Funny... You must not buy a great deal of computer software. There are countless games (and other programs) out there for sale that no longer are supported. This is nothing new to the gaming community.
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Funny... You must not buy a great deal of computer software. There are countless games (and other programs) out there for sale that no longer are supported. This is nothing new to the gaming community.
amigacooke
Well-known member
Notch another one up in support.
gremlin1812
New member
G'Day WindWalkr, "Actually, I don't think that we are selling any of the products which are to be unsupported this year. We are giving them away free with the boxed copy of TS2010:EE while stocks last, but if you don't want the unsupported freebie, then you're welcome to chuck it in the bin.
chris"
Think again, they were all in the shop up untill the s... hit the fan. I purchased Trainz Collection in early February from the Auran shop I planned to use this an an eventual steeping stone to newer versions, but now it seems I and many others are the stepping stones. does this situation encourage me, NO, Auran could have allowed 04 and 06 users to access the DLS in game for the forseable future with an FCT but no, and this is the very reason that even with an FCT I and many others cannot get on the DLS because everyone wants as much as they can get before the axe finally drops.
Have a nice day.
Barrie
chris"
Think again, they were all in the shop up untill the s... hit the fan. I purchased Trainz Collection in early February from the Auran shop I planned to use this an an eventual steeping stone to newer versions, but now it seems I and many others are the stepping stones. does this situation encourage me, NO, Auran could have allowed 04 and 06 users to access the DLS in game for the forseable future with an FCT but no, and this is the very reason that even with an FCT I and many others cannot get on the DLS because everyone wants as much as they can get before the axe finally drops.
Have a nice day.
Barrie
Buffalo_trains93
It's snowy here.
I'm against some of this, but Aardvark1, you're probably the person on this forum with the most sense in there heads. The ONLY thing holding me back from getting 2010 is Speedtrees (Amoung a few other random gadgets here and there that should be added in, such as a Doppler effect, and the bell only ringing on the LEAD unit). I cannot stand the look of em. They make everything look so childish and flimsy. EDIT: I was just shown the link so the previous statement has been nulled. If so, will there be any work from content creators withen NV3/Auran to help get the ball rolling? I understand the decision by NV3/Auran, but do not support it. From what I've read, 2010 is a good game, but all it seems to be is 09, with Speedtree's, and a patch. I just don't hear enough good things about 2010 as opposed to 2004, which in my opinion is the best out of the whole series.
Take care,
Ryan:wave:
Take care,
Ryan:wave:
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I think you may have your cause-and-effect slightly backwards there. The recent forum activity is due to us pulling those products and announcing the end-of-support, not the other way around.
Buffalo_trains93 said:
As I've posted elsewhere, we're really not in the business of content creation any more. We do have one in-house content creator (Rob) and James obviously does a lot on his spare time, but numbers-wise we certainly can't match up to the third-party community so it's in our best interest to deal with the community rather than try and do everything ourselves.
TS2010 is a great game. If you want to think about new-version software as "just the old version, with some new content, new features, and patches" then you can dismiss virtually any product upgrade in the same way. "Oh, Windows 7 is just Windows 95 with a pretty theme and a patch."
kind regards,
chris
Buffalo_trains93
It's snowy here.
Chris,
I appreciate your reply. It wasn't so much as me labeling TRS2010 as a patch, I just said it seemed that way. Like I said, 04 was the best in my opinion, but I've heard good things about 2010, except the Speedtree's, and to be honest, from what I've seen, I can't say I like them, one bit. Tundra's Tree's and Jan's tree's are the best, I think. Like I said, if it comes down to the axe being brought to bear, then I will upgrade to TRS2010. NOT because I have to, because personally, I'm content with 06 and 04. Only because I want to see how far I can push it before it cracks, as they say.
Take care,
Ryan:wave:
It's always a little bumpy to learn something new, especially after so much time on the previous version- but I think that once you get past that, you'll really enjoy the new features.
We do indeed have some very talented content creators in our community. It's almost enough to make you look back at the forums one year ago where the cry was "it's impossible to make good looking trees, stop lying to us" and laugh.
Each to their own
kind regards,
chris
gremlin1812
New member
G'Day Chris, I really think you missed the point, I purchased the Trainz Collection from the Auran shop Less than a month before this announcement, you stated that you believed the products were not being sold this year, well you were wrong they were being sold fron the Auran shop right up to the announcement, and others have noticed this too.
I am new to Trainz and as I am currently unemployed and have been for nearly 8 months now, cannot afford a PC to run TRS 09/10, the others run fine on my single core P4 so how am I supposed to feel. Certainly not encouraged to continue especially when we won't be able to access the DLS in game even if we have a FCT, that is the biggest kick and I see no reason why full access could not have been continued with a FCT.
Totally disapointed.
Barrie
I am new to Trainz and as I am currently unemployed and have been for nearly 8 months now, cannot afford a PC to run TRS 09/10, the others run fine on my single core P4 so how am I supposed to feel. Certainly not encouraged to continue especially when we won't be able to access the DLS in game even if we have a FCT, that is the biggest kick and I see no reason why full access could not have been continued with a FCT.
