Need More "life" in Trainz

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boleyd

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First, I am referring to visual life through advanced lighting. One of the few redeeming qualities of the competitive product is the lighting and shadows. I still wander back to it just to mess around and enjoy the better visual quality. Then I quickly leave when I am told by the vendor that "Something Bad Has Happened".

I do not know the terms, but specular lighting and good shadows does wonders for the program visually. I really like the tank cars there with the round tanks having proper reflectivity. Also, I might mention that most of the rolling stock is visually high quality. The trains inspire you to admire them not just drive them.

Now that is about the extent of praise for that product. My point is, if Trainz had the same visual qualities it would have a very dramatic effect on all routes that were capable of using the advanced techniques.

Windows7 64bit, 4gb memory, 3.3ghz 8400 dualcore, nVidia 240gt 512mb
 
Everyone wishes for an update in the graphics engine. Be careful what you wish for.

"Failworks" in it's present incarnation is one step above "Duke Nukem Forever". A failed collection of mush. "Buy some DLC and call me next year" should be RSC's motto.
Those guys ain't gonna fix that mess.

Have you ever used the cars and rolling stock from the third party vendors. It is better than most of the of "Failworks" content.

Be very CAREFUL what you wish for. Trainz has the most powerful and versitile game engine which trumps being "pretty".

Harold
 
Railworks is a good simulator, with much better graphics than Trainz and more realistic. I find it very annoying people on this forum bash other simulators. It's all just a bunch of nonsence.

In Trainz there aren't any movements, in Trainz there are so many lags compared to Railworks, in Trainz it all look very cartoon except for the Moscow Metro, while Railworks really know how a train looks like. The content for Railworks beat out trainz content by a mile. Try to compare Railworks Northeast Corridor compared to Trainz, see the difference?

Trainz is good if you wish to create content easily, while it's a bit harder in Railworks. You don't need to buy all the DLC, you have two options. Create your own content, or work hard for them. But personally the default routes are ok. There isn't any mess in Railworks at all compared to the annoying CMP in trainz always messing up your content and loosing them.
 
korikovaVL80 said:
Railworks is a good simulator, with much better graphics than Trainz and more realistic. I find it very annoying people on this forum bash other simulators. It's all just a bunch of nonsence.
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I don't know which "Failworks'" you are using but the game is awful in it's present incarnation.

It is basically an arcade game with "lousy" graphics. Check out UKTrainSim and find the 800 post thread about how it doesn't work. I find it unplayable and I have a high end machine. It has a miniscule stutter that gives me a headache after five minutes.

I wanted to like "Failworks" but it just doesn't work.

I hope N3V doesn't drastically alter Trainz and make it unworkable. RSC really screwed up Railworks. Other than graphics there hasn't been an improvement in the simulation part of Railworks.

Be very careful what you wish for

Harold

EDIT: The NEC in Railworks gives no impression of "speed". NEC 4 in MSTS is even better at the "speed feel" than Railworks. MSTS and Trainz may not be a pretty but both have a better "feel"
 
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hminky said:
I don't know which "Failworks'" you are using but the game is awful in it's present incarnation.

It is basically an arcade game with "lousy" graphics. Check out UKTrainSim and find the 800 post thread about how it doesn't work. I find it unplayable and I have a high end machine. It has a miniscule stutter that gives me a headache after five minutes.

I wanted to like "Failworks" but it just doesn't work.

I hope N3V doesn't drastically alter Trainz and make it unworkable. RSC really screwed up Railworks. Other than graphics there hasn't been an improvement in the simulation part of Railworks.

Be very careful what you wish for

Harold
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It used to be booth Railworks 2 and Railworks 3. The reason it didn't work on your machine is probably because of high antialiasing settings, which shouldn't be.

The graphics are excellent, no need to improve that, in my opinion they need to improve the sound, and same goes for trainz.

Railworks has better framerates than Trainz with better graphics. In my older computer which had Intel Pentium 2,30GHZ and Intel GMA 4500 graphics card I could get Railworks to work, but not with Trainz.

