Model Railroader not taking V scalers seriously?

I seen the article too thought was pretty funny!
I was like a WII system virtual headache sheeesh they gotta be kidding!

But virtual or actual modeling its gonna cost ya either crafting skills or
computing skills they both have theyre darksides lol!

And who cannot forget the wish lists we all have in mind!
The way to expensive loco or the when or how am I gonna learn gmax to build my own............

Have a nice day all!

Dave =)
 
An old topic now, for sure, but one I just had to reply to.
It's not surprising that printed media would not see virtual railroading as a legitimate or serious part of the hobby. People are often slow to see emerging trends...just ask anyone in the phonograph equipment industry when they first saw these funny little flat things called "CDs"...
I think virtual model railroading is an adjunct to the hobby rather than a separate branch of it. Its like "armchair" model railroading but with more activity. I for one think MR and other publications should embrace it for what it is, something that can enhance our hobby, draw people to it, and expand the horizons of the industry. However, sadly... it is often the case that few have the foresight, these days, to see over the horizon. Or even, past their own noses.
I have been in the hobby, off an on, for more than thirty years. Seen a LOT of changes in that time. And I must say that in all that time, I have always hated model railroading but loved having model railroaded. Make sense? There is much that I dont like about the hands on part of the hobby...like benchwork (no carpenter, me) or wiring (Ugh!) or even track laying, but LOVE doing scenery and running trains although with all that it takes to get trains on tracks... never get to run them as much as I would have liked.
Now back to the magazine... would you buy (for a reasonable price) a download of this months featured layout in MR? Or their latest project layout, as a trainz layout you can run on and play with? Me, personally, probably yes.
Even if they weren't finished to a high degree of detail I would still be interested, as I can easily add that myself, and can also opt to change era easily etc, locale or equipment. Would that make me more inclined to actually look at making some of these layouts? Me personally...yes. Being able to quickly tailor a plan to suit my tastes gives enormous flexibility to the project.

At present I have no layouts, or even trains other then a few On30 locos gathering dust. But with virtual trainz I can have every layout I ever wanted, more than I could ever build in real life, and try many different themes, eras, fits and styles, and when it comes time to build a layout in the future I will certainly being using Trainz as a building and testing tool before I so much as put saw to timber.
So there, my 2 cents worth (actually worth 1.87c US). I think "V scale" should be seen as an integral part of the hobby rather than a stand alone section that is apart from it. Otherwise, it fosters that sort of elitist snobbery of "if it aint plaster and wood, it aint no good."

Thank you for listening.
We now return you to your regularly scheduled programs.

BD

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Hi guys

I have read this thread with interest.

I have been with TRAINZ since before it was released ... about 6 years now ... . I have made a large range of models and spent about 4000 hrs building the Murchison Layout. I also got burnt by the snide sarcastic comments made by table top modellers and train magazine editors (I suggested to the NZ Trainz Club Magazine editor about doing an artical on the Murchison layout .. being that it was local ... his comments where basically that it wasn't real modelling) ... so I spat teh dummy and cancelled my subscription

Before TRAINZ came along I had a large rumpus room HO layout which cost me a fortune ... every new steamer became a sort-after addition to my layout. 6 months before MSTS ot TRAINZ came along I dismantled the whole layout for a house move and sold everything except the track, ponts and electrics.
I decided that to keep the cost down I would model ON30 (O gauge on HO track) Because there wasn't so much around I would not be so tempted to buy new locos and rollign stock ....

Anyway along came MSTS and then TRAINZ and I decided that I would never build another scale model again.
I became totally engrossed in TRAINZ and became an absolute COMPUTER POTATO.

After about 4 year of this I was a TRAIN "wreck" and I had to do something to get myself away from the 'puter so, after a 5 year break from my models , I started building my On30 layout in the garage.
- rooms been done
- bench work is finished
- track is laid ... and I am now running trains ... and enjoying it

Give up my virtual Trains???? .... NEVER
Throw away my shed layout??? ... not in the forseeable future

I reckon they are both excellent ...

If you're thinking about biffing your real layout .... I suggest that you just close the door for a year or three and let the dust settle while you let the computer screen wreck your eyesight and then .. when you need a hobby to get you away from the 'puter ... you can just turn the hobby room lights back on

cheers
Michael
 
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You'll find a much better reception at Railroad Model Craftsman. They published a 2-part article by Mark Baldwin a few years ago, a guest editorial by me in the second of that series, a full article by me year before last on an MSTS subway route, and have two more Trainz articles by me waiting in qeue. Editor Bill Schaumburg has said he's willing to publish one article a year on VR. He's also very happy to have had some positive responses and no negative responses to VR articles.

