i want to install the catenry system on my route but cant find any good catenry that fits in a yard so i see other routes so see how they install their catenry system but it was too complex so plz suggest me how to install catenry system on my route and which catenry to be used and if i have to install a catenry that is in parts i.e seprate wire,poles etc then how to install then in a yard of about 12 to 13 tracks
help installing a catnery system
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There are a ton of options and trial and error is probably best. If you're building a layout based on a real route or a real railroad, let us know and maybe someone can recommend the right ones. I've had a lot of problems getting catenary systems to look right, particularly in complicated yards. One trick I learned that may be of use for you is this:
Lay your track. Using a catenary spline, set the node depth to the lowest possible where the wires can still be seen above the ground. Now lay the spline over your tracks with the wires centered between the rails. When you're done, go back and raise the nodes to the normal height. I suggest this because it is sometimes difficult to tell if you're wires are aligned above the tracks from an angle. This is particularly tough with yards where there are complex curves. I've used this trick to make it easier.
I still wonder if anyone can create track splines with the catenary already built-in? So you just have to lay the track and the catenaries are done with it!
Lay your track. Using a catenary spline, set the node depth to the lowest possible where the wires can still be seen above the ground. Now lay the spline over your tracks with the wires centered between the rails. When you're done, go back and raise the nodes to the normal height. I suggest this because it is sometimes difficult to tell if you're wires are aligned above the tracks from an angle. This is particularly tough with yards where there are complex curves. I've used this trick to make it easier.
I still wonder if anyone can create track splines with the catenary already built-in? So you just have to lay the track and the catenaries are done with it!
well thats a nice idea .well now one thing that still i consider is placement of poles like i am placing it a section of yard over 5 tracks.there are few splines of poles that can be moved to many number of tracks but they dont have hooks with them so its difficult to install hooks with each pole so i was wondreing if there is any catenry that has all things i have to just place it above tracks
There are some spline catenary objects but I'm not sure how they would work in your yards. The Russian guys and some German creators have made very complex trackside object catenary bits and pieces. These snap to the track and the "wires' attach or line up with these. I'm sure they work well, but I've had issues with them due to my in ability to see the wires or half of the objects because they're too small. The wires to me are too thin and disappear on the track. If the wires were a different color in Surveyor, that would really help with the alignment process, but as it is now with the spline points being bright white along with the bright yellow track spline points, and the wire being a dark color against the track ties, I can't see a thing!
I agree it would be nice if there were more track objects that have the catenary already attached. I know of a few assets, but the wires are too high or the track is the wrong gauge for what I am looking for.
John
I agree it would be nice if there were more track objects that have the catenary already attached. I know of a few assets, but the wires are too high or the track is the wrong gauge for what I am looking for.
John
Now *that* is an interesting idea. Create a spline object which has the same size attributes as a desired actual catenary spline but actually consists of bright green or day-glo orange lines a few inches above track level (and, if desired, a simple frame for the towers). Set those up on your track (or set them up first, then lay track)... last step, use Replace option to make the actual catenary splines take its place. (Replace does work with scenery splines, doesn't it?)
I went the opposite direction after tediously fiddling with overhead wire spline alignment for several months - found a track with the overhead wire already attached that was fairly close to the right height, then changed all my L cars so the trolley pole contacts match that track.
Also cloned a single support pole and added a position tag to get the height and offset I wanted, but for multiple tracks and yards the support wire splines are easier to use.
Also cloned a single support pole and added a position tag to get the height and offset I wanted, but for multiple tracks and yards the support wire splines are easier to use.
Hello,
I too have problems placing pylons, wire, catenary etc etc. So I went for a search and found an all in one asset. Track+pylons+wire+catenary in 1 asset.
I found Kenichiro' asset kuid 117608:60325 (name = track with catenary A single ). I tried to contact Kenichiro using the community section of this forum. Until now, no reply received.
I couldn't replace my present track with Kenichiro's track using the replace assets tool. ( Info in this thread http://forums.auran.com/trainz/show...ut-replacing-assets-via-replace-assets-option ). I have also created a helpdeskticket. I asked if a solution for train, multiple track, etc using the replace tools asset will be available in a next service pack.
