Extra Ram ??

[RRSignal]

It did where? What review site? How about now 12 months after Windows 7 release?

http://www.maximumpc.com/article/reviews/windows_7_review?page=0,3

I've got few DirectX 11 games (one that is on the verge of being considered a sim) they run and look great, with future game engines it's the way to go if you want good system resource utilization.

Cool, if you're into that. This is a non-issue for MSFS as its no longer udner development, and I tend to doubt Trainz is going to adopt DX11 anytime soon.

What general community? Please don't tell us the business community again, lol.

No, everybody - the business community, manufacturers, even some gamers.

How about these communities, you know the PC gaming, hardware enthusiast communities, what are they using and why?

For those who have to have the latest for bragging rights, Win7 fits the bill. For those of us who runs sims that don't take advantage of the "benefits" of Win7, or for those of us in the situation where the extra resource-hogging of Win7 outweighs any potential benefits, Win7 is a stalemate or a step backward, depending on your point-of-view.

You'll have to explain the relevance of that comment?

Er, it was somewhat of a joke based on a comment YOU made a few days back, predicated on a similar remark I made to you months and months ago. I thought you'd get it. My bad.

Really? So I guess you are saying that keeping an OS up to date is only for security updates?

Mostly. Driver support is a plus, too. But this can all be done offline. Therefore, one doesn't need to run online, invalidating your point (not that there really ever was one). My original point in this topic was that running offline produces significant performance and security benefits. This is not an option for Win7 users (at least not for those without patience, and a willingness to reauthorize their copy of Windows from time to time. Hence my discussing how the real world works.)

Who has an unlimited budget, not me.

Great. Then you'll recognize that investing in Win7 at this juncture is a very poor investment, especially in light of so many options (better hardware, running offline and fewer resource-hogging apps, etc.) than doling out $100-$300 for a new OS, as well as any extra hardware that is needed to meet the same basic specs you can do with the older OS.

Exactly, that's why you pick the right tool for the job.

Exactly what I'm talking about. A lean-and-mean OS like XP is ideal for a gaming rig, especially one that is intended to run games and sims (Trainz, etc.) that do not use extensions like DX11. Win7 should be a better tool if you're running games or sims that can benefit from DX11 or some other OS-specific feature.

It's got nothing to do with my attitude “of dollars growing on trees” but more to do with my attitude towards individuals who spread misconceptions, misinformation and speculation about something they obviously have no experience with.

I have tinkered with Win7. I have decided against it as a gaming (not to mention business) OS because it does not meet my needs and requires more resources than it should. Seems like the majority of the rest of the world seems to agree with that assessment, so perhaps the wanna-be flyboys hanging out in flightsim forums are wrong. Or, it is not an adequate tool for most needs.

My comments and recommendations are based on actual experience using XP Pro (32 and 64-bit) and Vista/Windows 7 (32 and 64-bit) on a wide variety of hardware from low end to the best high end hardware. In addition I have also run 30+ sims/games on these OS's, TRS2006, TRS2009 and TS2010 are three of them.

Cool. I have experience with XP 32 and 64 too, some with Vista 32. I did some research and found that Win7 (and Vista, for that matter) provide no benefit and are even a step backward to some degree. If I had tons of money to burn (or, if I really cared about having bragging rights for the geeks in FS forums that I have the latest whatever), I might splurge and buy a copy. Instead, I rely on research and experiences by others rather than gamble my money (which, again, doesn't grow on trees). For Trainz, there is no benefit. For FS, no benefit. If I played Call of Duty, there might be a benefit. Since you and a few armchair gamers seem to be the few people I've encountered who are gung-ho over Win7, I will learn against Win7.

As I mentioned before your comments are nothing more than your personal justification for not having experience or the means to use Windows 7.

Likewise, your comments express your bragging rights and nothing more. You mentioned using "the right tool for the job" but then fail to recognize your tool:

1. may be the wrong tool for some jobs, including certain games;

2. has some major drawbacks, which inhibit performance;

3. ultimately imposes a greater financial burden in terms of both hardware and the OS itself; and

4. with respect to finances, money that would have been spent on an OS for, at best, trivial increases in performance and at worst, trivial or significant decreases in performance, would be better spent on better hardware, assuring better performance (normally) all around.

