Red_Rattler
Since 09 May 2003
Robogo, did you buy direct from Auran, and do you reside anywhere within Australia?
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I'm Done - My last say.
- Thread starter robogo
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This has probably been mentioned before but I can't be bothered reading every post in this thread
What about Microsoft stopping support on Windows 98 and 2000 no one stopped using them I knew someone who was on doze 98 when Vista came out. Big business's can afford to keep supporting products little ones can't, MS is BIG, Auran is TINY and thus has to draw the line somewhere to be able to move on with better and better products.
Louise is correct. Just because support is pulled, it doesn't stop the program working. Okay, so no more free downloads but you can still download if you want to pay a nominal fee. The FCT cost is AU$24.99 (US$22.40, £14.43 ) per year. For me, that's 28 pence a week!
I did have TRS06 for years but decided upgrade was due despite there being no problems with the program itself and it was only a matter of time before support would be pulled. I don't have money to throw away on such things but I accept that it is the cost, quite literally, of progress.
In software company terms, Auran is a minute. They are perfectly justified in trying to prolong their survival and in doing so, continue to develop a sustainable product.
I did have TRS06 for years but decided upgrade was due despite there being no problems with the program itself and it was only a matter of time before support would be pulled. I don't have money to throw away on such things but I accept that it is the cost, quite literally, of progress.
In software company terms, Auran is a minute. They are perfectly justified in trying to prolong their survival and in doing so, continue to develop a sustainable product.
amigacooke
Well-known member
Microsoft provided no support to MSTS other than one patch. Additional content is all third party and the cost of provision has been entirely left to the MSTS community.
Railsimulator.com provides content which it sells through Steam. However, the provision of third party content and its associated cost is once again left entirely to the supporting community.
Auran produced content is sold through its shop for which there is no charge on bandwidth. Where Auran have differed from the previous two companies is that they have chosen to provide a central repository for third party produced content. Instead of leaving the costs to be entirely borne by the community, for supported product it is possible to access that content entirely at Auran's cost.
cascaderailroad
New member
WhEEEEE ... You really doooo waaant one ...
I held out for the longest time, slowly, painfully, agonizingly, downloading at 3.75 Kbs Zzzzzzzzz... Now, with a 1 Year FCT, for less than 6 cents per day ... zooma zoom zoom I'm downloading at lightning speeds of @375 Kbs or better.
I held out for the longest time, slowly, painfully, agonizingly, downloading at 3.75 Kbs Zzzzzzzzz... Now, with a 1 Year FCT, for less than 6 cents per day ... zooma zoom zoom I'm downloading at lightning speeds of @375 Kbs or better.
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pommie - Vodaphone, or in my case Vodacom is in the business of selling bandwidth, Auran is in the business of selling games.
alanti - it is not a question of affordabillity but rather concept.
Red_Rattler - I bought my version of Trainz from a local Gaming Shop, called BT Games in South Africa. (the version of Trainz that I bought is also the only version of Trainz I ever saw on a shop shelf in SA)(you can be assured if Trainz 2010 is locally available that many thousands of copies will be sold).
Lou_T - like I initially said, this is not about stopping support, but withdrawing a service that was promised in kind (it clearly states on the back cover of the Trainz cd case that I will have free access to tens of thousands of downloadable items).
pfx - you bring me back to one of the points I'm trying to raise, yes Auran is minute and they will stay minute if this is the way in which they choose to do their business.
Whe all need Auran to grow, whe need them to grow in order to provide us with a much better and improved version of Trainz every year, there is no reason for them not to become really big, like many other Gaming Companies did over the past 10 years.
Why is every body, including Auran content in being minute, content to just prolong their survival, why are you satisfied with a product that has not seen much growth (compared to most other games) in the past 10 years ?
Please see the big picture, Trainz CAN BE a really BIG title with millions of users.
