Flying Scotsman/Duchess in US configuration
- Thread starter Nalthren
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Us engines don't have cowcatchers, what engine catches cows anyway, cowcatcher indeed, you need a tram engine...:hehe:
Sorry Nalthren, it was too tempting to miss...
Joe Airtime
BLACKWATCH
Mechanical Engineer
Us engines don't have cowcatchers, what engine catches cows anyway, cowcatcher indeed, you need a tram engine...:hehe:
Sorry Nalthren, it was too tempting to miss...
Joe Airtime
This is a pic of the Coronation in the USA, it doesn't have a 'cowcatcher', but would 'Joe Airtime' care to tell us what that is on the front of 5243 ? :hehe:
BLACKWATCH
Mechanical Engineer
Well I'm a bit too old to be watching 'Thomas the tank engine', so would not know the phrase (I think most posters on here are well out of puberty now).
However, just for interest sake here is 'Scotsman' with 'cowcatcher'.
However, just for interest sake here is 'Scotsman' with 'cowcatcher'.
Wow that is a rare picture of a Scotsman with a cowcatcher, however it doesn't suit the locomotive, it makes it look quite angry.
I was only forced to watch Thomas by my niece, who thinks trains are great, and loves Thomas with all the different coloured trains, she doesn't like the new Thomas, she says the faces look scary.
It also brings back great memory's of my childhood in the 80's, when Thomas the Tank Engine was brilliant.
Joe Airtime
I was only forced to watch Thomas by my niece, who thinks trains are great, and loves Thomas with all the different coloured trains, she doesn't like the new Thomas, she says the faces look scary.
It also brings back great memory's of my childhood in the 80's, when Thomas the Tank Engine was brilliant.
Joe Airtime
However, just for interest sake here is 'Scotsman' with 'cowcatcher'.
Dear God!Paul
IsambardKingdomBrunel
Joined June 2001
Paul
Agreed, it's a heap of scrap iron at the best of times, without adding that to it. :hehe:
BLACKWATCH
Mechanical Engineer
It's a good job you don't have to see it on "Gods Wonky Railway" too often then. :hehe:
we call that a pilot here in the states...not really known as a "cowcatcher" since the days of the John Bull. really it serves the same purpose, though it usually plows snow more than anything else.
Plus, i think the Scotsman and the Coronation look better with the plow and/or lights. they look like proper engines now:hehe:
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springtransit
What are you looking at?
Now the cowcatcher, bell, and not yet added headlight, I can understand, but why that whistle? What's wrong with its own?Well I'm a bit too old to be watching 'Thomas the tank engine', so would not know the phrase (I think most posters on here are well out of puberty now).
However, just for interest sake here is 'Scotsman' with 'cowcatcher'.
Federal rail regulations? I would assume that if the US were to bring a diesel loco over for running in the UK (I know it probably wouldn't work due to clearance and loading gauge issues, just humor me), the rail regulations there would require it to have it's front end painted yellow?
With improvements to crossing gates, signaling, headlights(lamps), is it even necessary to have yellow front ends on a locomotive?
TweetsieDude
Back Woods Narrow Gauge
I would assume that the US whistle is on it, is because the UK's and other European whistles are not as strong in sound. If you look at Baldwin 3chime, compared to a single note whistle; which one would get the job done warrning? Not to take away form the Norfolk & Western Hooters.
Then again; I could be wrong out the arse.
Rock ON!
Dusten
Then again; I could be wrong out the arse.
Rock ON!
Dusten
ZecMurphy
Community Assistant
I think you'll find that it was a requirement for it to travel on US tracks as a leading locomotive.
When 4472 visited Aus (unfortunately, a little before my time
), it had to be fitted with a diesel loco's horn (IIRC, it was a Leslie 5 chime, which were being phased out by V/Line at the time) to travel across to Perth as lead loco...
Apparently, it was mounted directly under the cab (fireman's side?), and was only ever used once (by the Australian National inspector). There's footage around of a 3 chime having been fitted under the drivers side cab floor as well... Possibly that shown mounted on the smokebox?
From what I've heard, the 5 chime was left on the loco when it went back to the UK as well... That loco seems to accumulate whistles!
Zec
When 4472 visited Aus (unfortunately, a little before my time
), it had to be fitted with a diesel loco's horn (IIRC, it was a Leslie 5 chime, which were being phased out by V/Line at the time) to travel across to Perth as lead loco...Apparently, it was mounted directly under the cab (fireman's side?), and was only ever used once (by the Australian National inspector). There's footage around of a 3 chime having been fitted under the drivers side cab floor as well... Possibly that shown mounted on the smokebox?
From what I've heard, the 5 chime was left on the loco when it went back to the UK as well... That loco seems to accumulate whistles!
Zec
My dad was a fireman/engineer on the VGN/N&W from the 1930s through the 1970s. He always called it a "cowcatcher". And that's the only term I've ever heard any of his steam-era co-workers using. My dad once killed more than a dozen cows in one fell swoop, after they'd wandered into the middle of the tracks from a farmer's field located next to the tracks.
bassist118
Suffering for his art.
:hehe::hehe:
Both ends as well for stuff like SD40'sa dn Most GP's. Imagine that with BN colours, Dark Green and bright yellow ewwww.
Andy
So it would look like early British Rail 1960s Diesel two tone green with yellow ends, eh?
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