Who has to “tweak their OS (e.g. alter reauthorization settings for Windows 7 so as to not require a constant internet connection)”?

Beginning with Vista, and, AFAIK, continuing with Win7, the OS needs to periodically "check in" with MS every so often to authenticate that your copy is, indeed, a valid copy. If this feature has been categorically eliminated from Windows 7, I would appreciate any proof and specific details.

 

[djt]

When you've got some real experience with an OS and gaming on the PC let us know and we can try to have an intelligent discussion, until then your comments are nothing more then misconception, misinformation and speculation.


I've asked before but it would be interesting to see you make these recommendation in a real hardware forum to see if you get any different responses from other's who also actually have experience with the subject.

 

[RRSignal]

When you've got some real experience with an OS and gaming on the PC let us know and we can try to have an intelligent discussion, until then your comments are nothing more then misconception, misinformation and speculation.

Funny you can't answer questions, including my latest one asking you to try to dispel a major claim ("misconception", as you put it) I made against Win7 and a major concern over performance and security. Since you completely evaded this issue, I can only assume that all my research about this issue (which began around when Vista began development as "Longhorn") is still true and that your accusation of 'spreading misconceptions' is, in fact, false.

I've asked before but it would be interesting to see you make these recommendation in a real hardware forum to see if you get any different responses from other's who also actually have experience with the subject.

I used to not all that long ago (afterdawn, videohelp, motherboards.org, etc.), but I don't hang around the hardware portions that much anymore because it's sort of pointless talking to people who lay down several grand on a new machine every six months to discuss practicality, especially when it's really just a contest for bragging rights to begin with. I don't doubt at all Windows 7 would do better on DX11-enabled games, since that's Win7's strong point. I also don't doubt XP will do just as well on non-DX11-games, and the sources I cited generally verify that.

Therefore, if you have DX11-enabled games, you may benefit from Win7. If not, you are just pi$$ing away money for bragging rights to your fellow geeks and possibly paying a performance penalty as well. If you think the geek world started pi$$ing contests with Vista or Win7, well, you haven't been around very long; I remember the geeks being all full of themselves for having a 16K Apple ][ language card over top of a 48K machine, though few had software that took advantage of it. Funny how little changes.

 

[djt]

Funny you can't answer questions, including my latest one asking you to try to dispel a major claim ("misconception", as you put it) I made against Win7 and a major concern over performance and security.

Come on Choo-Choosignal, get out from that rock you've been hiding under and learn something. Take the blinders off and let's discuss this in one of the hardware forums I provided links to.

I'm even open to you posting the above misconception in another Train-game forum, there are plenty of Windows 7 users at UKTrainsim and Train-sim.com.

 

[RRSignal]

Come on Choo-Choosignal, get out from that rock you've been hiding under and learn something. Take the blinders off and let's discuss this in one of the hardware forums I provided links to.

I'm even open to you posting the above misconception in another Train-game forum, there are plenty of Windows 7 users at UKTrainsim and Train-sim.com.

So, you're wrong and want to drag me over to your fanboy forum for validation? Please don't accuse me of spreading misconceptions when you can't answer a simple question. If you don't mind doing some research (I know, the dreaded "r" word), and you can prove me wrong, and demonstrate that Windows 7 no longer requires periodic reauthorization, please do. That's actually a very big sticking point with Win7 (and Vista), as I've mentioned several times in this thread alone, and would go a long way towards swaying me (and possibly others) towards Windows 7. Qualifying details help.

Otherwise, you've falsely accused me of spreading a misconception about Win7 that is, in fact, quite accurate and, thus, you yourself are the one spreading misconceptions.

 

[djt]

So, you're wrong and want to drag me over to your fanboy forum for validation? Please don't accuse me of spreading misconceptions when you can't answer a simple question. If you don't mind doing some research (I know, the dreaded "r" word), and you can prove me wrong, and demonstrate that Windows 7 no longer requires periodic reauthorization, please do.

