Kris
What has all of that got to do with payware? I believe that you need to study history and economics a little more instead of listening to all of the talking points of the talking heads.
Mike
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Kris
What has all of that got to do with payware? I believe that you need to study history and economics a little more instead of listening to all of the talking points of the talking heads.
Mike
I'm sure it has a little bit do with payware because of competition. Plus everyone is talking about foreign oil and how we rely on it. The president a while back says we rely too much on foreign oil. Plus the oil in the middle east is controlled by the euro nation consisting of 10 countries but the US is powerless because of our economic struggles and its affecting everyone else plus if we have so much oil whats so hard about putting it to use? Our stupid environmentalists is what's killing us. Forget the environment, its about money and the people. So as far as the Bel-Air/Raley's thing goes. We might as well not buy from there because everything is expensive and they forgot the customers make it possible for their doings most of the time. Plus if we don't pay taxes, maybe the gov't will find other means to make money besides ripping off its own people who have barely anything. You can't give something you don't have. If I had a job and I had to pay taxes, then I'd rip it up and throw it away. I'd rather be buying trains than obeying the law and paying tax dollars that go to waste. Yes I'd rather be using JR's, RRMods, and WOT's legendary content than being a law abiding citizen. I'm sure you'd all be proud of me.
PatrickTaylor89
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I think the overall point that Kris is trying to make is that times are tough for many people and it might explain why people have issues paying for Trainz-related products.
However, as I said in my first post, I just don't understand that argument. During tough times, people cut back on things. Most of the time, they stop going out as much, they stop buying things they don't need. In other words, people simplify.
I think Trainz fits right into that, and so does payware. For less than the price of a movie ticket, you can purchase a locomotive. Honestly, where else can you get a deal like that?
A physical model railroad locomotive could easily run you $100 or more - and you need to purchase all of the other things required to operate a layout along with that locomotive. Try doing that for $10! Trainz looks pretty good compared to that, doesn't it? (Not that I have anything against model railroads. I'm speaking from a purely financial perspective here.)
Even without any addons, Trainz itself can provide hours (or years, in many cases) of entertainment. In fact, I bet I spend hours just tinkering around in 3D Canvas with the models that I build. I can't think of a more cost effective hobby, although I'm sure they are out there.
Patrick
However, as I said in my first post, I just don't understand that argument. During tough times, people cut back on things. Most of the time, they stop going out as much, they stop buying things they don't need. In other words, people simplify.
I think Trainz fits right into that, and so does payware. For less than the price of a movie ticket, you can purchase a locomotive. Honestly, where else can you get a deal like that?
A physical model railroad locomotive could easily run you $100 or more - and you need to purchase all of the other things required to operate a layout along with that locomotive. Try doing that for $10! Trainz looks pretty good compared to that, doesn't it? (Not that I have anything against model railroads. I'm speaking from a purely financial perspective here.)
Even without any addons, Trainz itself can provide hours (or years, in many cases) of entertainment. In fact, I bet I spend hours just tinkering around in 3D Canvas with the models that I build. I can't think of a more cost effective hobby, although I'm sure they are out there.
Patrick
tolansherwood
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Each time I see another payware shop close, I mourn a bit.
Something that many who have complained about payware do not seem to notice is how much of the freeware content on the DLS was made by payware providers.
Yes, it can be costly to try and get all the goodies that are out there, but at least once you have them, they are yours. I play an MMO, and in addition to costing me 50% more than any of my Trainz versions, it also costs a Trainz version each annual quarter to keep playing.
If I invested all my gaming money in Trainz, I could likely own every piece of payware, along with the collector's edition of Trainz. So in comparison to games like World of Warcraft, or Aion, or even the "free to play" games out there, success in Trainz comes cheap.
That does not mean I do not recognize that some have a hard time acquiring their dream items for Trainz. It simply means that as the world moves on to more and more complexity in gizmos and computers and programming, prices will go up, and there may be some that can not always afford to keep up.
On the other hand, it really does take most of a person's life away for many long months to develop an object from scratch for a game like Trainz. It's absolutely ludicrous to expect that amount of effort to go unrewarded. Even people like monks and nuns get more recompense for their time than our payware developers do. Drop by your local hobby shop and price the latest HO guage items to get an idea what a corporation thinks that sort of effort is worth. The amount of effort put into our payware items and their products is not dissimilar.
