Question on layers

boc61

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I know this is probably old hat to most of you, but I really haven't done much with layers yet, so be gentle. If I have a route open for edit and make changes, such as adding trains, drivers and such, do I have to save these to a session layer before exiting or quick driving? I ask because it seems when I just do a regular save where it asks to create a session after saving, some of the changes , like drivers don't show. I'll add my own drivers, but when the session starts the default drivers will be on the trains. Should I save a default session, save it and reopen it and add from there?
 
Layers have been a cause of much confusion. Basically you can put any or all your physical assets (including rolling stock) in the route layer if you want to. Personally, I normally place rolling stock assets into a session layer as it allows me to create different playable sessions for the same route each with different locos and rolling stock.

"Non-physical" items (e.g. products and quantities to be consumed/produced, passengers waiting at stations, train orders, time of day, weather conditions and, I believe, drivers assigned) are always stored in the session layer. If you have or alter any of these "non-physicals" then Trainz will always ask you to save the session as well as the route.

I do not understand why, if you have saved the session (even using the default name), the changes such as new drivers do not show up. It is possible that you are not loading in the session you have just saved - confusion over names???

"Should I save a default session, save it and reopen it and add from there?" I would try that for a starter.

Peter Ware
 
I have found lately that if you use the button at the top to go to driver, the session will not come up with additions.
I save the session then close surveyor and start driver again and the problem dissapears.
Cheers,
Mike
 
Thanks Mike. I also have seen that if I configure an industry, that doesn't move over to the sessions as well.
 
When you open a route and add trains a new session is created . You save that session but then later add more trains and save to that session again. The newly added trains wont have drivers placed in them, you have to do that yourself. Only a newly created session will add drivers to trains.
 
In the old days things were simple and straightforward; track, buildings and such go in the route layer, trains automatically go to the session layer.

However things get pretty screwed up in TS12. Layers is an excellent idea, no doubt about that, but N3V's implementation of it is horrendous. Take for example, you want to create a session but do so from a "base" session. The the user who has a habit of just jumping straight into creating (like say, for the past few years) realizes after a couple of hours that he has been building the route on the session layer. And you can't drag-select the stuff you've built and throw them back into the Route layer. No, N3V has made a convoluted contraption where you must go into the Properties box of each and every single asset to change layers.

Nicky, I hear you say, why not just use the merge function man? That would work if there was nothing else on the route. But if you're working with sessions you probably have dozens of session-specific trackside items that you don't want cluttering up the route. It's even worse if you've edited a session and then realize you've been happily putting trains and trackmarks on the route layer. Sure, you can go back and open each and every one of their Properties box, but you better not miss out a single damned thing because loading another session with a conflicting asset on a different layer will mean alot of splines are going to fly.

Bottom line, put a post-it reminder on the screen in big fat block letters: "HAVE YOU CHECKED AND LOCKED YOUR LAYERS?"

It becomes a huge PITA, but TS12 users need to cultivate a new habit of checking and locking their layers before placing every item.
 
What about portals? I seem to only be able to configure them in the route layer. If I'm in edit session, I can't open them with the ? button.
 
When you start Surveyor from the Edit Session button instead of Edit Route, you are thrown onto the session layer by default. Selecting the route layer should allow you to modify properties of assets on that layer.
Hence we're back to "HAVE YOU CHECKED AND LOCKED YOUR LAYERS?"

Cheerio,
Nicholas
 
Having spent some time with it today I can see the general idea, but I have to agree it hasn't been well implemented. it's a bit clunky and tedious.
 
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