My thougths on TS 2009 (part 3)

[andrev]

Hi.

Here I'm talking about signals and speed limit.

On my huge 200 km single track route, I'm using by-pass siding every 10 km or so to let incoming traffic pass in opposite direction. This mean I can wait at a red signal for about 10 minutes while the incoming train is entering the by-pass. Because of this configuration, I've been force to use a maximum speed limit of 60 km/h what is really slow for an express passenger train but okay for a freight train. The reason why my speed limits are so slow is simple. If I'm waiting at the red signal, that give a yellow light to the incoming train and automatically it reduce half way the speed limit except if the speed limit is slower than 60 km/h.

This mean if I would use a 90 km/h speed limit between the by-pass, the incoming train would travel at 45 km/h instead of 60 the way I made it. That would make the waiting time longer at the red signal.

Now in TS2009, things changed for the best. Now when the incoming train approach a yellow signal, it reduce its speed half way or so but increase its speed back to the speed limit used on the main line. This means I can now use much faster speed limit between my by-pass and the train will keep its speed until it approach the red signal where it will reduce its speed to stop a long way before the red signal. Its fantastic.

A thumb up !

Andre.

 

[Lots_Trains]

That speeding back up is actually a bug and is suppose to be or is going been fixed. To solve your problem put an invisible signal at the beginning of you passing loop, it will keep your train running at the proper speed while on the main

Cheers

 

[andrev]

Lots trains

Are you serious !!! As found this very usefull its actually a bug !! I find really stupid trains are going half speed on a yellow signal. Does the real trains do that, I don't think so.

I may try your suggestion.

Andre.

 

[Lots_Trains]

Yup thats how it works in the real world, depends a bit on the signaling system but thats the general rule

Cheers

 

[andrev]

Lots trains.

I checked on DLS and didn't find any invisble speed signs. Do you have an idea where to get them ???

Andre.

 

[TheStoon]

No driver would slow to half speed upon sighting a caution signal, they'd use their route knowledge and slow when necessary. The behaviour in the beta is I feel much more prototypical, I really hope it doesn't revert!

Lets look at it like this, if a driver is aware a signal is a mile away, and he knows his train can get from line speed to a full stop in half a mile why would he slow down at the caution signal? He would be aware that the next signal might be red and drive accordingly. The only reason a driver would automatically slow at the sight of a caution would be if a driver is unaware of the signalling in front of him. This would never happen on an operational railway.

 

[Lots_Trains]

andrev

The kuid you want is <kuid2:45324:24020:1> its showing on the DLS thats the one I use

Stoon

Depends on the signaling system, but if you want to set it up for prototypical stuff you have to set the signals up right, you have to have a 02 signal just before the begining of the loop and an 03 about 1/2km before the loop so you will have a green until you get to the 03 which will show if you have to diverge then the 02 will give you a yellow at the begining of the loop I loop speed here is 25kph. but I beleive places in the worls where yellow is half speed.

If ya want to learn proper signaling set up read this tut

http://trains.0catch.com/Tut4-IntroToSignaling.htm

If you want a proper train control type enviroment set up use the path command in ya sessions

Cheers

 

[deeelare]

The way I have always understood the signaling in the US is , if an engineer approaches a yellow signal , he slows to 1/2 speed until he reaches the next signal , if that signal is red , he of course stops , if it is green , he proceeds at the posted speed .

And "I could be wrong" - Tim Wilson --- ,DLR

 

[TheStoon]

Ah well, being used to UK signalling I have no idea about the US. But our train schedules here would fall apart if trains slowed that much at a caution signal. I guess for it to fit everywhere it'd have to be configurable by signal type. The problem with invisible signals is they mess up the aspecting of the signals - its not nice to go from a green to a red because the invisible signal was showing caution...

 

[andrev]

Lots trains

I found and tried the invisible signal. Wow, really that fixed my problem and its now even better than what I had before. Now I can change all my speed limits to match my route.

I also found the invisible speed sign which is perfect too for my bypass entries. All this make big difference on my route and my purposes.

Thanks for suggesting that to me. I should have use that much before today.

Andre.

 

[Lots_Trains]

Cheers mate glad you got it going, read up on that tut above and take your signaling to the next level, then you can get rid of the invis signals and still keep the correct speeds:wave:

Cheers