So I decided to use Transdem to execute the track replacement. Next problem : the track was not visible in the route ( You can see the result here - http://forum.transdem.de/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=196&sid=e8d85c31f044ac06a110dbcb89dc4737 ).
I had to continue my search and I found the next all in one asset - kuid 99999:79531 ( name = 1-beton 52m BLP ).
I did a test using transdem and everything was visible in the testroute ( result again visible using the above forum.transdem link ).
I tried to contact the maker of this asset, but unfortunately the creator can no longer be contacted. I wanted to ask him if he would allow me to have his original created files ( probably in GMAX ). This would have given me the chance to create some extra possibilities ( like different track view, curved track etc etc ).
Presently, I'm trying to figure it out how a animated kin file ( of a pantograh ) is made in Gmax. If I'm successful, then I will try to replace the pantograph of the tram, which I would like to use in my route.
Gmax isn't my favorite program, but at present I have no other option. I still have to start learning Blender.
Best regards
Kurt :wave:
I too have problems placing pylons, wire, catenary etc etc. So I went for a search and found an all in one asset. Track+pylons+wire+catenary in 1 asset.
I found Kenichiro' asset kuid 117608:60325 (name = track with catenary A single ). I tried to contact Kenichiro using the community section of this forum. Until now, no reply received.
I couldn't replace my present track with Kenichiro's track using the replace assets tool. ( Info in this thread http://forums.auran.com/trainz/show...ut-replacing-assets-via-replace-assets-option ). I have also created a helpdeskticket. I asked if a solution for train, multiple track, etc using the replace tools asset will be available in a next service pack.
So I decided to use Transdem to execute the track replacement. Next problem : the track was not visible in the route ( You can see the result here - http://forum.transdem.de/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=196&sid=e8d85c31f044ac06a110dbcb89dc4737 ).
I had to continue my search and I found the next all in one asset - kuid 99999:79531 ( name = 1-beton 52m BLP ).
I did a test using transdem and everything was visible in the testroute ( result again visible using the above forum.transdem link ).
I tried to contact the maker of this asset, but unfortunately the creator can no longer be contacted. I wanted to ask him if he would allow me to have his original created files ( probably in GMAX ). This would have given me the chance to create some extra possibilities ( like different track view, curved track etc etc ).
Presently, I'm trying to figure it out how a animated kin file ( of a pantograh ) is made in Gmax. If I'm successful, then I will try to replace the pantograph of the tram, which I would like to use in my route.
Gmax isn't my favorite program, but at present I have no other option. I still have to start learning Blender.
Best regards
Kurt :wave:
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Hi Kurt,
This may be because the track is classified as a bridge instead of track. With this you can't do a replace assets which is very frustrating, I know. The same situation exists with double-track splines and bridges as well.
John
Hello John,
A detail I hadn't checked. Your right John, Kenichiro's asset is classified as bridge. So I also checked G.M.'s asset. His asset is classified as track.
I retried the replace assets tool with G.M. asset and now it worked. Don't know what went wrong when I first tried it.
G.M. asset ( 1-beton 52m BLP ) was ok on a straight line, but not when the track was going into a curve.
This means, back to the drawingboard.
I received an answer on my helpdeskticket : replacing trains, multiple tracks, bridges using the replace assets tool will not have a solution in the next service pack.
However, the door is not definitively closed. A solution in the future is possible.
Best regards
Kurt :wave:
A detail I hadn't checked. Your right John, Kenichiro's asset is classified as bridge. So I also checked G.M.'s asset. His asset is classified as track.
I retried the replace assets tool with G.M. asset and now it worked. Don't know what went wrong when I first tried it.
G.M. asset ( 1-beton 52m BLP ) was ok on a straight line, but not when the track was going into a curve.
This means, back to the drawingboard.
I received an answer on my helpdeskticket : replacing trains, multiple tracks, bridges using the replace assets tool will not have a solution in the next service pack.
However, the door is not definitively closed. A solution in the future is possible.
Best regards
Kurt :wave:
Hi Kurt,
Interesting.... The Next Service Pack is the part I like. Maybe this will be Sooner(TM) then we think.