No I didn't want to “drag you over to my fanboy forum for validation”, I want you to start posting some of your comments about operating systems and hardware in a forum where you can't thrive off the naive like you do here.


As far as this “Windows 7 periodic reauthorization” goes, when I install Windows 7 on my gaming setups I grab the latest updates for the OS through Windows update and then the machine is physically disconnected from the Internet (the local area connection is disabled and the cable is disconnected). I've never had any problems with “Windows 7 periodic reauthorization”.

 

[johnwhelan]

When you've got some real experience with an OS and gaming on the PC let us know and we can try to have an intelligent discussion, until then your comments are nothing more then misconception, misinformation and speculation.


I've asked before but it would be interesting to see you make these recommendation in a real hardware forum to see if you get any different responses from other's who also actually have experience with the subject.

My understanding is the audience here for the most part is interested in running Trainz on PCs which has its own set of requirements including for the most part how to get reasonable performance in Trainz at minimal cost or find the most cost effective upgrades.

To add more useful value to the forum perhaps you could tailor your replies to this specific audience rather than delving into a more technical discussion about which silicon isotope should be preferred for memory modules.

By the way if you'd care to get into a discussion of isotopes I think that my preference would be for isotope 28 as opposed to 32.

Many Thanks

John

 

[RRSignal]

No I didn't want to “drag you over to my fanboy forum for validation”, I want you to start posting some of your comments about operating systems and hardware in a forum where you can't thrive off the naive like you do here.

Because you, to use your own metaphor, are asking us to use the wrong tool for the job, and to pay a lot more for it. You come off as an idiot who seems to think money grows on trees (hence the reason I brought that up - I was trying to be subtle, which is lost on you) whereas the rest of us don't want or need a $3,000 machine to run a Trainsim (or, for that matter, an expensive OS that provides no benefits for our purposes, and which just may, incur a penalty - you seem to be going out of your way to ignore that fact.)

As far as this “Windows 7 periodic reauthorization” goes, when I install Windows 7 on my gaming setups I grab the latest updates for the OS through Windows update and then the machine is physically disconnected from the Internet (the local area connection is disabled and the cable is disconnected). I've never had any problems with “Windows 7 periodic reauthorization”.

Ah, now we're actually getting somewhere. Ok, so you can attest, for an absolute, 100% fact, that no reauthorization occurs? Let's say, for the sake of discussion, once you've activated Windows (online or phone, whichever), you can physically disconnect your machine and never have to connect it to the internet again if you didn't want to? If so, do you know if that's dependent on the type of license you have?

 

[RRSignal]

My understanding is the audience here for the most part is interested in running Trainz on PCs which has its own set of requirements including for the most part how to get reasonable performance in Trainz at minimal cost or find the most cost effective upgrades.

To add more useful value to the forum perhaps you could tailor your replies to this specific audience rather than delving into a more technical discussion about which silicon isotope should be preferred for memory modules.

By the way if you'd care to get into a discussion of isotopes I think that my preference would be for isotope 28 as opposed to 32.

Many Thanks

John

Silicone?

Oh, gotta get my mind outta the gutter.

 

[djt]

My understanding is the audience here for the most part is interested in running Trainz on PCs which has its own set of requirements including for the most part how to get reasonable performance in Trainz at minimal cost or find the most cost effective upgrades.

To add more useful value to the forum perhaps you could tailor your replies to this specific audience rather than delving into a more technical discussion about which silicon isotope should be preferred for memory modules.

By the way if you'd care to get into a discussion of isotopes I think that my preference would be for isotope 28 as opposed to 32.

Many Thanks

John

Thanks John, coming from someone who has warned us in the past about aluminum PC case “explosions” I'll take this response with a grain of salt, lol.


If someone closes there eyes to learning something new, you really can't help them can you?