If they do not want to learn from the big Gaming Companies, perhaps they should learn from China and Russia, for instance in Africa the Middle East and South America there is a huge awakaning market, hungry for a piece of virtual action, but they will not pay for bandwidth for which they already pay dearly.
Let me repeat myself, Trainz have the potential to be really BIG, I for one want them to be BIG, it is in my interest, for if they do not grow they will sink and fade away.
alanti - it is not a question of affordabillity but rather concept.
Red_Rattler - I bought my version of Trainz from a local Gaming Shop, called BT Games in South Africa. (the version of Trainz that I bought is also the only version of Trainz I ever saw on a shop shelf in SA)(you can be assured if Trainz 2010 is locally available that many thousands of copies will be sold).
Lou_T - like I initially said, this is not about stopping support, but withdrawing a service that was promised in kind (it clearly states on the back cover of the Trainz cd case that I will have free access to tens of thousands of downloadable items).
pfx - you bring me back to one of the points I'm trying to raise, yes Auran is minute and they will stay minute if this is the way in which they choose to do their business.
Whe all need Auran to grow, whe need them to grow in order to provide us with a much better and improved version of Trainz every year, there is no reason for them not to become really big, like many other Gaming Companies did over the past 10 years.
Why is every body, including Auran content in being minute, content to just prolong their survival, why are you satisfied with a product that has not seen much growth (compared to most other games) in the past 10 years ?
Please see the big picture, Trainz CAN BE a really BIG title with millions of users.
If they do not want to learn from the big Gaming Companies, perhaps they should learn from China and Russia, for instance in Africa the Middle East and South America there is a huge awakaning market, hungry for a piece of virtual action, but they will not pay for bandwidth for which they already pay dearly.
Let me repeat myself, Trainz have the potential to be really BIG, I for one want them to be BIG, it is in my interest, for if they do not grow they will sink and fade away.
I think you are somewhat optimistic in that view. In global gaming terms, Trainz has a tiny niche market which cannot be compared to the likes of the major gaming titles we see advertised on TV. Due to that very fact, there is little hope that Trainz will become some sort of global phenomenon.
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glenrennie
New member
Can I simplify this please..........
I used to be a customer of a gym chain in the United Kingdom called Virgin Active. They sent me a letter one day saying they were increasing the price of my monthly fee, the increase was above what I was willing to pay so I cancelled my membership and went elsewhere.
I used to be a customer of an energy supplier in the United Kingdom called E.ON. They sent me a letter one day saying that I had to pay by monthly installments to receive a dual fuel discount, I didn't agree with this policy so I moved supplier and went elsewhere.
My point being that things change! My gym membership was sold to me at xyz price with xyz facilities on xyz date, over time some facilities were removed and the price increased - so I left. I didn't whinge, I didn't moan, I didn't complain and I certainly didn't try to tell the company involved how to run THEIR business! I just left, end of.
Forget the arguement about FCT people 'paying' for non-FCT people.
Forget the arguement about how much bandwidth costs and who should pay.
Forget the arguement about if Auran should or should not remove support.
Forget all of this residual crap and look at two very simple facts.....
1) If you can't afford / are unwilling to pay for a service then don't use it.
2) If you don't like the policy of a particular company then don't use them.
Following these two very simple and basic suggestions should sort out your issue!
......has anyone got any of that popcorn left?
I used to be a customer of a gym chain in the United Kingdom called Virgin Active. They sent me a letter one day saying they were increasing the price of my monthly fee, the increase was above what I was willing to pay so I cancelled my membership and went elsewhere.
I used to be a customer of an energy supplier in the United Kingdom called E.ON. They sent me a letter one day saying that I had to pay by monthly installments to receive a dual fuel discount, I didn't agree with this policy so I moved supplier and went elsewhere.
My point being that things change! My gym membership was sold to me at xyz price with xyz facilities on xyz date, over time some facilities were removed and the price increased - so I left. I didn't whinge, I didn't moan, I didn't complain and I certainly didn't try to tell the company involved how to run THEIR business! I just left, end of.
