Kris94: You cannot compare the value of a 1950's or 60's dollar to a dollar in 2011. The more money the Federal Reserve prints, the more diluted the existing money becomes, and it's value becomes less. So, you need more dollars to pay for the same item. Think of it like this: Gold is valuable because it's rare. The more common Gold becomes, the less it's worth.
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Kris94: You cannot compare the value of a 1950's or 60's dollar to a dollar in 2011. The more money the Federal Reserve prints, the more diluted the existing money becomes, and it's value becomes less. So, you need more dollars to pay for the same item. Think of it like this: Gold is valuable because it's rare. The more common Gold becomes, the less it's worth.
Yeah are currency isn't driven by gold anymore as my grandfather told me, now it's oil that drives it and down a path of destruction.
But a buck is still a buck at my store :hehe:
Damn Ed, wanted to post that
Kris
Your grandfather was probably on a much, much smaller wage than now, I think in the '40's a LAPD detective earnt $50 a week or something
I'm still confused, you're complaining about payware but you're not and you're complaining about the economy but you're not??
Mrscsi - $7 gOes a fair way into your store
Jamie
Kris
Your grandfather was probably on a much, much smaller wage than now, I think in the '40's a LAPD detective earnt $50 a week or something
I'm still confused, you're complaining about payware but you're not and you're complaining about the economy but you're not??
Mrscsi - $7 gOes a fair way into your store
Jamie
I'm complaining about payware. Economy yes. I'm just saying it seems like 10 dollars feels more like a hundred dollars but that's just me. Plus my town sucks coconuts.
I used to love Elk Grove when we were running up 99 every year for the bugorama.
Look at the bright side, you could live in Elk Grove Il:hehe:
The gold standard is not realistic as a method of valuation of any country's currency any longer. Valuation is better determined by Gross Domestic Product and Productivity. Valuation of currency certainly isn't tied to "oil", although your grandfather may think otherwise.
Yeah well if it's low inflation, then why are prices so high?
PatrickTaylor89
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I can certainly understand how payware might be out of financial reach for some people. However, there is still no reason to complain about it. After all, unlike many other things in life, you don't need payware. There are hundreds, probably thousands, of freeware items out there, some of nearly equal quality to the payware stuff. Even Jointed Rail, RR Mods and the other payware folks offer lots of freeware stuff.
How many other products in life can you say that about? I mean, have you ever been to a freeware car dealership? If you find a freeware gas station, please let me know! Even most entertainment options (movies, sports events) cost far more than $10-15, and I assure you, they generally don't offer freeware seats in the movie theatre for those who don't like the price of tickets. Heck, they don't even offer freeware popcorn when you buy a ticket!
Not to mention the fact that unlike most other options out there, you can actually take some time and learn how to make your own stuff! Sure, it's hard work, but you'll have exactly what you want and it can be done at little or no cost!
Honestly, is there really that much to complain about when it comes to payware? We've got it pretty good here, I think.
Patrick
Ask..... Goldman Sachs.
Well said, Patrick.
There are freeware concerts, or they cost about the same as a payware locomotive, but I'm sure their not the music he'd like to hear,.
Frederick Collection:
www.frederickcollection.org --- $10.00 per concert --- with free snacks at the end.
Boston Clavichord Society:
www.http://bostonclavichord.org -- $15.00 for non-members --- $10.00 for members.
These are far and few between these days, but they're out there, and just like the payware locomotives and other Trainz content, they're worth every dollar spent.
@Kris:
I suppose everything is relative. If someone wants to spend $5.00 a day on a Coffee Collada at Dunkin' Donuts, that's fine with me. Skip a few of these, and they can buy a quite a number of payware items from Mr. SCSI, or a few really nice locomotives from Jointed Rail.
The thing is, N3V, and a good part of the Trainz community, has made available hundreds of thousands of free assets, so why the complaint about payware?
At least we have the freely available content available to us, and the option to purchase content as well. The other rail sim (no name mentioned, ahem), has very little freeware. The whole program is built around the pay -for-it-all model, so out of the box you get less, and the content adds up pretty quickly as you want it.
John
There are freeware concerts, or they cost about the same as a payware locomotive, but I'm sure their not the music he'd like to hear,.
Frederick Collection:
www.frederickcollection.org --- $10.00 per concert --- with free snacks at the end.
Boston Clavichord Society:
www.http://bostonclavichord.org -- $15.00 for non-members --- $10.00 for members.
These are far and few between these days, but they're out there, and just like the payware locomotives and other Trainz content, they're worth every dollar spent.
@Kris:
I suppose everything is relative. If someone wants to spend $5.00 a day on a Coffee Collada at Dunkin' Donuts, that's fine with me. Skip a few of these, and they can buy a quite a number of payware items from Mr. SCSI, or a few really nice locomotives from Jointed Rail.
The thing is, N3V, and a good part of the Trainz community, has made available hundreds of thousands of free assets, so why the complaint about payware?