So the fact is, life is getting tougher again, and that means that things like games are going to seem more expensive, since they are not neccessities.
Of course, a "neccessity" can mean different things to different people, and I can assure you that my Trainz is a vital neccesity to preserve the health of those around me...without it, I might just have gone a bit 'round the bend. That does not mean that I would expect anyone to give me anything to keep me driving my routes. Just remember to ask around before visiting Montana to make sure that I haven't had to give that up.
My thinking is this: Sasquatch is just an old native word for a guy who fell through life's cracks. Perhaps many were either left behind as the trains disappeared, or maybe there are now a few who thought they were entitled to make a living for a good day's work that no longer got a wage, or got to watch a robot take their job. So they had to give up that basement HO set, or maybe even Trainz or one of its less worthy competitors. Or maybe it just became impossible to afford maintaining a website to offer some beautiful pieces of art to their fellow gamers, so they had to quit.
And now they still lay tracks, but only 2 foot long ones, and only deep in the forest
Something that many who have complained about payware do not seem to notice is how much of the freeware content on the DLS was made by payware providers.
Yes, it can be costly to try and get all the goodies that are out there, but at least once you have them, they are yours. I play an MMO, and in addition to costing me 50% more than any of my Trainz versions, it also costs a Trainz version each annual quarter to keep playing.
If I invested all my gaming money in Trainz, I could likely own every piece of payware, along with the collector's edition of Trainz. So in comparison to games like World of Warcraft, or Aion, or even the "free to play" games out there, success in Trainz comes cheap.
That does not mean I do not recognize that some have a hard time acquiring their dream items for Trainz. It simply means that as the world moves on to more and more complexity in gizmos and computers and programming, prices will go up, and there may be some that can not always afford to keep up.
On the other hand, it really does take most of a person's life away for many long months to develop an object from scratch for a game like Trainz. It's absolutely ludicrous to expect that amount of effort to go unrewarded. Even people like monks and nuns get more recompense for their time than our payware developers do. Drop by your local hobby shop and price the latest HO guage items to get an idea what a corporation thinks that sort of effort is worth. The amount of effort put into our payware items and their products is not dissimilar.
So the fact is, life is getting tougher again, and that means that things like games are going to seem more expensive, since they are not neccessities.
Of course, a "neccessity" can mean different things to different people, and I can assure you that my Trainz is a vital neccesity to preserve the health of those around me...without it, I might just have gone a bit 'round the bend. That does not mean that I would expect anyone to give me anything to keep me driving my routes. Just remember to ask around before visiting Montana to make sure that I haven't had to give that up.
My thinking is this: Sasquatch is just an old native word for a guy who fell through life's cracks. Perhaps many were either left behind as the trains disappeared, or maybe there are now a few who thought they were entitled to make a living for a good day's work that no longer got a wage, or got to watch a robot take their job. So they had to give up that basement HO set, or maybe even Trainz or one of its less worthy competitors. Or maybe it just became impossible to afford maintaining a website to offer some beautiful pieces of art to their fellow gamers, so they had to quit.
And now they still lay tracks, but only 2 foot long ones, and only deep in the forest
I have no problem with payware it is a basic matter of choice really. The cost is not great at the end of the day.
For many years i did deeply involved community work in what was nicely called a deprived area. Fairly modern housing mind you. And you know what? When cable tv started that was one of the areas they laid into as there were more video recorders per head than the slightly more affluent neighbouring places! Likewise the pubs, betting shops were full. The local hackney taxi rank (dearer than the private ones) did a constant circle of taking people home short distances. When satellite tv came in the dishes sprung up evrywhere. So "deprived" is a relative thing. I often came across families that had lost interest in doing work as the benefit system was nicely generous as a part of the Welfare State.
Trainz is a remarkable and fairly cheap basic hobby that you can get ample times of sheer enjoyment and if you want to go further build something. What you pay out is up to each individual as they would with a tv, house item or whatever. My late mother although financially cumfy loved the chairty shops!
For many years i did deeply involved community work in what was nicely called a deprived area. Fairly modern housing mind you. And you know what? When cable tv started that was one of the areas they laid into as there were more video recorders per head than the slightly more affluent neighbouring places! Likewise the pubs, betting shops were full. The local hackney taxi rank (dearer than the private ones) did a constant circle of taking people home short distances. When satellite tv came in the dishes sprung up evrywhere. So "deprived" is a relative thing. I often came across families that had lost interest in doing work as the benefit system was nicely generous as a part of the Welfare State.