Forget the arguement about FCT people 'paying' for non-FCT people.
Forget the arguement about how much bandwidth costs and who should pay.
Forget the arguement about if Auran should or should not remove support.
Forget all of this residual crap and look at two very simple facts.....
1) If you can't afford / are unwilling to pay for a service then don't use it.
2) If you don't like the policy of a particular company then don't use them.
Following these two very simple and basic suggestions should sort out your issue!
......has anyone got any of that popcorn left?
mattm - I am not English, but I sort of love this language and the power it gives me to communicate with people from across the world. This issue, judging by all the threads over the past few months is important, and it have left some of us with a pain in the heart.
This must be considered our last chance to lift our grevience, to say what whe want to say, for tomorrow whe must accept the change and live in silence.
pfx - NO, NO, please do not believe that, this is not rocket science, Trainz have the potential to be so much more than just a game about trains.
The biggest thing it have going, and perhaps the major drawcard that convince new players to buy it, is Surveyor. This is a very potent tool with the abillity to create amazement. With proper development it can turn Trainz in to just about any kind of game whe can think of.
Let us take animals for example, every body and their dog just love animals (Zoo Tycoon). Animals with even just basic animation will give so much more life to the world of Trainz. They can be put on invicible rails or made to roam inside invicible cages.
People is another examble (Sims), somehow whe humans are just fascinated by people, can you imagine Trainz where the driver wakes up in the morning, turns on the irrigation, get in his car, stop for fuel, goes to the yard, meet up with all his friends, gets his orders for the day and set of for the drive. All this while his children goes to school, the wife rushing to catch another train and the dog playing with a ball. And all across your layout, everybody participating in a living world.
This is what gamers want and it is possible, a living, breathing virtual Trainz reality. (where you pay for content and not bandwidth)
This must be considered our last chance to lift our grevience, to say what whe want to say, for tomorrow whe must accept the change and live in silence.
pfx - NO, NO, please do not believe that, this is not rocket science, Trainz have the potential to be so much more than just a game about trains.
The biggest thing it have going, and perhaps the major drawcard that convince new players to buy it, is Surveyor. This is a very potent tool with the abillity to create amazement. With proper development it can turn Trainz in to just about any kind of game whe can think of.
Let us take animals for example, every body and their dog just love animals (Zoo Tycoon). Animals with even just basic animation will give so much more life to the world of Trainz. They can be put on invicible rails or made to roam inside invicible cages.
People is another examble (Sims), somehow whe humans are just fascinated by people, can you imagine Trainz where the driver wakes up in the morning, turns on the irrigation, get in his car, stop for fuel, goes to the yard, meet up with all his friends, gets his orders for the day and set of for the drive. All this while his children goes to school, the wife rushing to catch another train and the dog playing with a ball. And all across your layout, everybody participating in a living world.
This is what gamers want and it is possible, a living, breathing virtual Trainz reality. (where you pay for content and not bandwidth)
Red_Rattler
Since 09 May 2003
Not really sure if that many people would. If it was full price, I highly likely would have not got TS2010.
But anyway Auran is an Australian company (I wonder if their games are made in China!!), so they should be supporting their products games seven years from when they come out. What I mean here is that parts should be available for seven years from when a products comes out.)
And also when I brought both UTC & TRS2004 (#), the game stated unlimited free downloads included. Wether people like it or not, paying for downloads of 100MB or more is NOT getting unlimited downloads. See below:
One their TRS2004 version:
Wether people like or not, paying for amounts for 100MB or more is NOT getting downloads included at no extra cost.
This is an extract I wrote on yet another forum (& yes Auran tried to gag me on the following):
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A game called Trainz that is so much more than a game about just trains? That makes sense of course. It could be called Life. Perhaps it could also include space ports and interplanetary war. Where do you draw the line? I envisage a whole series of add ons. Sim Farmer, Sim Drive to Work, Sim Cook Dinner...
