Payware: My #1 complaint

Another point is...

We are in the "I want it and I want it now" generation. There is hardly anything "youngsters" (I'm only 21 but I can remember the slightly less technology advanced times) can't get to within 10 minutes and it always has been that way for them.

Need some info? Look on the Blackberry. Want a movie? Download it with a torrent.

It seems as if saving for things has gone right out the window too along with patience...

/rant off
 
Just a slight correction.... you did NOT pay for the built-in content....you paid for a license to use the Trainz software.

Since none of us know if the OP has any physical limitations, it is somewhat unfair to tell him to get a job.

In today's economy, it is well known (or should be) that teen and young adults face a serious lack of jobs in today's market, so that may also be an impediment to his working at this time.

So, the best alternative may be to use the JR or other freeware or the DLS until some funds become available.

Regards,

Very good point, Ron. but...

There are jobs out there, he just has to look for them. They may not all pay minimum wage, but they are there. Physical limitations are one thing to consider but, I remember even when the economy was tight, finding something to make money at including mowing lawns for neighbors. In this case, I set the price to cover the costs and make a small profit. Heck at 14 I was thinking like I was running a small business back then! This was enough money back then, during the early to mid 1970s to pay for piano lessons and a lot of music books, which I still have today. During the winter months I cleared driveways because I live in the northeast and we had plenty of snow. I didn't have many 'customers' but I had enough to keep me busy all summer and make enough money for the things I wanted. Later on my bro and I had paper routes and saved up enough money for a round-trip Amtrak trip to Florida.

Payware should not be freeware, after all it wouldn't be payware then! Terminology aside, he should have respect for what others make whether it's payware or freeware. There is a lot of work that goes into these assets, and the creators deserve a lot of credit for what they gave us. This is for everything from the routes that we merge and modify, or just play with down to the other assets that we use to make and modify routes.

John
 
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Payware = take it or leave it.

Such is freedom of choice. Amazing isn't it.

The concept can't get much simpler, nor does it require lengthy and/or fancy explanation.
 
I am Disability Pensioner, I have a lot of Jointed Rail products downloaded and as soon as I am able to organise my banking, I will be more than happy make donations to them and purchase some of the Payware. Let's face it what is $5 to $10 compared to a model train loco for hundreds of dollars. I just hope those quality content creators keep up there good work.

I run 3 versions of Trainz on my computer,2004,2006 & 2010 and usually with a bit of fiddling I can get most of the content to work on all 3. A lot of the older will run on 2010 in native mode. I saved up for 12 mths to get my computer, and in 12 mths I am behind again. I wont be playing the catch up game though.I have a few thousand items and that will be enough to keep going. There are so many third party creators around now that you dont need the DLS anyway.

Good luck to Auran and many thanks for what they have done so far. It pays to go back and play an older version for a while to see how far they have come. Just for a laugh I put UTC on and I had trouble tring to work out how to run it.


Cheers,
Mike
 
There are jobs out there, he just has to look for them. They may not all pay minimum wage, but they are there.
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John
John,

No disagreement with what you say.

Again, we have no idea of the type of living conditions the OP is in. He could be in a multistory apartment, condo, etc....not much grass there.

Just for kicks....Google the following>>>> Teen unemployment rates in San Jose, CA.

CA teen unemployment is at 35%. Many previously teen related jobs are now taken by older unemployed people.

I'm not covering for the OP... it is just that we do not know the particular facts related to his situation.

I agree, payware should not be freeware.

Regards,
Ron
 
I grew up in an apartment block on the west side of Chicago - there weren't any lawnmowing jobs cuz who has a lawn? My first job was ball turret gunner on an ice cream truck. ;)
 
It doesn't matter what job you have in life as long as it pays the bills and keeps food on the table ,,every job is just as important as the other no matter what it is,,,so always hold your head up high and proud and sit back and think within yourself that you worked for that and got it with your own sweat
i have been a concreter for 34 years and now i sell flowers for a living
go figure,,life leads you in so many directions ,,
i am 51 years old now

put your head down and your ars up and study and work nothing comes from nothing you have to help yourself before others will do so.
and Jointed Rails payware is well priced and great value for money
steve
 
i would love to help you out but i think the concrete would set before i got there ,you might have to do it yourself make sure it's level or it might look a bit patchy, :hehe: :hehe: :hehe: i have driven to Cains once from the central coast NSW many years ago when i was around 18 years old .
Nice place however there is no place like home.
regards
steve
 
Is that a picture of your dog or you :hehe: :hehe: :hehe: thats what you get for beating us in state of origin :'( :udrool: :'(
steve
 
Someone has made a constructive point in that most payware is in fact cheap and is not completely out of range of even youngsters on limited pocket money.quote]

I myself have bought 4 or 5 JR Locos, heaps of stuff from Paulz Trainz, and The V6E's Trams from www.v6e.com and I'm 13

Jamie
 
Of course, the OP has not responded.
Pretty typical I would say. Just open your pie hole and let the whine run out, then run back to your X Box.
Why don't you "man up" and post a response to all the fine advice you've been given here? :D
 
Goose, meet gander

Who agrees that payware should be made free?
Have you really thought this through? Suppose we go along with you and we help you create an entity that can "make" payware free. They write lawyerly letters to JointedRail, threatening them with jail unless they put their property out there for anyone to take as they please. Or suppose they skip the lawyers and just show up at the JointedRail offices with guns, take everything, and bring it over to your house for you to use?

