My history of TRAINZ

AB80135

FORMER SHUNTER
TRAINZ 2006 bought, installed, played no problem.TRAINZ 2009 bought,installed loads of problems,played.TRAINZ 2010 bought,installed,installed again and again,finally worked,played.TRAINZ 2012 bought,installed countless times finally got it work then it kept turning the pc off,so went back to 2010 and blow me the same thing happened again.From Trainz 2010 I have been using windows 7 64 bit on a pc with a Gforce gt780i graphics card,8 core cpu,32 gb ram.I then decided to try the above on my old pc to see if it was windows 7 that was the problem,guess what both trainz 2010 and 2012 work perfectly on a claped out system useing windows xp 32 bit Gforce gts250 graphics card, 4 core cpu and 4gb ram.So what doesent trainz like about windows 7 64 bit.Answers on a postcard please.:confused:
 
Hi AB80135,

When you say shutting down, does it reboot your computer, or just crash to the desktop?

There are many causes for this including faulty hardware such as a failing hard drive, faulty memory, overheating CPU, dirty fans, or even possibly a corrupted operating system, or old or corrupted drivers.

Windows 7 64-bit, and even Windows 8.1, handle Trainz TS12 quite fine. In fact I'm running Trainz TS12 right now on Windows 8.1 without any issues at all.

John
 
Hi Jcitron,When I say shuts down I mean shuts down literally,completely,powers off totally,I have to turn it back on again.The pc I am using is 13 months old and gets a good cleaning once a month with an air jet,all drivers are up to date,it runs all my other games and apps no problem.Thanks for answering.
 
Thank you for those details. :)

This sounds like faulty hardware.

You could possibly have a failing power supply, or one that can't handle the load that Trainz puts on the machine, or perhaps there is not enough thermal compound on your CPU which is causing the chip to overheat and shut the computer down.

If you purchased your machine from a local builder, talk to them about warranty replacement if there is one.

Hope this helps.

John
 
Hi John, I have to say that my rig is ultra high spec like the OP's rig and it is simply impossible that TRS12 is placing too many demands on the hardware. My GPU is watercooled and when I run TRS12 there is no discernible heat coming from the backplate but when running Far Cry 3 it still warms up but never crashes. The first time I ran a train in TRS12 my rig crashed totally and it destroyed Windows 7 so I had to do a fresh install. This is more than a glitch.
 
Hi John, I have to say that my rig is ultra high spec like the OP's rig and it is simply impossible that TRS12 is placing too many demands on the hardware. My GPU is watercooled and when I run TRS12 there is no discernible heat coming from the backplate but when running Far Cry 3 it still warms up but never crashes. The first time I ran a train in TRS12 my rig crashed totally and it destroyed Windows 7 so I had to do a fresh install. This is more than a glitch.

If a program crashes that hard enough to corrupt the operating system, then there's something wrong with the hardware. Seriously. My rig isn't much different than yours, except for the 680GTX and the water cooling which I don't have, and I've never seen anything like that. I see temps about 58C for my CPU continuously and no higher than 50C when using Trainz TS12 full graphics sliders and windowed while I'm browsing on my second monitor either on the forums, or watching YouTube videos.

What can cause that kind of problem?

Bad memory for one. I'd run MemTest86 and see what that has to say. The RAM today usually doesn't have error correction so there could be a flipped bit somewhere, or even marginally so enough, to cause data corruption.

I had a desktop many years ago that I could not install, then new, Windows NT 4.0 Workstation on. I would go through the process of installing only to have it crash as though the hard drive was faulty. In fact the message was something about a corrupted hard drive image. After trying a new hard drive, I went back to the place where I purchased the computer and the owner tried new memory which I didn't have. Problem solved in about 20 seconds. It was all about timing issues with the DIMMs. Memory issues can be troublesome to find because RAM can and will pass diagnostics, but will fail when put under stress.

Other issues too such as poor power from the mains will cause flaky problems. A poor ground, for example, can wreak havoc all over the place as it causes the logic levels to float ever so slightly. This floating can cause bits to change from a zero to a one and cause programs to crash and can cause data corruption. Speaking of power, a marginally working power supply can do this too. The problem is usually the +12V rail as this is split off for multiple uses. The +12 is used to drive the hard drives and is split up to +5 for other devices, and then that is split off to the lower values for RAM and motherboard components. If this rail is poorly regulated, then this can cause weird faults including data corruption which is caused by bad voltages driving both the memory and the hard drives.

So, given the history of data corruption, this is surely one area I'd look into as well.

John
 
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In addition to that, the hard drive is another area to check, as a bad sector or two can cause issues as well, especially after a sudden shutdown.

Shane
 
I had a similar problem with my last desktop machine. It handled Trainz ok but would just shut down without warning.
My problem turned out to be a faulty fan on the video card.
cheers,
Mike
 
Sounds like a power supply related issue to me if the power totally shuts off. That, or your hardware (CPU, video card, etc.) is drawing more power than they should. I had similar problems with my old PC (running XP) that included random blue screening that were cured by replacing the power supply with a larger one. I don't think it has anything to do with Windows 7.
 
And I seem to me that you have to apply the paste on the CPU then (probably) will stops turn off. Because if temperature is too high PC will turn off automatically.
 
I wanted to chime in with my humble opinion. I agree that it's probably hardware-related: overheating, RAM, and power supply are all suspects...in that order. Good luck!

Darrel
 
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