The bad curve issue is dependent on how the track is made. This has to do with the number of segments used before it repeats. Smaller segments, I think are better on curves. I might have this backwards, but I think this is the right way. If not it's longer segments. This can cause memory issues though because the spline parts have to be drawn over and over for each part.
John
Interesting.... The Next Service Pack is the part I like. Maybe this will be Sooner(TM) then we think.
The bad curve issue is dependent on how the track is made. This has to do with the number of segments used before it repeats. Smaller segments, I think are better on curves. I might have this backwards, but I think this is the right way. If not it's longer segments. This can cause memory issues though because the spline parts have to be drawn over and over for each part.
John
Hello John,
It would be useful if we had some info about the upcoming service pack. What solutions will become available. With this info I could take some early decisions whether to continue my present route or to start a completely new route.
Due to my poor perspective drawing skills, the chances are increasing, that I will have to change from a realistic electrified route to a fictious dieselroute.
But before taking that decision, I have to make sure, that it's absolutely possible with the current versions of trainz that I have.
Best regards,
Kurt :wave:
It would be useful if we had some info about the upcoming service pack. What solutions will become available. With this info I could take some early decisions whether to continue my present route or to start a completely new route.
Due to my poor perspective drawing skills, the chances are increasing, that I will have to change from a realistic electrified route to a fictious dieselroute.
But before taking that decision, I have to make sure, that it's absolutely possible with the current versions of trainz that I have.
Best regards,
Kurt :wave:
Hello Kurt,
It would be nice if there was a definitive schedule for service packs. As I said Sooner(tm). This is a spin on Auran's old soon(tm). Back in the great old days, they would announce something really cool, such as a service pack, then the big delays would happen as the deadline grew closer. The questions would start flying about in the forums with more and more ire and skepticism. Eventually Tony, Lance, or even Greg Lane, the idea guy behind Trainz and one of the founders of Auran, would get in the forums and announce that the service pack, or whatever they were announcing, was coming Soon(tm)!
So the use of the trademark became a standard feature around here for many years, and we'll still bring it up when we see fit.
The placement of catenary is possible in Trainz. It takes time but it can be done. The Hungarian, Czech, Russian, and German developers have all created very nice looking catenary systems. The process of fiddling and placing the parts to make it look right is what takes so long. I have found that there really are standards amongst the catenary systems we have in Trainz. The European and Japanese standards is the same or very close to the US standard regarding height above the locomotives and pantographs. For me this works because I can use the European tram poles with my Japanese trams, or old American PCC trolleys, and the catenary looks good for me. The UK system is a bit lower, probably due to the smaller locomotives, however their tram catenary is taller, probably due the double-decker trams they have.
Like anything in Trainz, this is all a big compromise to get what you want to look convincing without going totally bat-sh*t while trying to do it. In some ways we're lucky there are so many standards and custom systems out there. We can mix and match and come then up with one that meets our standards, but doesn't necessarily have to be any one in particular.
John
It would be nice if there was a definitive schedule for service packs. As I said Sooner(tm). This is a spin on Auran's old soon(tm). Back in the great old days, they would announce something really cool, such as a service pack, then the big delays would happen as the deadline grew closer. The questions would start flying about in the forums with more and more ire and skepticism. Eventually Tony, Lance, or even Greg Lane, the idea guy behind Trainz and one of the founders of Auran, would get in the forums and announce that the service pack, or whatever they were announcing, was coming Soon(tm)!
So the use of the trademark became a standard feature around here for many years, and we'll still bring it up when we see fit.
The placement of catenary is possible in Trainz. It takes time but it can be done. The Hungarian, Czech, Russian, and German developers have all created very nice looking catenary systems. The process of fiddling and placing the parts to make it look right is what takes so long. I have found that there really are standards amongst the catenary systems we have in Trainz. The European and Japanese standards is the same or very close to the US standard regarding height above the locomotives and pantographs. For me this works because I can use the European tram poles with my Japanese trams, or old American PCC trolleys, and the catenary looks good for me. The UK system is a bit lower, probably due to the smaller locomotives, however their tram catenary is taller, probably due the double-decker trams they have.