Trainz is a remarkable and fairly cheap basic hobby that you can get ample times of sheer enjoyment and if you want to go further build something. What you pay out is up to each individual as they would with a tv, house item or whatever. My late mother although financially cumfy loved the chairty shops!
Kris
I just don't understand what point you're trying to make. We all know things are tough out there, but believe me, things have been tough before. You really need to get off the political tones in your posts. Yes, things are tough, but is that any reason to talk bad about payware.
Again, what is your point.
1. Do you want payware to be cheaper
2. Do you want payware to go to freeware
3. ?
I guarantee you that the price of oil nor the amount of taxes that I pay has absolutely anything to do with how much I charge for payware.
Mike
nugget2225
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i dont get it
after reading the begining of this thread , i have to say i have never been so confused in my life on what the point of it is, this thread needs to be closed
after reading the begining of this thread , i have to say i have never been so confused in my life on what the point of it is, this thread needs to be closed
Agreed. ha
Mike and PFX,
I think I eat out more now than I ever did in my life, but that's because I eat my big meal during the day at work. Growing up I was lucky if we went out a few times a year. My dad made very little, yet we got a long pretty well, had a roof over our head, I had my piano lessons and model railroad, and we made do.
To tell you the truth, I still prefer home cooked food over the generic meals at restaurants.
Kris, really what is the point of your post?
Like Nugget and the rest of us here, we're quite confused. You seem to get the prize for waffling around.
I agree this post should be closed and forgotten.
John
My point is I like the payware but the reason why everyone's complaining because they are struggling. Hell, the entire USA is the pits economically. That's my point. NO I'm NOT complaining but everyone else is.
You're the only one here that I've seen complaining about payware, so who's 'everyone'? I thought this was a Trainz forum, not a world economy forum.
I agree. This thread needs to be closed.
Mike
enginewhistle
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I don't understand this thread at all...
I don't understand this thread at all...
I'm not complaining I'm just trying to get everyone who always gets irked up about people complaining about payware maybe before getting irritated maybe think what that person is going through. That's my point I guess I haven't made it clear enough.
nugget2225
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hmmm
if you cant afford the payware dont buy it, these guys spend months to create this content for us to buy and its at a reasonable price,if you want it get a second job, at min wage you would only have to work 3.5 hours after tax to buy a good jointed rails loco pack.i cant afford to buy every single loco jointed rails has to offer but why complain about it, thats there jobs just like the ones on here have their job.there is plenty of freeware from good people that took time to make it free, its called the download station you should check it out.if i sounded like a smart @ss thats not what i am trying to do just think before you create a silly thread or at least get to the point people can understand.
please close this thread lol
if you cant afford the payware dont buy it, these guys spend months to create this content for us to buy and its at a reasonable price,if you want it get a second job, at min wage you would only have to work 3.5 hours after tax to buy a good jointed rails loco pack.i cant afford to buy every single loco jointed rails has to offer but why complain about it, thats there jobs just like the ones on here have their job.there is plenty of freeware from good people that took time to make it free, its called the download station you should check it out.if i sounded like a smart @ss thats not what i am trying to do just think before you create a silly thread or at least get to the point people can understand.
please close this thread lol
I'm not complaining I'm speaking about who do complain. I have the money to buy. I'm just waiting until I recieve more money so I can have a cushion so if something out of the ordinary occurs, I'll be prepared for it. I.E. an emergency.
I chuckled, although living one town over from Elk Grove Village, Illinois, it's not bad at all.
Trainz 2013: Economic Argument Simulator
Steve
ZecMurphy
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Ok, time to call this one quits.
Kris, please try to make your posts clearer. This thread is a good example of people not being able to understand the point you are trying to make, and taking it the wrong way.
As it is, having a go at those that don't like payware is not acceptable. This thread can easily be taken as an attack, and any further topics such as this will result in further action being taken.
Kris, please try to make your posts clearer. This thread is a good example of people not being able to understand the point you are trying to make, and taking it the wrong way.
As it is, having a go at those that don't like payware is not acceptable. This thread can easily be taken as an attack, and any further topics such as this will result in further action being taken.
SO many threads nowadays getting closed due to off-topic rants. I'm really at the breaking point with all this bullcrap. What happened?
Nah, he's just torturing us. :hehe:
Nah, he's just torturing us. :hehe:
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