And I was just starting to think how annoying this thread was getting. Now I get a good laugh. Thanks for that.
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And I was just starting to think how annoying this thread was getting. Now I get a good laugh. Thanks for that.
Would have thought "access granted...may be terminated" is abundantly clear.
For "may" read in all likelihood "will" after a period of time has elapsed.
If you only have an older version then you're screwed either way, can't upload new stuff or download. What's not clarified is if ownership of a later version will still allow the CMP from TRS2006 to access the DLS or you'll need to faff about downloading into 009/010 and transferring across.
IsambardKingdomBrunel
Joined June 2001
As Vern quite rightly said we get on fine.
My strong reply was aimed at RailFail and not personally at Vern.
Unlike some of the "content creators" involved in trainsimming.
Vern does not behave like the rest of us "non producers", should be eternally grateful for his content.
Which is more than some i could mention.
As for you amigacooke, mind your own damn business.
Vern you have to agree boy, RailFail is far from ideal for someone like yourself.
Who has a principal interest in route building.
Surveyor knocks the RailFail route building tool for six.
I have done some route creation in TS2010 and RailFail.
I know which is the easiest and most user friendly of the two.
Oh and the Luddite reference was not aimed at Vern. It was aimed at the 04 & 06 cry baby recidivists.
I have a Classic 1968 Ford Cortina MK2 1600E. But i don't go down to the local Ford dealership.
To sit in the reception and blubber and cry about how unfair it is. That Ford no longer actively suuports that particular model.
IKB.
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You seem to be missing part of that statement. Try it this way:
Q: Can I still access the Download Station after the end-of-support date?
A: Access granted to you by the unsupported product may be terminated. If you have purchased access through other means (newer products, First Class Ticket, etc.) then your access will continue thanks to these products.
Edit: There is also this:
Q: Will my Lifetime First Class Ticket continue to operate if all my registered products are beyond their end-of-support date?
A: Yes, we will ensure that all users who have a right to Download Station access can continue to download content. The specific techniques required to download content may change.
amigacooke
Well-known member
If it's posted in a public forum, it's the public's business.
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jadebullet
might be back?
Yes, but when you get it serviced, probably at the Ford dealership, you don't get any flak for it being an older model.
If Auran was a car company, and the 04 and 06 was a car, come September, you couldn't get them serviced or inspected. Sure, you don't HAVE to buy the new model, but it isn't much of a choice seeing as there is no point to owning a car if you can't legally drive it on the road.(Other than turn it into a race car)
amigacooke
Well-known member
But you can still drive it on the road, you just can't get any more accessories at the DLS.
That's the problem with car analogies, they so often bite you in the rear.
It is HIGHLY unlikely that a Ford dealership will service a car that old, car companies end-of-life support for their vehicles all the time, usually about 10-15 years or so later. After that, you're on your own finding a mechanic that will service it, and more often than not parts are not available from the original manufacturer - if at all.
Going to a ford dealership with a 40 year old car? You'll get sneered at by many, there will be a few older/more-mature employees that might respect the car's vintage, but not many.
That's fine - clarification re downloading capability accepted.
No problem , barely scratched the surface on what can be done . If you're using Max there's plenty more in the way of tuts and info where that came from , and if you're interested , some (imho) usefull free tools and scripts .
narrowgauge
92 year oldTrainz veteran
Post error.
Peter
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narrowgauge
92 year oldTrainz veteran
Scitimar
I found it, that is why I removed my post.
Thanks
I found it, that is why I removed my post.
Thanks
IsambardKingdomBrunel
Joined June 2001
The point is the car is so old i don't expect any sort of help for it.
In pc gaming terms 04 and 06 are also well past their sell by date.
So quit it with the righteous indignation.
Support Auran and move on.
TS2010 is far better than the old crap, anyway.
IKB.
In pc gaming terms 04 and 06 are also well past their sell by date.
So quit it with the righteous indignation.
Support Auran and move on.
TS2010 is far better than the old crap, anyway.
IKB.
The TC series will still be supported until 2011 for 1 and 2, 3 will be supported until 2012. May be an option if you don't care for 09/10.