Like anything in Trainz, this is all a big compromise to get what you want to look convincing without going totally bat-sh*t while trying to do it. In some ways we're lucky there are so many standards and custom systems out there. We can mix and match and come then up with one that meets our standards, but doesn't necessarily have to be any one in particular.
John
Hello John,
I understand that it is extremely difficult to satisfy all the "Trainzers". In the end some will be happy, others will be disappointed.
Until the next service pack is ready, I can still do and learn some other things.
Concerning the catenary, pylons, wire placement within a route, I would like to find some realy handy placement system. It seems that everyone has to find his/her own placement system.
However, having said that, perhaps the solution is laying in one of Belgiums neighbouring countries. So last Sunday, I started my search and found information on this French site
http://globuletrainz.free.fr/crea.php?sect=0&page=0 .
On this site I found the document : Le guide de la caténaire pour les nuls - ( translated = ) Catenary guide for dummies.
This document explains a lot and several other documents which can be found in the voies ( = tracks ) section - page 2 are also available.
As some French trains are also riding on the Belgian railwaytrack, It is most likely that I will be able to use Globule's/Claudius system. Presently, I'm installing all the cdp's in Trainz2010 and will start doing some tests.
I'm keeping my fingers crossed.
Best regards
Kurt :wave:
I understand that it is extremely difficult to satisfy all the "Trainzers". In the end some will be happy, others will be disappointed.
Until the next service pack is ready, I can still do and learn some other things.
Concerning the catenary, pylons, wire placement within a route, I would like to find some realy handy placement system. It seems that everyone has to find his/her own placement system.
However, having said that, perhaps the solution is laying in one of Belgiums neighbouring countries. So last Sunday, I started my search and found information on this French site
http://globuletrainz.free.fr/crea.php?sect=0&page=0 .
On this site I found the document : Le guide de la caténaire pour les nuls - ( translated = ) Catenary guide for dummies.
This document explains a lot and several other documents which can be found in the voies ( = tracks ) section - page 2 are also available.
As some French trains are also riding on the Belgian railwaytrack, It is most likely that I will be able to use Globule's/Claudius system. Presently, I'm installing all the cdp's in Trainz2010 and will start doing some tests.
I'm keeping my fingers crossed
.Best regards
Kurt :wave:
Hello John,
I understand that it is extremely difficult to satisfy all the "Trainzers". In the end some will be happy, others will be disappointed.
Until the next service pack is ready, I can still do and learn some other things.
Concerning the catenary, pylons, wire placement within a route, I would like to find some realy handy placement system. It seems that everyone has to find his/her own placement system.
However, having said that, perhaps the solution is laying in one of Belgiums neighbouring countries. So last Sunday, I started my search and found information on this French site
http://globuletrainz.free.fr/crea.php?sect=0&page=0 .
On this site I found the document : Le guide de la caténaire pour les nuls - ( translated = ) Catenary guide for dummies.
This document explains a lot and several other documents which can be found in the voies ( = tracks ) section - page 2 are also available.
As some French trains are also riding on the Belgian railwaytrack, It is most likely that I will be able to use Globule's/Claudius system. Presently, I'm installing all the cdp's in Trainz2010 and will start doing some tests.
I'm keeping my fingers crossed
Best regards
Kurt :wave:
Thank you for the link to the site. I'll be looking at the document myself. I used to be able to speak French fluently about 35 years ago, but I can still understand this quite well. Don't ask me to say a word anymore since most of my French (and German too) is used for reading musical terms and instructions in music.
I too wish there were better all-in-one setups for catenary, but probably because of the little variants even within a system this would be impossible.
Good luck and I hope for the best for you.
John
Thank you for the link to the site. I'll be looking at the document myself. I used to be able to speak French fluently about 35 years ago, but I can still understand this quite well. Don't ask me to say a word anymore since most of my French (and German too) is used for reading musical terms and instructions in music.
I too wish there were better all-in-one setups for catenary, but probably because of the little variants even within a system this would be impossible.
Good luck and I hope for the best for you.
John
Hello John,
Here is another document which is very interesting - same site http://globuletrainz.free.fr/crea.php?sect=200&page=2 - item = Pack caténaire 25kV Service - doc = Guide du pack.
Best regards
Kurt :wave: