Murchison update: I still have invisible locos

[jkfrench]

Hmmm ... so you deleted tdd024_1, _2 & _3 directories ... performed an EDR ... after the EDR you redownloaded ... after you redownloaded you did a QDR ... and after the QDR you still have invisible locos? I've done those exact steps (well, except on my laptop I did a QDR instead of an EDR) ... on two machines and it's worked both times. Do you have any Faulty Assets (that just checking for Erorrs/Warnings will fix)? Any missing dependencies? Any Out of Date assets? I did the same thing with the Treez DLC (if you have it, and you have what seems to be no rolling stock behind your locomotives in the Demo Session, there should be ... invisible again) ... deleting packages\n3v_sc01 and going through the QDR, redownload, QDR again should fix that too. Wonder if they are related and you need both (if you don't have TREEZ probably doesn't matter obviously). Oh ... and interestingly after I re-downloaded TREEZ it automatically redownloaded SnC too (even though I left that alone in the packages directory ... so, it might be worth the time/effort to also redo SnC ... don't know, just throwing out some ideas).

 

[RFAX]

I tried deleting the folders noted above, did an EDR, redownloaded Murchison. Tried it - loco still not visible. Did an EDR, no change. A bit strapped for time and don't have a 'clean' TS12 install to start from so a bit limited in what I can do right now to experiment. Murchison is the only DLC package I have. Note: the loco is also invisible in Railyard

 

[dnevans8]

Yesterday I spent the whole day going through the process of deleting the tdd024_1, _2 & _3 directories, waiting for a validation to complete, doing an EDR, waiting for a validation to complete, re-downloading the files, waiting for a validation to complete, doing an EDR, waiting for a validation to complete, only to find like RFAX that nothing had changed. Perhaps we are being directed to different files on different servers some of which have missed the updates so some are still getting the old files.

I have a ticket in but so far all that has been suggested is follow the above procedure, it was a quick reply so thank you for that Zec.

 

[gremlin1812]

G'day, well three days of jumping through hoops finally got things to show up, this is far from user friendly and if I was a fairly new user I quite probably would have thrown my hands in the air and binned the lot. The issue I found was there were a lot of assets showing "out of date" when you checked their "view asset versions" there are assets listed with "?". I deleted those and the out of date were no longer out of date, after clearing all of these I then did an EDR then reinstalled the DLC did a QDR which was followed up by a lengthy validation and all that was invisible before was now there.
OK end result was good but this does not excuse the failure of this DLC system for failing to install correctly first up without the user having to jump through a whole bunch of techno hoops to achieve that result. It is things like this that turn people off and it seems N3V don't care as long as they have there precious DRM, it does not seem to matter if all of the validating and other stuff interferes with the users experience.
Barrie

 

[Tanvaras]

Understand your pain Barrie, I have still got the issue where Murchison fails to download and install constantly no matter what way I try, one section at a time, all at once etc "Nothing Works" <----- Are you reading this N3V? I own Murchinson and one other DLC and I can tell you "I will never buy another product from you!" Trainz 2012 is the very last version I own and shall be. I feel like I have been ripped off over the products "I paid for!!!" and can no longer use. Oh and before a mod comes on and says its my internet etc, I am an IT specialist and been working in the IT business for over 25 years now. I know what I am doing and have a good net connection for Australia 20 meg down 2 meg up and every file I have ever downloaded from around the planet has worked first time every time frojm 1 meg to 50 gig. It's the pee poor DRM BS N3V has decided to put in place, I recommend (N3V) google the hassles many people have with DRM and why its pathetic to use it.

Anyways glad you got it sorted finally, I have given up and close to giving up completely in N3V/Aurans products for good.

 

[Termin]

At present, the authors performed wonders updates - lots of rolling stock NG killed altogether.:hehe:

New advertising slogan - "Buy yourself "Murchison" - buy yourself some new challenges!"

Maybe - it's time to go "Railworks"?