If they are going to support those I don't think there is much they can do with the DLS content for a while.
FWIW, Trainz Railwayz by Merscom is still listed on the Toys R Us site for $20. Didn't check availability but I'm sure you could still find it somewhere relatively cheap.
Dave.....
If they are going to support those I don't think there is much they can do with the DLS content for a while.
FWIW, Trainz Railwayz by Merscom is still listed on the Toys R Us site for $20. Didn't check availability but I'm sure you could still find it somewhere relatively cheap.
Dave.....
zatovisualworks
Veteran but blossoming
Dave,
In the end it's not a question of money. Just an amusement affair! There are many many many many of us with (T4)T6/TC/T9/T10 installed and paid for it.
But as far as amusement is concerned, most of us stand by T4/T6 to the dismay of t9/T10 thrusters... sad but true by METALLICA.
After having corrected many assets for T6, now time to correct the same for T9/T10 for the sake of some whimsical attachments points not being attached or some dedicated-to-"my girlfriend" container tags, not affecting anything but creators' love or absent-mindedness.
It's not a fair deal for me! Not at all!
Why didn't Auran correct the ones they included in T9/T10 .ja files, some of them of mine? Who knows, laziness perhaps... like mine. :hehe:
The lazy side of Alberte :wave:
In the end it's not a question of money. Just an amusement affair! There are many many many many of us with (T4)T6/TC/T9/T10 installed and paid for it.
But as far as amusement is concerned, most of us stand by T4/T6 to the dismay of t9/T10 thrusters... sad but true by METALLICA.
After having corrected many assets for T6, now time to correct the same for T9/T10 for the sake of some whimsical attachments points not being attached or some dedicated-to-"my girlfriend" container tags, not affecting anything but creators' love or absent-mindedness.
It's not a fair deal for me! Not at all!
Why didn't Auran correct the ones they included in T9/T10 .ja files, some of them of mine? Who knows, laziness perhaps... like mine. :hehe:
The lazy side of Alberte :wave:
I agree and stand by 04/06 as well as the TC series. I have 09 and deleted it as I don't care for it at all. I just offered up a suggestion to maintain a supported product without resorting to 09/10 if you don't care for them.
Shame some don't see everyone is going to lose in this deal in some way. By denying the DLS and CMP use to some, didn't they just do the same for everyone when they have to chase content down from third party sites?
Dave....
Shame some don't see everyone is going to lose in this deal in some way. By denying the DLS and CMP use to some, didn't they just do the same for everyone when they have to chase content down from third party sites?
Dave....
Maybe you just weren't paying attention, or you have a vested interest.
Why am I bringing this up again?
Because after only one week since I mentioned this, there's the first sign that I may be right.
What was I referring to when I mentioned something said a couple of years ago?
Online activation of Trainz to avoid piracy.
Nothing wrong with kicking those warez kiddies into touch, but online activation means that your game can only be run while Auran are in business.
Does anyone really want to spend years building routes just for them to be useless at the end?
What am I referring to when I say that there's signs I might be right?
The thread about that idiot warez peddler, and what he did to mcguirel's new speedtrees.
Read the post that Chris wrote here
It's not conclusive proof that what was foretold a couple of years ago is going to happen, but it's the thin end of the wedge.
But if Trainz required Internet activation in future versions, then I wouldn't buy it.
If I was the only person to think this way, that's fine.
But you'll only be able to use your software at Auran's will.
Let's hope I'm wrong, and Auran see the dangers of going down this road.
Smiley.
Yes, that is one of the big downsides of this form of DRM, from the consumer's perspective. There is actually a solution (place an appropriate unlock mechanism in escrow) but it's an ugly workaround and difficult for the consumer to verify.
This isn't necessarily a very relevant point for the discussion you link, since the DRM provider (Auran, in this example) and the content producer would be unrelated parties. It's much more relevant when talking about Auran's own products, and is a good argument against requiring online activation.
That said, all the big names in the computer industry seem to be moving in that direction. It's not something that we've looked into, because we don't believe that it will work for our current customer base, but certainly it's something to keep an eye on.
chris