Railworks still has better framrate on this machine with Nvidia Geforce 310M than Trainz ever will. It could be a difference in our computers but most likely it's the settings. Mine are maxed except the antialiasing.

Trainz needs to improve in many fields, it needs more quality content, a better graphics engine (the old one is ok but stutters), better sounds (like BVE) and should be a little bit more focused on driving instead of free roaming.

Anna.
 
Technically Anna, you can't say that. As of yet, you do NOT own an authentic copy of Trainz. What you have is a pirated and heavily modified illegal version, and as such is NOT really Trainz at all. Sorry to break this to you, but when your route tree next to your name actually shows a version, your opinion will carry much more weight.
 
WHY WHY WHY do people have to jump into the usual, and ill informed, diatribes on A versus B. You cannot even offer a simple suggestion with another program as an example of the subject. It is VERY annoying to see this instant digression that is completely off topic. I want Trainz to improve lighting and shadows period. What another vendor has done , or fails to do, is totally out of the realm of the comment I made. Please stop mangling the intent of a message for your own rants.
 
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Technically Anna, you can't say that. As of yet, you do NOT own an authentic copy of Trainz. What you have is a pirated and heavily modified illegal version, and as such is NOT really Trainz at all. Sorry to break this to you, but when your route tree next to your name actually shows a version, your opinion will carry much more weight.
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It's not pirated nor illegal, it was given legally from the public transportation. You all already know what I have said about Tatarstan law and I don't want to discuss about this matter anymore. When the next version of Trainz come out I will probably buy it.

It is trainz, it has trainz, it has routes, it has sounds, it's working. What more could you expect? It's not a dummy version that doesn't start up. It's a full simulator.

Opinion about the simulator doesn't matter what version it is, what matters is that Trainz and Railworks are different. And I own a copy of Railworks, it has a serial and everything. But I don't own the DLC, and I don't have them illegally either.
 
boleyd said:
WHY WHY WHY do people have to jump into the usual, and ill informed, diatribes on A versus B. You cannot even offer a simple suggestion with another program as an example of the subject. It is VERY annoying to see this instant digression that is completely off topic. I want Trainz to improve lighting and shadows period. What another vendor has done , or fails to do, is totally out of the realm of the comment I made. Please stop mangling the intent of a message for your own rants.
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You were the one who brought up Railworks. You want Trainz to be Railworks.

I just pointed out how the upgrade made Railworks "mush".

Do we really want Trainz to go the down the road of "Failworks". Sorry, Railworks just doesn't work anymore too much is broken.

OpenRails is another example of "Yeah, it looks pretty" upgrade. It is impossible to save a switching scenario in OpenRails. By the third town the save file has jumped from 132KB to 611,000KB. The OpenRails response "Problem, we don't see a problem, come back later, it's pretty isn't it".

As I said be very careful what you wish for.

Harold
 
These sort of "my train sim is bigger than yours" threads rarely go anywhere and usually end up getting closed by the mods.

Unfortunately none of the current crop of train sims is endowed with a particularly efficient or modern graphics engine. Trainz is Jet with various bits bolted on and needs a 64 bit PC to get the best out of it. Railworks is the old 2005 Kuju graphics engines with bits bolted on which now pretty much needs a 64 bit PC to get the best out of it. All I'll say is that the last series of updates and RSC attempts to fix them has left RW in a fairly dire state - even some of the hardened fanbois of UKTS and TS.com are starting to question where it's all going.

At least Trainz has a nice, stable, easy to use route editor with many thousands of objects, no need to expect others to buy £100 worth of DLC before they can run your freeware route. About the only thing I wish they would fix is the washed out look you get looking through some of the windscreens, but then many of the locos produced for RW have grungy dingy windscreens which obscure the route, too.
 
Stable? Not true at all. Trainz loose content all the time. Last time I checked half of the trains were missing. This doesn't happen in Railworks. I can't see why you people are complaining about this. You are rich, you live in a rich country, you can afford the DLC if you want to buy it, while people like me are happy to be without it.

What if trainz only had payware, would trainz still be alive? Answer is, probably not.

I agree on the expensive DLC price but is Trainz payware much cheaper or better quality? Probably not.
 
korikovaVL80 said:
It's not pirated nor illegal, it was given legally from the public transportation.
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The reason that a few/many are skeptical of the legality of your copy is that the distribution bears all the hallmarks of an illegal operation. It may be that your copy is legal but it is the strangest distribution deal for Trainz that I have ever heard of.

It seems that N3V has decided the status of this special version.
 
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Maybe so, but for me it doesn't matter anymore as I stopped worrying about this version some time ago. It's working, it was given legally (according to Tatarstan law) and it doesn't bring any trouble.

The members of the forum shouldn't care about these things as it's not their business or problem. The problem belongs to the public transport or auran. Not the casual user or the people who recieved them.

In the other forums it isn't like this, in there you barely get reminded of these issues. And on the Russian forum you actually get more support if you have a (real) illegal download from a torrent. It's the other way around.

The Russians didn't mind at all when I asked about the sound issue, instead they tried to help. For them that was more important as it brings more content to the train simulator.

It can happen an eastern european or Russian person understands this more than the west, for some reason...

For you people, it's pirated and *"illegal"*. For the Russians it's a normal version of trainz, nobody cares. But they care to help. Even me as my own person help people who have "pirated" versions of anything.

It's not a pirated version, the menus are different, the trains are different, the routes are different, the CMP is disabled, I believe the only thing it has from trainz is the graphic engine and scripts. I'm not that advanced so I don't know.

And again, it doesn't matter to me, and it shouldn't to you who are reading this either.

N3V decided it's pirated, I have no problem with that. But at the same time when I asked the employee, he says it's a gift for the people :) Everyone is different, and have different opinions over it.
 
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Vern said:
Unfortunately none of the current crop of train sims is endowed with a particularly efficient or modern graphics engine.
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I always have an image of a bunch of TrainSimmers up on a hill with a F7 made out of twigs and logs waiting for the "Great Train Sim" to appear like the "Cargo Cultists" in New Guinea waiting for airplanes.

When there was word of a new train sim was coming out of 3D Train Stuff that created a tremor in the herd.

http://www.run8studios.com/

Harold
 
KorikovaVL80

I'm so sad that you didn't buy the original version of TS from N3V, because in last time you are very often on forum with some good points.:hehe:
 
celje said:
KorikovaVL80

I'm so sad that you didn't buy the original version of TS from N3V, because in last time you are very often on forum with some good points.:hehe:
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As I stated on the other page of this thread, I may buy the next version that comes. If economy allow me to... If Trainz was around 10-20 USD it would be ok, a little expensive for this country but affordable. Keep in mind I barely knew what Trainz was before the public transport gave me the CD :o
 
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korikovaVL80 said:
As I stated on the other page of this thread, I may buy the next version that comes. If econmy allow me to... It Trainz was around 10-20 USD it would be ok, a little expensive for this country but affordable. Keep in mind I barely knew what Trainz was before the public transport gave me the CD :o
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I'm so sorry, according the international law you are the pirat.
Administrator, please be so kind and block korikovaVL80 approach to the forum, piracy is not desired on this official forum.
 
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celje said:
I'm so sorry, according the international law you are the pirat.
Administrator, please be so kind and block korikovaVL80 approach to the forum, piracy is not desired on this official forum.
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According to national law I'm a citizen, so it doesn't matter.
 
What a waste of time to suggest something here. People simply poised and waiting for an opportunity to post in strong declarative tones opinions that are far from the subject. As one said, I mentioned Railworks and that made it ok to begin bashing it. Very strange logic. So many experts and so little knowledge.

Anyhow, does anyone agree that Trainz could use some freshening in the graphics area.
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