 

[xcrossi]

Well if I had that much trouble I would flood Murchison with many e-mails.
I saved myself a lot of trouble by up dating my Murchison 2004 payware to 12+H4
I had lite blue screens and errors/warnings but eventually fixed ALL errors although I still have many warnings.
All splines fixed all rolling stock fixed all scenery fixed thanks to the forum and PEV's tools.
my old Murchison 2004 runs and looks just fine.
Iv been waiting for 6 or 7 years for part 3... now not so much.

 

[Termin]

This paid addition creates many problems:

http://forums.auran.com/trainz/showthread.php?110437-Download-of-updated-Murchison-2-fails
http://forums.auran.com/trainz/show...amp-C-Speeder-10-quot-lt-kuid2-86661-10-1-gt-

 

[gremlin1812]

At present, the authors performed wonders updates - lots of rolling stock NG killed altogether.:hehe:

New advertising slogan - "Buy yourself "Murchison" - buy yourself some new challenges!"

Maybe - it's time to go "Railworks"?

Railworks, you have to be joking, that's out of the frying pan and into the fire. Talk about DRM with railjerks you have steam to fight with.
But have fun with it tarmin.

 

[Termin]

I am writing in despair at the death of his beloved TRS ...:'(

 

[sdiesel]

Railworks, you have to be joking, that's out of the frying pan and into the fire. Talk about DRM with railjerks you have steam to fight with.
But have fun with it tarmin.

heh....tbh i see the same exact thing there, it's fire on both sides. at least rw has amazing physics and superb graphics, trainz still wins for me because of the dls.

also seems like it would be best to stay away from these payware routes, i swear ive seen more about murchison problems in the past two weeks than i know about the damn route. i do wonder who broke it though lol.

 

[gremlin1812]

G'day, when it's all boiled down, it is NOT the author that is at fault, but rather N3V's DRM and DLC system failing to process the update correctly. If you loaded the updated Murchison as a new install it will have no problem, but, if you have the previous version installed this is where the problems arise and where N3V's system has failed.
Regards
Barrie

 

[ANDYPC]

I also am suffering from the invisible locomotives. I recognise that this is a N3V problem not the author of the Murchison route & sessions.

I allowed the recent update to self install which it did correctly. In the Ore barge to Pt Ross session the GP9's are both invisible as others have reported.

I have been through the delete tdd024-2 directories, EDR, re-download, EDR loop and the locomotives are still invisible.

In Content Manager the CP 8509 GP9 kuid2:38304:8509:1 shows up as Build Version 1.3 which is presumably why it cannot be displayed in session nor in the Railyard.

Looking in my TS2010 Murchison 2 the GP9 is visible in Railyard and session.

In that installation it is showing as kuid2:38304:8509:1 Build Version 2.9.

Not very good configuration control by N3V to have 2 identically versioned items which are actually different.

Of course now that TS2012 has DRM we are not allowed to delete the built-in items and import the copy from TS2010. We also not allowed to edit what is now claimed to be payware but seems to have be freeware in the original author's, Sandman2, licence statement.


Please N3V sort out this whole DRM/ DLC situation. I spend more time trying to get a working system than driving trains!

Andy

 

[gremlin1812]

G'day Andy, here is how I got things going, in CM search "out of date" (I had about 2500) now select about 25 to 30 at a time right click and select "view asset versions" on the popup that appears select "view in main list" you should find a bunch of assets with "?" as their "type", DELETE these.
After repeating the above many times I was left with 5 actual out of date assets which I updated and then did a QDR and all came out good. This is something the program should do and the old way used to do it quite efficiently.
Regards
Barrie

 

[xcrossi]

TRZ12-H4
I don't understand this statement:

In Content Manager the CP 8509 GP9 kuid2:38304:8509:1 shows up as Build Version 1.3 which is presumably why it cannot be displayed in session nor in the Railyard.





When I downloaded EMD GP9 CP 8509 kuid2:38304:8509:1 v2.9 It had a EZ repair error.

 

[ZecMurphy]

Good Morning All
We are definitely looking into this, however it may take some time to resolve. A fresh install of the DLC pack will definitely install all items so that they work correctly.

If you are willing to try a few ideas to help us to locate this issue, please try the following:

Can you please try manually re-installing the Murchison 2 pack.

To do this, please go to Windows Explorer (or My Computer), and then navigate to your Trainz folder (the default location is C:\Program Files (x86)\N3V Games\TS12 or equivalent). In your Trainz folder, please open the folder marked 'UserData', and then go to the folder marked 'packages'. Please then locate the folders marked 'tdd024_1', 'tdd024_2', and 'tdd024_3', and then delete these folders (or move it to another location on your computer). Please then go to the 'Cache' folder (located in the 'UserData' folder), and then go to the folder called 'Internet'. Please select all files, except the file called 'Cachefile.txt', and delete them.

Next, please try running an extended database repair in Content Manager.

To do this, first remove all items from the downloads queue, then go to 'file', and then click on 'extended database repair'. Once the repair has completed, please then load Trainz and check that the Murchison 2 routes are no longer showing in the Routes list. Please note, if Trainz automatically starts downloading the DLC packages, please cancel the downloads.

If they are not present in Routes list, then please go to the 'Get New Content' menu, then click on 'redownload all purchases', and allow the download(s) to complete and install.

Regards

 

[dnevans8]

xcrossi - do you have Murchison DLC installed ? If you do not then the asset you are downloading from the dls is not the same one as that installed by the Murchison DLC pack despite it having the same kuid. The one from Murchison has a privileges tag set to payware and this tag does not appear in the asset from the dls so you are not comparing the same asset. This is the case with a number of assets not showing up in the Murchison sessions. My guess is that Trainz cannot get round the protection to make these older assets show in game.

 

[xcrossi]

Sorry for misunderstanding.
So you cant delete said payware asset and replace with DLC asset.
What would happen if you removed locos the payware tag.
In 2004 I downloaded the Payware directly from Murchison.
When I bought TRZ12 I updated the payware to TRZ12_H4
I fix and updated all splines, textures,freeware locos and rolling stock and scenery
I'm not trying to compare assets but it is the same layout design.

Most of the time when theirs been a problem with DL's it has been a mistake on my part.

 

[dnevans8]

xcrossi -

"So you cant delete said payware asset and replace with DLC asset." - it is built-in so cannot be deleted, in fact the protection seems to be greater than ordinary built-in assets because the privilege tag says payware.

"What would happen if you removed locos the payware tag." - it cannot be removed because you can neither edit nor clone the asset.

"I'm not trying to compare assets but it is the same layout design." - As far as I am aware there is nothing wrong with the route or sessions themselves it is some of the assets that are the problem and the most recent Murchison DLC update does not seem to be working for many of us.

I have got round the problem by downloading the most recent versions of the locomotives or wagons from the DLS into a pre SP1 version of Trainz and incrementing the versions to one above those in the Murchinson sessions and have them working.

So there are two problems many are having:
1) why will Trainz not display the DRM protected assets?
and
2) why wont the new DLC update overwrite the old version of Murchison for everybody?

 

[ANDYPC]

Zec,

Thanks for you reply.

I have followed your instructions, hopefully correctly! This is basically what I did the first time but without clearing the cache directory (except cachefile.txt).

However after running the EDR I still have lots of Murchison related items including the main routes showing in Content Manager; Murchison was installed in my TS2012 before the introduction of DLC. I was even able to open the route session in driver, although still with invisible locomotives.

I have not downloaded the DLC content again and I kept screen shots of the items removed by the EDR if that is of interest.

What I will do is to repeat the EDR to see if it picks anything else up. However I would not expect the EDR to remove items from the database that belong to the pre-DLC installation of Murchison.


Regards,
Andy

Edit: As expected a repeat EDR did not find any further items to be deleted from the database.