Copyright - It really means something you know

[zatovisualworks]

Please, guys, don't hyperoverreact!

• Please, don't blame Tony (this thread's originator) for trying to recall trainzetiquette (what is what really matters among us, maybe among enterprises, tycoons and companies what matters is 'suing, courts, law and jurisprudence').
• Please, don't blame Bee En for recalling that it's not really fair to nitpick about this because everybody is using trademarks and logos on their models and nobody angers at it.
• Please, remember that most Trainz freeware websites and even the DS consist of enthusiastic work from non-profit trainzers who are offering his best for everybody's amusement.
• Please, don't blame Auran who is looking aside, forgetting their own rules concerning uploading contents with well-known trademarks and logos (including world-wide railways carriers). Everything's done for accuracy's sake, not for making any profit.

IMHO, let's try keep trainzetiquette alive and that's what preserves respect and collaboration sound and safe.

IBTZ favourite license? "Contact us".

Take care,

Alberte :wave:

BTW, IBerTrainZ is now officially ®, yes, we paid for it at the Spanish registar. :hehe: But we keep being the same old amateur humble trainzers who need help from others and provide support to others.

 

[pommie]

I didn't intend to refer to any one person although that is hard to do when replying to a particular person and using quotes
The references to copying drawings against their copyright was to creators that do not buy plans, naturally if a creator does buy or otherwise get permission to use them the are exempt from that statement.
As far as a mesh not being a copy of the plans, of course it is, if I hand typed a book (as in copied) could I then claim the copyright to that work, I mean I did all the work so I own the copyright !!!!

John, you said,
"Or are you simply saying that practically every item in Trainz and other simulators is illegal since they are representations of something that some one owns?"

I am not trying to say anything other than a lot of creators cannot claim copyright to the items that they claim it.
Being legally able to use drawings for NON-profit/personal uses is a far cry from being able to claim copyright on said item.

The government building bit was only an example used to show that the statement about being able to photograph anything and everything was false and people should read up on what they are claiming before making such a broad statement, I'll try again with a different example.
If you take a photograph of my street that shows my house but the street scene is the main focus, then I cannot do anything about it, however if my house is prominent in that photo it becomes the main focus and you would need my permission to publish that photo, and that includes uploading it to the web.

As S301 said earlier this subject has the potential to rip the community apart, please do not let this happen and keep the posts in here civil and as impersonal as possible.

Cheers David

 

[Smileyman]

BTW, IBerTrainZ is now officially ®, yes, we paid for it at the Spanish registar. :hehe:

Is that Trainz Classics 4 I hear on the horizon Alberte? :wave::hehe::hehe:

Smiley.

 

[zatovisualworks]

[Off-topic]

No, no, dear Smiley, it's IBerTrainZ Classics :hehe: (an aging six-year-old baby now).

Alberte :wave:

[Easing agressivity mode on too]

 

[Heaton]

Might be worth mentioning the possibly obvious fact that images can have copyright and be trademark-registered. If you copy Mickey Mouse out of a single frame of a Disney toon, put him on a loco and distribute it (distribution is the key sin with all this), you've violated both copyright and trademark law. If you draw your own Mickey so it obviously is him, put it on a loco etc., it's just trademark law you're in dutch with.

The only way to be fireproof is to be totally original, or use non-trademark, out-of-copyright stuff. Of course it's hard to go that route with Trainz modeling, since people like to have models of recognisable, modern, rolling stock and locos.

If you don't mind a fictionalised look, in general an idea or type of design can't have copyright, so you can make a skin that gives a good impression of some specific real-world styling. I made some old-style American gas-pump 3D models a while back (not for Trainz), and spent an afternoon studying pics on the web to get a feel for the colours and logo styles that they commonly used, then made my own based on that. That worked OK.

Is there a Benny's Breads anywhere in the world, I wonder?

 

[leeferr]

David
I have to respectfully take exception to your blanket statement that meshes are copies of plans. I have several pieces of structure content on the DLS that are my original concept and my original mesh. If they are copies of plans, then the plans are in my head. Additionally, some of my structure content on the DLS exist in actuality as I was the original architect on the buildings and own the copyright to the original drawings. So to say that all meshes are copies of plans is misleading. Your statement might be somewhat true of rolling stock content, but to generalize that all meshes are copies of someone elses work is demeaning.

I hope that I've mistaken the intent of your comment, but we creators can be very sensitive when our original work is claimed not to be original.

Happy Trainz'n

Mike

 

[trw1089]

Thanks Alberte, I couldn't have said it better.

BN, initially it was just a couple of kids, but I have agreements with Auran regarding my content included with TC which I would like respected, and if others can't do that, I'm not prepared to cut any slack.

I've helped a lot of people with sound assets, buildings etc and built a couple of items of rollingstock. I'm not a prolific creator by any means, but when I do create something, it would be nice to know that someone else isn't just going to rip it off and then upload it somewhere that I have no control over. My sound packs are made from either those I have recorded myself or have permission from the publisher or authors to use. I do ask, and if I don't receive permission, I don't use it, simple as that.

To be honest, I am finding it very difficult to justify carrying on with this community if this attitude of ripping off others work is tolerated (cut some slack I think the words were), or even condoned. There are some fundamental attitude shifts that have occurred here, and I for one find them quite difficult to live with.

Tony