Way back, Brian Eckard and I had a long 3-way phone conversation with Terry Thompson, then MR Editor. We, with the support of Henk Plaggemars, were pushing to get regular coverage. Terry was an MSTS fan, but his marketing guru put the brakes on any possibility of regular coverage. Since then, Terry has been given another job, MR sees VR as a model building aid and I have not submitted any articles to them (mainly because RMC has been more receptive).

I suspect MR lost a lot of confidence when MS dropped MSTS. Auran has yet to make the impact that it should have and Kuju's latest offering doesn't live up to expectations. I suspect that when MSTS2 hits the shelves in another year we will see a revitalized VR hobby.

This is just my take on things, but remember the initial MSTS was not user friendly when it came to route building. I believe MS built MSTS on the Flight Simulator model, which has a good 3rd-party payware business going and two slick magazines covering the hobby. FS and MSTS were never intended to be easy for the average user to create in. Trainz is so easy when it comes to route building (which is a main reason why I like Trainz so much) that 3rd-party payware developers haven't thought it worth their while to develop routes. The reality is, most free routes - like mine - are fictitious, using only off-the-shelf items built-in or available as DLS items. If a 3rd-party developer were to seriously undertake a real route with true scenery and rolling stock, I believe there would be a market.

Al
 
If a 3rd-party developer were to seriously undertake a real route with true scenery and rolling stock, I believe there would be a market.

It already exists, dear Al.

http://denver.trainzitalia.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2

With some artistic personal tailoring for good, but very accurate. Model railroading could never reach that level (I was never able to, due my budget limitations), model railroaders usually tailor themselves deeper and oftener than we do in Trainz, most of times with unrealistic conventions.

The self-tailoring side of Alberte :wave:
 
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I started railroading back in 1948 with a little oval of Lionel for Christmas up in Fairbanks, Alaska. I loved it and still have one of the cars left. I picked up the bug again several times, while I was growing up, and, when my dad was stationed for three years in Germany I got started in HO. I then moved down to N while I was stationed in Japan and still have loads of that in my basement.

With my arthritis in my back I just can't get under layouts now to do anything, much less reach out over tracks to work without hurting, so I've had to give it up except for my Trainz.

For what it's worth, I used to get Model Railroader also, but finally had to give it up when the pages of advertisement overcame the pages of content. In the many years I took the magazine I never saw a bad review of anything even though a lot of stuff out there was really terrible and cried out for a bad review.

As items in whatever scale you happen to be modeling continue to escalate in price, I am thinking that more and more will be coming to v-scale. As for me and the rest of us who cooperated in building the Darjeeling Route, I can only say this:

If anyone wanted to put our route into a HOn3 "table" layout, you would have to have a room about 1205 feet long by 631 feet wide, with ceilings around 100 feet as the trainboard would rise form hip level to over 74 feet. Any train would take over 7 actual hours to complete the journey. You would need binoculars to follow it's progress. You would never see the same scenery twice except for some duplicated background buildings and such and even then, they had four sides to them - each different.

Try THAT in your basic garage.

Bill
 
...can I reiterate this?


IT'S A FRICKIN' JOKE!

Honestly, some people just can't take a joke.... If you can't laugh at yourself, you probably need some form of help.
 
Railway modelling v Virtual railwaying

I'm seriously considering tearing it out and attempting to recuperate some of my investment. The reason? $$$.

Ben

We moved house a few months ago and all of my OO gauge stuff went on e-bay and sold like the proverbial hot cakes. Even part completed (part painted even) plastic kits, and unboxed locos were snapped up. Unfortunately the proceeds all appear to have gone into the "new plants for the new garden" fund instead of the "payware for Trainz" fund, but that's a different matter.

As far as the mags are concerned, I tend to regard them as a source for inspiration - a nice station layout is a nice station layout.

Richard
 
It already exists, dear Al.

http://denver.trainzitalia.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2

With some artistic personal tailoring for good, but very accurate. Model railroading could never reach that level (I was never able to, due my budget limitations), model railroaders usually tailor themselves deeper and oftener than we do in Trainz, most of times with unrealistic conventions.

The self-tailoring side of Alberte :wave:

From the screen shots, that looks like outstanding work.

Al

 
i see both sides

first off, yea V scale you can drive the engines and don't have spend 400, 700, or even 3000 USD on a good big boy like broadway limited import big boys (nice engine tho for 3000 all brass moving doors windows ect) and you can build a good sized railroad/way in trainz for alot less time and money (which helps me cause i don't have alot of cash(only 16)) and if you know Gmax can build anything you need for trainz, but on the other side some people like to have something they can feel and mess with it ( not to mention the real model look nice to show off to people ) were as TRS is to me more to my self, you could argue this on and on but when you get down to it it's more of personal prefrences, i think V Scale is reativly new and will get more well know over time, look how old model railroading is, i like both so thats what i have say about it (sorry for bad spelling)
 
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