC with prices ascending the 15 €. So i could think that in a future RW could be the first and best selled sim in the Train simulators market. Trainz walks like crabs, backwards. At least we have a great community, with lots of great users and mates, and a lot of freeware content

Greetings

 

[KenGreen]

Hi Amigacooke
Thanks very much for responding to each point I raised, very useful information.

Regards

Ken

 

[wholbr]

Hi Everybody.
I believe that of the two sims, ship simulator is by far the best. The sound of the sea is far better than anything you will get in Railworks or trainz, and I love the way that the giant waves you can generate rocks your consists.:hehe:

Posted from the Oceana cruise liner arriving into Londons Waterloo station.
Bill

 

[RRSignal]

Sorry mate, I have been a bit fool and I havnt recognised the work from you and others, that have been released in all Train Sims for freeware . The reason that why I am very upset when talking a Trainz VS Railworks thread its because Auran N3V isnt taking care of users and of his sim because 10 years with the same old engine, the need to pay for getting freeware content from DLS, the compatibility mode, no major changes during this 10 years, same version of the game every year with the same old 600 Polys trains (Not talking about deleteing them, but add newer content Auran N3V). And while RW is developeing new features, taking advantage of LUA, HD techs, better shaders, and others, Trainz is only thinking in sell the same old copy, to get money as fast can possible and releasing a small DLC with prices ascending the 15 €. So i could think that in a future RW could be the first and best selled sim in the Train simulators market. Trainz walks like crabs, backwards. At least we have a great community, with lots of great users and mates, and a lot of freeware content

Greetings

Um, no. Look at a lot of the Trainz content out there, especially from the Russian and eastern European creators: It makes RW look positively cartoonish.

The content matters far more than the engine.