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leeferr said:
... It is called 'freedom of choice'...

You're right, it is freedom of choice and it's going to by my freedom of choice not to download any content that's not on the DLS. It's just not worth the hassle and complaints to use content that's not on the DLS, no matter how good it is. Just my humble opinion. When I was new to Trainz, I downloaded content from 3rd party sites and now it's just too difficult to figure out whether my downloaded content is from the DLS or from a 3rd party.:(
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So I guess what you are saying is that for one, you will never download any future routes from TPR because they won't be on the dls ?

That's too bad as the release of the Proto Clinch will not see the dls. Nor will the release of RSP (Roscoe, Snyder & Pacific).
 
Hi,

@Narrowgauge
Well i did send emails. But never got answer of some mails. Maby because some Russian users(an example) cant read my mail or i do something wrong. So it is very difficult to get this done.


Alberte(zatovisualworks) hits the point here. As a route builder you build with the content you like if it is on DLS or not that is not the point for me. I always include a readme file in the map folder of the route i made. In the readme i setup all the links to the outsite content. And i can tell you all: to make a readme cost me sometines a week to get all done.
The problem comes when the link afther a while doesn't exist anymore. Plz dont blame the routebuilders for that. I think we all do our best to get all out of Trainz that is possible. And ofcourse its up to you if you download a route or not.

Greetz Laika;)

P.S. here is an example of a readme i always make. its not ready yet because the route isnt ready and a friend is working on a tranlation in French because its a french route. But i know that afther a while a couple of links dont work anymore. But more as a routebuilder i cant do
http://members.home.nl/laika99/readme Paris-Montparnasse.txt
 
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meridious said:
So I guess what you are saying is that for one, you will never download any future routes from TPR because they won't be on the dls ?

That's too bad as the release of the Proto Clinch will not see the dls. Nor will the release of RSP (Roscoe, Snyder & Pacific).
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If all of the content is not either built-in or on the DLS, then that's exactly what I'm saying. Just the path that I've decided to take, but that's not a rap on your fine creations or those that want to download 3rd party content. I hate that I'll miss out on what I'm sure are great routes. It's just my current choice.
The problem is that if I download a 3rd party route and it includes 3rd party content, I have no easy way in surveyor to tell if content that I want to use on a route is built-in, DLS or 3rd party.
 
Maybe not in surveyor but Trainz Objectz already tells you what is built in or 3rd party. Now it won't tell you if it's on dls or not.
 
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Omber, if you do not have the patience to go through a 3rd party route that you have downloaded to delete the missing items, which generally are textures and buildings that you don't need to operate your trains on, then that is your choice. However, I fully agree with Alberte and Pizzaman that to go onto these sites is great fun and using the Google translate function you can read pages from Italian, French, German, Spanish and yes, even Russian, to enable you to read in English what these sites have to offer. I have downloaded layouts from the Ukraine, Russia, Romania, Bulgaria, Poland and the Czech Republic from 3rd Party sites, but I don't speak their languages fluently, and have immense pleasure in running my trains on them every week. With a bit of tweaking and deleting I have these routes to my own personal preference now and enjoyed every minute of amending, updating, texturing and re-signalling them and have loved every minute of it. Expand your knowledge and pleasure of what is out there in Trainzland, you might even enjoy yourself.
 
meridious said:
Maybe not in surveyor but Trainz Objectz already tells you what is built in or 3rd party. Now it won't tell you if it's on dls or not.
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That's my point. There's not a way to tell if something is on the DLS or not. I surrender the fact that I'm missing out on a lot of fine layouts, but I still have fun with what I've got.
 
Alberte
I agree totally and that is exactly what I'm doing.
Now...back to having some fun

By the way, how did you get that DLS ticket in your signature? I sure miss those
 
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DLS problems? or just me?

