Auran, "You" have a problem ...

[jivebunny]

At least one of the items in question was hosted on a private site and wasn't available anywhere else.

Hi Meridious,

If this is the case then that changes everything. However I have just read the french thread and cannot see where it mentions any non-DLS content. I may well have simply missed it but could you clarify which item is concerned or where it is mentioned? Just for the benefit of the thread so we're certain of what we're talking about here.

Cheers,

JB

 

[Euphod]

Let us hope this does not become an International Debacle.....(I'm having a hard time imagining French Troops on Australian soil! )

Can we recap?

We have established that anything on the DLS can be released by Auran, per the uploading agreement, which further establishes that Euphod was NOT mistaken, but that Auran has been historically kind enough to ask the author's permission for inclusion, however leaving that detail in the hands of the route builder. I can verify this as I was asked permission for my content to be used in a route for 2006, as hard as some of you may find that to be true.

Now we are saying that the included piece of content was never hosted on the DLS? That would essentially mean the route builder would have had to change the kuid of the item and supply it to Auran as his own work, along with other odds and ends he created for his route, so it would not exist on the DLS with the original kuid. Are you with me here?

That would be a very serious charge to the individual, and I'm not willing to speculate further, (just far enough as I have to provide more grist for the mill)

In any case, I doubt that Auran is at fault here. They have always been upstanding in character to work with in the past.

Ed

 

[jivebunny]

Now we are saying that the included piece of content was never hosted on the DLS? That would essentially mean the route builder would have had to change the kuid of the item and supply it to Auran as his own work, along with other odds and ends he created for his route, so it would not exist on the DLS with the original kuid.

This is exactly what I mean - I think we should hold off on the discussion until we're 100% sure of where the content was hosted. If it was on the DLS then we don't have a problem (other than one of courtesy), if it wasn't on the DLS then I'd say we do.

JB

 

[Euphod]

As I wait for the truth to emerge, I shall sharpen the tines on my pitchfork, and lay in an ample supply of torches, just in case. I advise everyone to "pick a buddy" for the lynching, those without buddies will be assigned one once we are closer to the castle. We may need a battering ram if it is established that the item was payware, and of course no one will be marching until the prerequisite thunderstorm materializes.....

Ed

 

[meridious]

Have edited my post. Don't trust Babelfish for translating anything.

Casey38, check your private messages here.

 

[Harry_James_Potter]

Casey,

I appreciate your concern, but it is not for you to raise an issue of content-stealing on behalf of another member, in this case, "scarol".

If Scarol has a problem, then it is his option to take the matter up with Auran.

And that does not happen here, it happens in an email from "Scarol" to helpdesk@auran.com

and what happens thereafter is between Scarol and Auran.

You might well know "Scarol" and he might be your friend, or you might be upset at this "content stealing". Whatever the case, it rests between "Scarol" and Auran and does not belong in this thread.

The email doesn't work and hasn't done since late 2004 when they switched it off.

you have to fill in the form at www.auran.com/helpdesk instead.

regards

Harry

 

[Euphod]

Where's that Rosetta Stone when you really need it?
Ed:'(

 

[Mike10]

Just to add to the confusion... I thought it was the distributor that added the extra routes to the French version.

Mike.

 

[amigacooke]

Just realised this is a classic 'row brews up over a weekend when Auran are away' thread. Perhaps Monday will bring some answers.

 

[narrowgauge]

A little bit of enlightenment here.

When we made Northbay and submitted the final version we had to zip up all the content and send it with the route. There was no necessity to change the KUIDs or need to identify whether it was DLS or otherwise.

The onus was on us to request permission.

As far as the creator not being able to identify the source, it was his responsibility to start with a 'clean' program to enable him to identify what he was using. We did this and knew exactly what we used. Any item we added was in the final '\downloads' folder. In any case, if the download folder is emptied of all but the route, Trainz Objectz will show a list of added items including the email address so the argument that the creator did not or could not know what he was sending does not hold up.

Scarol knew the content was being included, Lance asked for permission and it seems to me from one of his posts, that Scarol did not reply. I would guess that this was taken as tacit permission.

Finally, and this was done to death in the old forum, Auran are not selling the routes or content, Auran are providing the content as free additions to the software for which they are selling a licence.

Cheers

Narrowgauge

 

[ish6]

Let us hope this does not become an International Debacle.....(I'm having a hard time imagining French Troops on Australian soil! )


Ed

Or for that matter, having US troops in the middle of it all ....

Good one Ed!! Had me laughing here!!:hehe:

Ishie

 

[Geoff_McDougall]

Like Narrowgauge said, I think every effort was made to contact third party creators for their permission to include their content on routes distributed with 2007. I was certainly asked and I was pleased to give my permission. Cheers Geoff

 

[shadowdemond56]

I'm having trouble downloading content from the trainz website, and even though it directs me to a protocol page to assist me, it still will not let me download the protocol program, can anyone help?

 

[shadowdemond56]

I'm having trouble downloading content from the trainz website, and even though it directs me to a protocol page to assist me, it still will not let me download the protocol program, can anyone help? websites like windowsfileassociation.com and paretologic.com don't show anything on the page, I need to be able to download content.

 

[cathouse]

Why Oh why have you dredged up a 3 year old thread to ask this question???

Roy

 

[American_Connections]

Your Words

Why Oh why have you dredged up a 3 year old thread to ask this question???

Roy

And tell us, are you here to help, or just to be a pain? Maybe he was searchin on the subject and wanted to ask a relevant question! You didn't have to even read this thread now did you! Get off the "old thread" bit and judge the person you see in the mirror!

 

[Red_Rattler]

Why Oh why have you dredged up a 3 year old thread to ask this question???

So what is wrong with that, if he's adding about the same subject? We have too many threads on the one topic, although I will say that a thread can be too long at times. Having the minimal amout of threads on the one subject makes it easier.

 

[ColPrice2002]

So what is wrong with that, if he's adding about the same subject

Not a lot - but "bumping" an old topic with an irrelevent question causes other people to take up the topic again:-
see:-
http://forums.auran.com/trainz/showthread.php?t=55785
(next topic as I read the forum)

Another discussion on the original topic has kicked off - on a separate thread.

@ shadowdemon:-
Which version of Trainz are you using? (there are different answers for different versions)
What are you trying to download? - I'm not sure I understnad the "protocol page"?

You may find it easier to post a new thread (with the above information) rather than this one.

Colin

 

[cathouse]

considering that 'A' the last post was july 2007 and 'b' the thread had no relavance to his question, how did he ever expect to get an answer.

he would be better off starting a new thread.

Roy

 

[Smileyman]

First of all, if Auran was bothered with very, very old threads being bumped, they'd enable the forum software to lock threads that haven't been active for a set period.
Most other forums have that active as standard, usually with a limit of 12 months inactivity.


So until Auran fix that, the threads are there for our use and abuse.

Seriously back on the original topic though, Auran had always asked my permission to use any of my content built-in, right up to TRS2006, but since then I've noticed items of mine that are now built-in to TS2010 that weren't asked for.

Asking was just a common courtesy, which was appreciated, but I'm pretty sure that uploading to the DLS gives them permission to without authorisation.

As long as Auran are providing a good game and a good DLS service, then I don't have a problem with that, although that is subject to change.

Including assets of yours in the game that aren't on the DLS is another matter completely, but I don't think they've ever done that.

Smiley.