 

[djt]

You come off as an idiot who seems to think money grows on trees

And you come off as an imbecile that has to justify their “spending budget” on hardware and software instead of making a recommendation based on actual experience.

Ah, now we're actually getting somewhere. Ok, so you can attest, for an absolute, 100% fact, that no reauthorization occurs? Let's say, for the sake of discussion, once you've activated Windows (online or phone, whichever), you can physically disconnect your machine and never have to connect it to the internet again if you didn't want to? If so, do you know if that's dependent on the type of license you have?

Actually we're not getting anywhere because who the hell cares, if you know how to properly maintain an OS why would you not keep it up to date by periodically connecting to Windows update?


Do I have to remain connected to the Internet all the time in order to use Windows 7, of course not.

By the way do you really believe that anyone who has multiple copies of XP, Vista and Windows 7 and has used those OS's on a variety of low to high end hardware would then use an OS that is going cause a performance decrease with the hardware they are using?

What reason do you have for all these so-called “fanboy” for using Windows 7 if it degrades performance, when they are trying to get the best performance out of their hardware?

Wait maybe this is some kind of conspiracy, are the fanboy's actually getting paid by Microsoft to use Windows 7?, lol.

 

[johnwhelan]

Thanks John, coming from someone who has warned us in the past about aluminum PC case “explosions” I'll take this response with a grain of salt, lol.


If someone closes there eyes to learning something new, you really can't help them can you?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wd6p998WcAw

http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/ed036p54

Cheerio John

 

[djt]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wd6p998WcAw

http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/ed036p54

Cheerio John

Yes John this atrocity should have put Lian li, SilverStone and CoolerMaster out of business a long time ago.

What were they thinking by putting PC users in harms way like that, lol.

Anyway that comment was good for some laughs over at one of the hardware forums I visit.

 

[RRSignal]

And you come off as an imbecile that has to justify their “spending budget” on hardware and software instead of making a recommendation based on actual experience.

This is without question the most asinine remark I've ever seen on the Auran forums. You're alone (except, perhaps, in good company with Bill Gates) if you think cost isn't a factor in purchasing decisions. The difference between you and me if I do homework before laying down cash, rather than buy the most expensive system available and hope everything works out ok, cause you have to get in an ego war with the geeks on some wannabe-flightsim forum.

And, even if you do have an unlimited budget, only a fool spends money unwisely.

Actually we're not getting anywhere because who the hell cares, if you know how to properly maintain an OS why would you not keep it up to date by periodically connecting to Windows update?

Because running a machine entirely offline provides major performance and security benefits, that's why. Patches can usually be obtained as offline (IT) packs.

Do I have to remain connected to the Internet all the time in order to use Windows 7, of course not.

You completely altered the question and evaded the issue. Once you get Win7 installed and activated, CAN YOU PERMANENTLY DISCONNECT IT FROM THE INTERNET?

By the way do you really believe that anyone who has multiple copies of XP, Vista and Windows 7 and has used those OS's on a variety of low to high end hardware would then use an OS that is going cause a performance decrease with the hardware they are using? What reason do you have for all these so-called “fanboy” for using Windows 7 if it degrades performance, when they are trying to get the best performance out of their hardware?

Sure, I've seen people do all sorts of dumb stuff. But more than "dumb", people use the wrong tool for the wrong job. You've already been presented with tests demonstrating that Windows 7 is at a disadvantage versus XP in some areas, including gaming. Now - I think I've gone over this probably half a dozen times at least with you - unless your software takes advantage of some special feature unique to Win7, why use that tool which, by the aforementioned tests, suggest you not likely to benefit and perhaps even incur a penalty? Maybe your issue is with the testers.

I'd venture to guess - based on experience - that the vast, vast majority of people who adopt a new OS do it because that's what the computer manufacturer sold them and they never really questioned it. I'd venture to guess most of the rest think they are "future-proofing" themselves by buying the latest. And, perhaps, eventually, they will be, but they are paying dearly for it now. And, the remainder - if I had to give it a number, the remaining 2% or so - are the fanboys who just gotta boast that they have the "newest" crap.