At least we have the freely available content available to us, and the option to purchase content as well. The other rail sim (no name mentioned, ahem), has very little freeware. The whole program is built around the pay -for-it-all model, so out of the box you get less, and the content adds up pretty quickly as you want it.
John
Well said, Patrick.
There are freeware concerts, or they cost about the same as a payware locomotive, but I'm sure their not the music he'd like to hear,.
Frederick Collection:
www.frederickcollection.org --- $10.00 per concert --- with free snacks at the end.
Boston Clavichord Society:
www.http://bostonclavichord.org -- $15.00 for non-members --- $10.00 for members.
These are far and few between these days, but they're out there, and just like the payware locomotives and other Trainz content, they're worth every dollar spent.
@Kris:
I suppose everything is relative. If someone wants to spend $5.00 a day on a Coffee Collada at Dunkin' Donuts, that's fine with me. Skip a few of these, and they can buy a quite a number of payware items from Mr. SCSI, or a few really nice locomotives from Jointed Rail.
The thing is, N3V, and a good part of the Trainz community, has made available hundreds of thousands of free assets, so why the complaint about payware?
At least we have the freely available content available to us, and the option to purchase content as well. The other rail sim (no name mentioned, ahem), has very little freeware. The whole program is built around the pay -for-it-all model, so out of the box you get less, and the content adds up pretty quickly as you want it.
John
I meant to say I have no complaints about payware. I forgot to put I don't have a complaint. Typo. Stupid computer.
I'm not sure that you're being consistent here. You say that you're not against payware, but then you imply that you are. You can't have it both ways.
Kris, I'm not sure how old you are, but do a little reading about the late '70s and early '80s when real inflation was upon us. Inflation has nothing to do with the actual price of something, but rather the rate at which currency is losing it's value. We were in the mid-teens in inflation rates back in those days with cars lined up for blocks at gasoline stations with limits on how many gallons you could buy. I hate to hear all of this complaining about payware from people when they're walking around with their iPods, iPads, 4 and 5 dollar cups of coffee, etc. If you want the payware, cut back on something else and buy it if you really want it. There's lots of things that I'd like to have, but I have to good sense to know that if I can't afford it, I don't buy it.
Mike
Kris, I'm not sure how old you are, but do a little reading about the late '70s and early '80s when real inflation was upon us. Inflation has nothing to do with the actual price of something, but rather the rate at which currency is losing it's value. We were in the mid-teens in inflation rates back in those days with cars lined up for blocks at gasoline stations with limits on how many gallons you could buy. I hate to hear all of this complaining about payware from people when they're walking around with their iPods, iPads, 4 and 5 dollar cups of coffee, etc. If you want the payware, cut back on something else and buy it if you really want it. There's lots of things that I'd like to have, but I have to good sense to know that if I can't afford it, I don't buy it.
Mike
Haha. True Mike. True. Kids don't know how good they have it these days. Just go to a restaurant now and they're full of families. We would go to a restaurant once or twice a year if we were lucky as it was just too dear for us back in the 70s and 80s. Even now, I only buy what I can afford though maybe I visit restaurants more often, just not the type that cater for families though...
Yeah, I haven't been to a restaurant in 2 months. When I was young, we were lucky if we wen't to a restaurant 1 a week on Sundays after Church. I used to work in tobacco fields for $1 per hour (and that was good money for the day) and I cleaned toilets for a living to work my way through college. These entitlement attitudes of today just gripe my rear.
Mike
I'm for payware but it seems to me that money is much less useful than what is was once. That's my point. Sometimes you buy something and it costs 10 dollars when it feels like more like 50 dollars.
Example: A pack of 36 Oreo Cookies at Bel-Air is 4.49 with the exceptional sale which the price is 2.99 but the package was made smaller and the cookies were shrunk and you get less than you used to get but you have to pay more than what it's truly worth. This is even gas and other necessities we all need which is what I'm complaining about. 3 dollars for gas is retarded but that's what happens when we rely on foreign oil.
Cost of labor, shipping, raw materials, energy, compliance with government regulations (affects all three), cost of investment and start up, research and development, taxes ... you name it. A business exists to make a profit, either for the shareholders (publicly owned) or the owners (privately owned). Generally they don't price their wares far above their worth (taking the profit margin into consideration), as they have to compete with other businesses for the customer's dollar.
Well Bel-Air/Raley's is a more expensive grocery store. You can get the same package and quality at Winco or Walmart for half the price. And for JointedRail you can wait till your the payware item you want to go on sale, there "weekly sale" and buy it for half price, sure you cant have it "right now" when it gets released. And also we do not rely on foreign oil, we produce the majority of our Oil consumption in California, Alaska and the Gulf Coast. The prices have to do with Local and State taxes and how much the business is going to charge for gas.
hert:wave:
Kris, I'm no economist but I can still remember some of my lectures from way back. Read this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economics and hopefully it will expand your understanding of this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalism which is what we're stuck with since this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communism has been proved pretty much unworkable.
To stay on topic, I think payware is great. There just isn't much of it for the UK.
To stay on topic, I think payware is great. There just isn't much of it for the UK.
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