applegathc
NoT tHe StAtUeS!
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Austrian Nohab Warbonnet. Yes. Nohab Warbonnet.
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simulatortrain
jointed freaking rails
I heard about this, but forgot to look it up. Interesting idea.
Suits the Nohab quite nicely, I'm not sure if one has been released on the DLS. I saw a screenie of the Paintshed one somewhere on the forums.
Makes me wonder, why doesn't/didn't the USA have dual cab locos. I can't think of any US loco that was dual cab. A few Amtrak electrics I know of, but no diesels.
Makes me wonder, why doesn't/didn't the USA have dual cab locos. I can't think of any US loco that was dual cab. A few Amtrak electrics I know of, but no diesels.
Red_Rattler
Since 09 May 2003
Just in case people search for this thread that heading should be "Austrian Nohab. . .", not Austrains. Austrains is a model railway company.
applegathc
NoT tHe StAtUeS!
Indeed.. actually I think it does say Austrian..? Guess the Mod's changed it. So thank you.
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simulatortrain
jointed freaking rails
CNJ had those dual-cab Baldwins, and EL was VERY close to buying dual-cabbed E8s but something (can't remember what) caused them not to. The reason there weren't more is locomotives usually operated in multiple with a cab turned toward each end, so there was no need for a cab at each end of a locomotive. An A-B-B-A set of cab units, for example, operated as a single locomotive and had a cab at each end.
Michael_Evans
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Colhad, the Central Railroad of New Jersey had several dual cab diesel.
The only other dual cab diesels I can think of are boxcabs used for industrial switching. All other dual cab U.S. locomotives are electric.
magickmaker
New member
I remember seeing pictures of a double ended diesel locomotive that was in GN or Milw Colors but for the life of me I can't find it. This one, tho photoshoped, ALMOST came into being.
http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u45/scottychaos/double-ender-1.jpg
http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u45/scottychaos/double-ender-1.jpg
A conflict of hardware...
The EL loco pictured has replaced it's steam generator with the second cab, therefore it no longer supplies steam to it's rake of carriges...being that the E-Series was on A-1-A+A-1-A also means it had less tractive effort so roads like the Santa Fe bought F-units instead for long-haul passenger service over severe mountain grades(The Chief, The Super-Chief, El Capitan for example).
The cost of adding a second cab made it prohibitive to all but the richest roads, no large demand occurred, so EMD left off the idea...but it was considered.
Back in the day, there were an abundance of turntables(just about one every 150 miles), so the concept was abandoned.
The General Motors way of thinking was that you plan enough motive power to handle general requirements & the need for "fill-in" was accommodated by the fact that for every 20 or 50 locomotives you bought, one was provided for free to cover warranty breakdown repairs. That practice continues today & you can see that in some locomotive rosters(CSX bought 90 Dash-840C's, roster 93, Southern Railway System bought 90 GP-50's, rostered 92 with 3 demos(GP40X's),etc.
The idea is a good one, but these factors negated the idea as far as the US-American railroads were concerned.
The EL loco pictured has replaced it's steam generator with the second cab, therefore it no longer supplies steam to it's rake of carriges...being that the E-Series was on A-1-A+A-1-A also means it had less tractive effort so roads like the Santa Fe bought F-units instead for long-haul passenger service over severe mountain grades(The Chief, The Super-Chief, El Capitan for example).The cost of adding a second cab made it prohibitive to all but the richest roads, no large demand occurred, so EMD left off the idea...but it was considered.
Back in the day, there were an abundance of turntables(just about one every 150 miles), so the concept was abandoned.
The General Motors way of thinking was that you plan enough motive power to handle general requirements & the need for "fill-in" was accommodated by the fact that for every 20 or 50 locomotives you bought, one was provided for free to cover warranty breakdown repairs. That practice continues today & you can see that in some locomotive rosters(CSX bought 90 Dash-840C's, roster 93, Southern Railway System bought 90 GP-50's, rostered 92 with 3 demos(GP40X's),etc.
The idea is a good one, but these factors negated the idea as far as the US-American railroads were concerned.
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For those who don't know of em, EMD's first double ended locos (and CO-CO locos as well) were the VR B Class locos (aka the 'ML2' design).
These double ended bulldogs only came to be after much pushing from the VR. Originally, EMD refused to build them. Mind you, they also refused to build them as CO-CO units as well, but eventually they were done, and paved the way for all CO-CO units from EMD today
See this page here for more info: http://www.victorianrailways.net/motive power/bdie.html
They also weren't the only 'double ended' locos from EMD either. The VR S class has a 'hostlers' cab on the flat end (not used for general driving, only shunting and transfers). The NSWGR 421 class actually has a full cab on the blunt end as well. Plus the later 'butter boxes' EMDs built in Aus were double ended. These include the V/Line G class, Australian National BL's, and I think the NSWGR 422's are EMD's as well. There's possibly a few more 'modern' EMD 'butter boxes' in Aus as well, just can't remember which ones
Zec
These double ended bulldogs only came to be after much pushing from the VR. Originally, EMD refused to build them. Mind you, they also refused to build them as CO-CO units as well, but eventually they were done, and paved the way for all CO-CO units from EMD today
See this page here for more info: http://www.victorianrailways.net/motive power/bdie.html
They also weren't the only 'double ended' locos from EMD either. The VR S class has a 'hostlers' cab on the flat end (not used for general driving, only shunting and transfers). The NSWGR 421 class actually has a full cab on the blunt end as well. Plus the later 'butter boxes' EMDs built in Aus were double ended. These include the V/Line G class, Australian National BL's, and I think the NSWGR 422's are EMD's as well. There's possibly a few more 'modern' EMD 'butter boxes' in Aus as well, just can't remember which ones
Zec
Man!
Whoa,those were the colors of the former great northern Railroad company,that does look good on them although it still leaves me to be curious to why they decided to do that still!
Whoa,those were the colors of the former great northern Railroad company,that does look good on them although it still leaves me to be curious to why they decided to do that still!