Let me dumb it down:

DX11 game = Win7 win
DX9 game = Win7 break-even or loss

Wait maybe this is some kind of conspiracy, are the fanboy's actually getting paid by Microsoft to use Windows 7?, lol.

Um, yeah, that makes sooo much sense. What they are are suckers that the electronics industry loves to play for fools. They're usually the early-adopters driven by a need for bragging rights, kind of like the suckers who adopted HDTV before HDMI came out.

But, the upshot is, these folks provide the rest of us with plenty of entertainment!

 

[djt]

The difference between you and me if I do homework before laying down cash, rather than buy the most expensive system available and hope everything works out ok, cause you have to get in an ego war with the geeks on some wannabe-flightsim forum.

No the difference is that I actually have experience with the hardware and software before I comment about it.


You're responses seem to be more about the fact that you have justify the fact that you don't have the hardware or software.

What's the “wannabe-flightsim forum”?

Because running a machine entirely offline provides major performance and security benefits, that's why. Patches can usually be obtained as offline (IT) packs.

Again who isn't able to run off line?

You completely altered the question and evaded the issue. Once you get Win7 installed and activated, CAN YOU PERMANENTLY DISCONNECT IT FROM THE INTERNET?

I have until it becomes time to grab more Windows updates.

unless your software takes advantage of some special feature unique to Win7

Well duh did you ever hear of better multi-core support in Windows 7? How about better driver support for new hardware?

I'd venture to guess most of the rest think they are "future-proofing" themselves by buying the latest.

Nope, that's why have multiple copies of XP, Vista, Windows 7 and Linux, so I don't have to speculate like you do.

What they are are suckers that the electronics industry loves to play for fools.

What's the matter are we now whining because someone brought nicer toys to the sand pile, lol.

 

[RRSignal]

No the difference is that I actually have experience with the hardware and software before I comment about it.

No, you throw money and hope it works out, instead of looking at your needs and doing some homework.

You're responses seem to be more about the fact that you have justify the fact that you don't have the hardware or software.

Well, I'm not an idiot. Again, that's the difference between us. I don't just blindly buy this and that. I think about my needs, how stuff works and buy appropriately. I don't need an i7 960 or later. It's really stupid to lay down that kind of cash for a CPU whose capabilities I probably won't use for the next couple of years if not longer. But I don't need to have TS2010 and Flight sim running at the same time with room to spare, so that's serious overkill. Similarly, I don't run any DX11 games so I have no need for Win7. Whether you agree with the reviews stating that performance is the same or worse under Win7 or not, for most current apps, there is no benefit to using Win7 since most current apps don't take advantage of any of its hallmark features (or, I should say, "feature" - DX11.)

What's the “wannabe-flightsim forum”?

You know, the FS forums you constantly direct me to, with the people who act they know WTF they are talking about but haven't a clue. Kind like certain annoying railfans...

Again who isn't able to run off line?

Ah, now you continue to evade the issue, so you are the one presenting misleading "facts." Again, answer my question as I posed it: CAN YOU ACTIVATE WINDOWS 7 AND TAKE IT OFFLINE TO STAY? I'm going somewhere with this. If you were paying attention, you probably already know where. It's not a "gotcha" question.

Well duh did you ever hear of better multi-core support in Windows 7? How about better driver support for new hardware?

Yeah, on an 8-core system. Did you know FSI's Level-Ds beat FSX?

Windows 7 will be in a much better position when true 8-core machines and NUMA architectures become commonplace in a few years. That's not the case now.

Nope, that's why have multiple copies of XP, Vista, Windows 7 and Linux, so I don't have to speculate like you do.

Ah, so you have to run back to XP when Win7 or Vista don't work... Partial Quod Erat Demonstrandum.

What's the matter are we now whining because someone brought nicer toys to the sand pile, lol.

Aww, your overpriced toys make you much man! Gotta impress those forum geeks you're never gonna meet! Meanwhile, I'll use my spare cash I saved on buying a practical computer on other things.

 

[djt]

No, you throw money and hope it works out, instead of looking at your needs and doing some homework.