Not sure about you, but I (like most others) run my version of Trainz on a desk top, not a Cray.
Anyway, I already have most of these things. It's called the real world.
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seniorchief
The Rocker Trainz Veteran
My View where are we headed
This is my opinon only, what I see and what will be happing is this,
1. People will not be able to download items that could be used or installed in TRS2009 without fault and some in TRS2010 also.
2. The only content that can be used now is the items installed in the
newest versions 09 and 10. Most items made or created for these two
revisions were made by outside parties. Or 3rd party creators that came
forwarded and have made items for 09.
right or wrong.
3. So what I see here is this, you will not be able to get
content anymore? yes or no, or only for 09 and 10.
4. You will have to buy 09 or 10 if you want to stay with trainz.:hehe:
Creators who will freely make content will have to learn scripted
code or program code to make there content work.
without no CCG to go by or any written examples to reference.
5. We have 3 new revisions out 09 and two for 2010 Trainz.
There is very little or new content for these items ?
why should people
make free content for these, when they see there past free content
turn into vaporware.
Where are we headed now Auran, the signal shows "RED" for most
creators with freeware for the community.
Damon(The Rocker) 
This is my opinon only, what I see and what will be happing is this,
1. People will not be able to download items that could be used or installed in TRS2009 without fault and some in TRS2010 also.
2. The only content that can be used now is the items installed in the
newest versions 09 and 10. Most items made or created for these two
revisions were made by outside parties. Or 3rd party creators that came
forwarded and have made items for 09.
right or wrong.3. So what I see here is this, you will not be able to get
content anymore? yes or no, or only for 09 and 10.
4. You will have to buy 09 or 10 if you want to stay with trainz.:hehe:
Creators who will freely make content will have to learn scripted
code or program code to make there content work.
without no CCG to go by or any written examples to reference.
5. We have 3 new revisions out 09 and two for 2010 Trainz.
There is very little or new content for these items ?
why should peoplemake free content for these, when they see there past free content
turn into vaporware.
Where are we headed now Auran, the signal shows "RED" for most
creators with freeware for the community.
Damon(The Rocker)
Red_Rattler
Since 09 May 2003
IF (note if) people are able to upload TRS2004/TS2006 to the download station, can I ask that you throughly TEST IT FIRST (since Auran refuses to keep their side of the customer's contract) as much as possible, and try to see if it is error free.
And yes if it is not error free, it can (& DOES) affect later versions.
And yes if it is not error free, it can (& DOES) affect later versions.
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seniorchief
The Rocker Trainz Veteran
All my items now on the DLS have all been tested and work in 2004,06,09
I have always tested forwarded one revision, before I released my items.
Damon
cascaderailroad
New member
I am guessing that the only thing will change besides not being able to upload 04/06, will be: assets that have missing hornsounds, missing bogies, faulty tags in their config files, and typo errors, and won't work in 09/10 ...etc... will be canned.
On my TRS2006 I have over 70 Gb of assets, and a huge portion of the list have multple faulty assets, missing bogies and hornsounds, and their config files have parts that are no longer available anywhere on the DLS or elsewhere, and the typos are atrocious ... sloppyness
canned. On my TRS2006 I have over 70 Gb of assets, and a huge portion of the list have multple faulty assets, missing bogies and hornsounds, and their config files have parts that are no longer available anywhere on the DLS or elsewhere, and the typos are atrocious ... sloppyness
A company can withdraw a service if enough notice has been given and Auran said back in may at the earliest I saw that they were stopping support. Try buying a brand new part for a Ford Siera now its impossible reason. A Manufacturer only has to make parts for a certain length of time AFTER the CESATION of the model of car (I think its 10 years after)So am sorry Auran can do what it likes. I can't see nothing wrong in ceasing support of uploads for 2006 and previous with the advances in TC3 and above.
I'm can't understand how somebody who can't afford $20 a year for a FCT can afford to buy a computer to run the game on.
The best post I've seen in a long, long time.