Having created such an entity, and gotten your freeware, are you prepared for what happens when you make something and we decide we want it?
 
When the OP finally does get a job and does have to work hard for every earnt, maybe then they will realize that life just isn't so darn easy after all. :p
 
I whole heartedly agree, I am thankful for the content creators. I just wanna see a ATSF warbonnet C40-9 up for purchase in the future.


It takes a very long time to create content such as the stuff you will find at those sites. Why shouldn't the creator be paid for countless hours of work and research? If you owned a business would you want to give everything away for free? I think both us and RRmods have a vast selection of high quality freeware. If you want something, just earn some extra money and buy it. I got a job when I was 13 because I wanted a new PC, worked all summer mowing lawns to pay for it. I certainly appreciated the PC a whole lot more knowing I had to bust my tail to earn it. This stuff isn't created overnight. There are costs which will vary from creator to creator to maintain and host a website as well as maintain it. Does the creator not deserved to be paid for all the time and effort it takes to produce this stuff? Will you come over to my house and mow my lawn all summer for free? If so feel free to PM me, I hate cutting the grass....

Mike
 
Hi Everybody.
16 years of age, I would think he should be concentrating on his education and forthcoming examinations rather than spending time creating routes in Trainz.

We all know that route creation is a very time-consuming occupation and better practiced by those in their more " senior years" with sufficient time on their hands.

In Britain it is stated that one in five young people under the age of 25 are unemployed. Therefore at 16 I would feel you would need to be getting the basic fifth year exams under your belt with good results so as to be ready to concentrate on your higher exams which come in the age of 18.

Then those that go on to university could perhaps study something which will provide them with useful, lucrative employment rather than Dance, media studies and drama which so many seem to leave university with degrees in.

No doubt that is the reason why so many are unemployed
Bill
sorry to be so hard, but truth stated I believe
 
This may offer an explanation.


Ed, this young man is from SAN JOSE, California. The anchor of the Bay Area.....putting it kindly.

They don't teach about capitalism in high schools there. I'll bet he knows a great deal about Islam and socialism, however.

Just saying, the concept or having to pay for stuff is sooooooo 3 years agp :)
 
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Hi Everybody.
16 years of age, I would think he should be concentrating on his education and forthcoming examinations rather than spending time creating routes in Trainz.

We all know that route creation is a very time-consuming occupation and better practiced by those in their more " senior years" with sufficient time on their hands.

In Britain it is stated that one in five young people under the age of 25 are unemployed. Therefore at 16 I would feel you would need to be getting the basic fifth year exams under your belt with good results so as to be ready to concentrate on your higher exams which come in the age of 18.

Then those that go on to university could perhaps study something which will provide them with useful, lucrative employment rather than Dance, media studies and drama which so many seem to leave university with degrees in.

No doubt that is the reason why so many are unemployed
Bill
sorry to be so hard, but truth stated I believe

Whoa! I've read through all of this with a snicker at the lack of the OP's repsonse and had my two cents to throw in, but I think I have to chime in and defend him on this one point:

How at 16 with "route creation being a time consuming business" is this necessarily keeping him from his education? I'm 42 years old, I work a 60-hour a week job, attend 2 classes a semester working on my bachelor's degree (along with the associated studying and homework), and raise 2 daughters. All of these are very time consuming. AND I am building a route in Trainz. Does my route building interfere with any of this? I don't think so, because I balance my time between my obligations and the Trainz. Trainz is my escape from the Hell that daily life doles out. Sure, with the time constraints I have, my route may NEVER be complete, but it relaxes me to plant a few trees here and there, maybe put a few more houses on a couple of blocks of neighborhood, or try to figure out new and interesting things to do with what is essentially the same assets that everyone else uses.

My own daughter has trouble in school, but forcing her to spend more time at schoolwork with no time on Facebook or the PS3 with no form of recreation whatsoever is only going to make her despise school more, so that is not the answer. You need to have some sort of outlet that is not your work or school just to keep from going completely crazy. I think this guy is entitled to a little time away from the books to mess with the Trainz.

But to throw in my own two cents on the original problem, as has been said so many times already, there is plenty of quality stuff to keep you occupied without the need to spend a dime on payware (or a euro or a shilling or whatever). I look to Euphod and the excellent reskins of the railcars he has done recently or to the content machine that Dave Snow and Euphod (again!) have become recently cranking out their buildings. Like the OP, I couldn't imagine spending anything on payware after what I spent for the software already, but now I buy from Jointed Rail from time to time on their deal of the week when I have a few extra dollars. If something comes up on the deal that I want and I can't afford it this week, I take a pass. It will come up again, or I'll get something else.

I'd like to be driving a brand new spiffy looking truck (payware!) to & from work every day, but sadly I can't. I'm stuck driving the ok-looking but runs truck (freeware!), because it gets the job done. Grow up a little and realize that the payware just isn't going to be given to you in the game of Trainz or in the game of Life, for that matter. If you want the nicer things in life like a nice car (or some sharp looking payware, for that matter), you gotta work for it. Nobody is going to just give you a free ride.

Enough rant. I'll get off of the soapbox now.
 
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