Nope, I didn't have to, I beta tested it first and then read between the lines about what was going to happen with drivers for new hardware, that sealed the deal.

I think about my needs, how stuff works and buy appropriately.

No actually you're trying to justify your spending limitations to others in this forum. Remember playing Trainz or any other game is just entertainment not a necessity, so if you can't afford to game on the the PC and have any decent results it's OK.

But I don't need to have TS2010 and Flight sim running at the same time with room to spare, so that's serious overkill.

Who runs TS2010 and Flight sim at the same time?

You know, the FS forums you constantly direct me to, with the people who act they know WTF they are talking about but haven't a clue.

So the information in the guides wasn't correct or did it tell you something you didn't want tot hear?

The information in those guides was really just the same information you'd get in any decent hardware forum, so I guess they are all wrong but you are right?

But wait, you don't even have the hardware or the operating system to prove the information wrong, how could this be, lol?

Yeah, on an 8-core system. Did you know FSI's Level-Ds beat FSX? Windows 7 will be in a much better position when true 8-core machines and NUMA architectures become commonplace in a few years. That's not the case now.

I give up how did FSI's Level-Ds beat FSX? Please tell.

So you have to have an eight core system to make use of the better multi-core support in Windows 7?

I've got 12 virtual cores on one of my i7 setups does this mean I'm good to go?

Ah, so you have to run back to XP when Win7 or Vista don't work.

No I just like proving noobs wrong in discussions like this? See it's all about having the means to do an actual comparison and not speculate because you don't have hardware or operating system to actually compare.

Meanwhile, I'll use my spare cash I saved on buying a practical computer on other things.

You savvy guy you!

Gee what other practical computer things would improve gaming performance more than an operating system that supports up to date hardware or a more powerful CPU or video card?

 

[RRSignal]

Nope, I didn't have to, I beta tested it first and then read between the lines about what was going to happen with drivers for new hardware, that sealed the deal.

Gee, I did some research and found Windows 7 wasn't for me.

No actually you're trying to justify your spending limitations to others in this forum. Remember playing Trainz or any other game is just entertainment not a necessity, so if you can't afford to game on the the PC and have any decent results it's OK.

Yeah, I'm trying to justify not wasting money on something I don't need and which won't benefit me. It's called being smart.

Who runs TS2010 and Flight sim at the same time?

Who needs an i7 960 to run TS2010? Who needs it to run FS? Are you starting to get the concept that overpaying for stuff you don't need now or in the near future is, uh, stupid?

So the information in the guides wasn't correct or did it tell you something you didn't want tot hear?

It was useless because it is relevant to nothing. Now, if I wanted to run MoH, Win7 would make sense.

The information in those guides was really just the same information you'd get in any decent hardware forum, so I guess they are all wrong but you are right?

ibid.

But wait, you don't even have the hardware or the operating system to prove the information wrong, how could this be, lol?

Hmm, what a short memory you have.

I give up how did FSI's Level-Ds beat FSX? Please tell.

A Level-D sim is much more accurate an experience than FSX. It's also many orders of magnitude more expensive than FSX and much, much more than what most people want or need. But if you want to squander your money on overkill, it's your right...but I'm gonna call it stupid. If you don't like it, suck it up.

So you have to have an eight core system to make use of the better multi-core support in Windows 7?

Nope, I don't need it, and as the architectures to properly support it and, thus, the potential benefits of "better multi-core support in Windows 7" are not mature, it's not of much use at this juncture. A few years from now, things may be different. Then - and, again, assuming it is something that would benefit the common user - this topic should be revisited.

I've got 16 virtual cores on one of my i7 setups does this mean I'm good to go?

Probably. Do you run any software that will take advantage of 16 cores?

No I just like proving noobs wrong in discussions like this? See it's all about having the means to do an actual comparison and not speculate because you don't have hardware or operating system to actually compare.