:'( i have been having some problems with the download station lately, every file i try to download (even individually) i get an error, i have activated my first class ticket, and i still get problems, they started this morning, is their any way that i can resolve this? or is it an issue with the sight.:confused:
 
leeferr said:
Alberte
By the way, how did you get that DLS ticket in your signature? I sure miss those
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:p Forging it from Queensland, Australia, :hehe: L_E

http://www.zatovisualworks.com/smileys/batch3/ds.gif

I heard Lance telling they are bringing them back, are you, Lancie? ;)

PHP: 
Give it a try
[url="http://www.auran.com/TRS2004/DLS.php?SearchCriteria=86311:&textsearchID=1"][IMG]http://www.zatovisualworks.com/smileys/batch3/ds.gif[/IMG][/url]
Take care,

Alberte :)
 
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Maybe anybody that uploads a layout or whatever that uses 3rd party content could put that fact in the description? That way those trainzers that do not want to "waste" time downloading it only to have problems finding the 3rd party stuff will be able to see before hand & know.
Personally I'd like to know before & even better if author could say how many items are not on DLS. Must admit tho'that I've had some fun searching out 3rd party stuff & have found some great sites, many in languages I don't have a clue about but usually manage to muddle through and if not I ask!
Just my humble opinions :)
Paul
 
Well it's a nice idea, but it just doesn't happen. As mentioned earlier, some of the links won't even stay online for too long. And it's basically a lot of work to keep track of which objects are being used, and for that simple reason, not everyone will bother. :)
 
Hi Ex Railwayman, you mentioned Polish sites/layouts, as I lived/worked in Poland for 4 years I have an interest, can you give me any details of the Polish sites you know of that have routes to download.
Thanks
PJ
 
Torchy85 said:
Maybe anybody that uploads a layout or whatever that uses 3rd party content could put that fact in the description? That way those trainzers that do not want to "waste" time downloading it only to have problems finding the 3rd party stuff will be able to see before hand & know.
Personally I'd like to know before & even better if author could say how many items are not on DLS. Must admit tho'that I've had some fun searching out 3rd party stuff & have found some great sites, many in languages I don't have a clue about but usually manage to muddle through and if not I ask!
Just my humble opinions :)
Paul
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The layout creator uses kuids that are available on their machine. They have no way of knowing if all the items are on the DLS or not at the time of creation. This is part of the problem.

Cheerio John
 
johnwhelan said:
The layout creator uses kuids that are available on their machine. They have no way of knowing if all the items are on the DLS or not at the time of creation. This is part of the problem.
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I agree, not at the time of creation but they can check all the items individually before upload against the DLS content without any problem apart from the time it takes

Regards Bob V
 
You guys crack me up.

Okay....the members who have decided not to download third party routes with other than DLS content are to be commended. As Patton would have said "You're the only SOB that knows what he's trying to do around here."

Those who are willing to search around to complete a quality route are to be commended as well, you are true hobbiests that can harken back to the early days of Trainz. A true hobby Trainz can be, and asks us to work hard, like any good hobby does.

Those of you who just want to whine about how something is not as easy as pie, well, you guys need to realize that this is Trainz.....not SuperMarioBros, or Sonic the Hedgehog.:o

Ed
 
Not as straightforward as Ed puts it there but...

It seems to me that there is an underlying belief in some of you, my trainzy friends, that freeware route creators put items there whimsically to make life more difficult to downloaders. ;)

Not that, of course, just to improve the route since there is trainzy life outside the DS. And I do declare again and again that the DS is a wonderful idea... but there should be more alternative stores (like Ed, Micheal & Co.'s TPR Downloading Depot http://trainzproroutes.com/downloads/index.php -you are welcome, guys ;), where I have also started sharing my humble stuff too, along with IBTZ and the DS) :Y:

Have a good day, my trainzy friends.

Alberte :)
 
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trackplate said:
I agree, not at the time of creation but they can check all the items individually before upload against the DLS content without any problem apart from the time it takes

Regards Bob V
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maybe but also the DL sometimes tells fibs
reporting content not available when all can see it listed there :'(
 
Euphod said:
You guys crack me up.

Okay....the members who have decided not to download third party routes with other than DLS content are to be commended. As Patton would have said "You're the only SOB that knows what he's trying to do around here."

Those who are willing to search around to complete a quality route are to be commended as well, you are true hobbiests that can harken back to the early days of Trainz. A true hobby Trainz can be, and asks us to work hard, like any good hobby does.

Those of you who just want to whine about how something is not as easy as pie, well, you guys need to realize that this is Trainz.....not SuperMarioBros, or Sonic the Hedgehog.:o

Ed
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Are you sure Sonic the Hedgehog isn't on the DLS?

Cheerio John
 
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