First, I've probably been involved in computers personally and professionally far longer than you, starting in 1980/81. The noobs blow $3,000-$4,000 hoping their system is the hottest shiznit, rather than doing homework and learning about how stuff works and figuring out what is needed, what isn't; what pays and what doesn't. That way, I don't waste money. Then again, I don't hang out in forums trying to impress the geeks with my 16-core rig when I can do what I need just as well as you can with 2.

Gee what other practical computer things would improve gaming performance more than an operating system that supports up to date hardware or a more powerful CPU or video card?

Pretty much anything, in the case of Win7. Let's see, Win7 Pro 64 is about $300 retail, right? Add $100 for the extra 4Gb of memory needed on top of the current 4Gb I have (again, which I really don't need, but, since I already own it, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and not add onto the cost.) Ok, that's $400. For that I could buy a Velociraptor and get a nice GTX460. Or, since I don't need DX11 support - and few people really do - I could settle for a nice GTS250 and still be able to put that extra 4Gb into my XP-Pro 64 machine. Or, I could buy two Raptors and set them up in a RAID 0 configuration. Any of these options will likely give me better performance than switching to Win7 will, especially in light of the fact that none of the applications or games I run - or, probably, any I will run in the next 3-4 years - will benefit from any of Win7's enhancements.

Oh, hey, guess what: I just did another check - I can get two Raptors AND the GTS250 for under $400. Woohoo!

 

[djt]

p { margin-bottom: 0.08in; } Ah, now you continue to evade the issue, so you are the one presenting misleading "facts." Again, answer my question as I posed it: CAN YOU ACTIVATE WINDOWS 7 AND TAKE IT OFFLINE TO STAY? I'm going somewhere with this. If you were paying attention, you probably already know where. It's not a "gotcha" question.

As I mentioned before just like anyone who keeps their system properly maintained I periodically connect to Windows updates and then disconnect from the Internet so I wouldn't know or care. But then again who would.


For those who have been following this thread and are now worried or even terrified about that bad ol' Windows 7 periodic reauthorization (what ever that is right, lol), I've ventured where rrsignal was afraid to go, an actual forum where information can be found on the subject -



http://www.sevenforums.com/general-discussion/120448-windows-7-periodic-reauthorization.html


http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2115313

 

[djt]

Gee, I did some research and found Windows 7 wasn't for me.

No you checked your wallet and found Windows 7 wasn't for me.

Yeah, I'm trying to justify not wasting money on something I don't need and which won't benefit me. It's called being smart.

You've got it in your head that it won't benefit you because you'll never be able to use it to even know one way or another.

Who needs an i7 960 to run TS2010? Who needs it to run FS?

Anyone who desires excellent performance in CPU dependent games.

It was useless because it is relevant to nothing. Now, if I wanted to run MoH, Win7 would make sense.

Again you've made it irrelevant because it made recommendations that you don't want to hear.

the potential benefits of "better multi-core support in Windows 7" are not mature, it's not of much use at this juncture.

Then how come there is a performance increase with the games I have that can use multi-core CPU's when run on Windows 7?

Do you run any software that will take advantage of 16 cores?

12 cores, not yet but soon.

If you page down to the “4 October 2010” section of this “What’s new?” page on X-Plane 10 development there’s some interesting info on what can be accomplished by taking advantage of multi-core CPU’s (16 cores with Hyper-threading enabled to be exact) –

http://www.x-plane.com/pg_news.html

The noobs blow $3,000-$4,000 hoping their system is the hottest shiznit, rather than doing homework and learning about how stuff works and figuring out what is needed, what isn't; what pays and what doesn't. That way, I don't waste money. Then again, I don't hang out in forums trying to impress the geeks with my 16-core rig when I can do what I need just as well as you can with 2.

Could you give us some examples of the performance you are getting with that machine you built by thoroughly doing your homework?

Or, I could buy two Raptors and set them up in a RAID 0 configuration.

Unless you are using a quality PCI-e RAID controller card the Raptors in RAID 0 on the motherboard RAID controller will nothing to help performance, especially with a CPU dependent game.

Been there done that, I been using Raptor hard drives since they first came out in 2003.