Totally disapointed.
Barrie
No, I said that we are no longer selling them. I'm well aware that we were selling them up until the announcement.
What makes you think that '09 would not run on your machine? I don't remember that the specs for that version were particularly high.
It's a technical limitation, not an arbitrary decision. If we wanted to allow this, we'd basically have to update TRS2004 to use the TS2009 codebase, which is exactly what the TRS2004 users want to avoid anyway.
kind regards,
chris
gremlin1812
New member
G'Day Chris, This is what you posted exactly, "Actually, I don't think that we are selling any of the products which are to be unsupported this year. We are giving them away free with the boxed copy of TS2010:EE while stocks last, but if you don't want the unsupported freebie, then you're welcome to chuck it in the bin."
And I purchased mine in early February from the Auran shop, I can even supply the transaction details if you like.
Barrie
And I purchased mine in early February from the Auran shop, I can even supply the transaction details if you like.
Barrie
Ah, I understand your confusion. My apologies for the slightly ambiguous wording. Please read as:
Actually, I don't think that we are (selling any of the products) which are (to be unsupported this year).
chris
gremlin1812
New member
Chris, Auran were selling them THIS YEAR as I did purchase Trainz Collection (UTC,TRS2004/6, Trainz Paintshed and Trainz Routes 1-4 for TRS2006) all to be unsupported, purchased on the 14 February 2010 from the Auran shop on [FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Invoice number: 471805-405217-110973. I am sure [/FONT]14 February 2010 is part of THIS YEAR.
Barrie
Barrie
Since you seem unable to read chris's posts, let me spell it out for you:
the 'this year' part of his comment refers to when they will be end-of-life'd, not when they were for sale or not.
The 'we are not selling' part is talking about present tense, as in they are not NOW selling them, yes, they were earlier, but they are NOT NOW.
aardvark1
I agree with your post in general, particularly that no one is forced to upgrade Trainz
What I don't agree with is the way Auran release new editions with new features, but no real description of these new features and no description of what they are and how they work in the released edition.
I am specifically referring to 'layers', in which I and many others have no interest, yet are forced to have them activated with no way of turning them off. This results in a real mess on my computer as I have not mastered a way of coping with them.
Must we be denied the other good features of 2020 because there is no way of turning layers of.
cheers.
I agree with your post in general, particularly that no one is forced to upgrade Trainz
What I don't agree with is the way Auran release new editions with new features, but no real description of these new features and no description of what they are and how they work in the released edition.
I am specifically referring to 'layers', in which I and many others have no interest, yet are forced to have them activated with no way of turning them off. This results in a real mess on my computer as I have not mastered a way of coping with them.
Must we be denied the other good features of 2020 because there is no way of turning layers of.
cheers.
Great!
Thanks for the positive thread.
My TS2010 is to arrive by air-mail soon.
I think holding on to Legacy versions is a bit short-sighted, but there are other forums & places to whine about the current versions, maybe some of the rabble-rousing will exit also.
As a route creator, I have seen nothing but improvement, from '04, '06 & '09.
As a driver, time has added superb models to have more fun than I ever could have imagined.
Nobody has lied here, I'm glad to see streamlining of the system...
I want a hat!
Thanks for the positive thread.My TS2010 is to arrive by air-mail soon.
I think holding on to Legacy versions is a bit short-sighted, but there are other forums & places to whine about the current versions, maybe some of the rabble-rousing will exit also.
As a route creator, I have seen nothing but improvement, from '04, '06 & '09.
As a driver, time has added superb models to have more fun than I ever could have imagined.
Nobody has lied here, I'm glad to see streamlining of the system...
I want a hat!
BLACKWATCH
Mechanical Engineer
I think the 'Layers' idea is a brilliant move, it means you can keep different types of item seperate from others.
For instance, you can lay down a terrain on a layer, then lay down the tracks on another, as we all know, Railway companies will rip up track and re-route the line, so you can now re use the terrain layer but put another layer with the later track layout on it.
This saves having to make 2 seperate terrain layers, anyone who uses an art package like 'Photoshop' will understand what I mean.
For instance, you can lay down a terrain on a layer, then lay down the tracks on another, as we all know, Railway companies will rip up track and re-route the line, so you can now re use the terrain layer but put another layer with the later track layout on it.
This saves having to make 2 seperate terrain layers, anyone who uses an art package like 'Photoshop' will understand what I mean.
Exactly what I've always said. And for those who really don't want to use them, you don't have to. Even if a route you open was made with multiple layers, you can very easily merge them and return to the days of no layers. Why is this so hard to understand and do?
Had me a bit confused at first however I stuck with it.
I mainly Edit in one session layer all the time, then merge to the route layer every so often just to keep it up to date. When finished constructing you can then go back to using the session layers in the normal way to add any scenarios.
Extra layers are handy for changing things that are buried under a ton of objects etc bit remember to merge with the route layer after changing anything but as I see it there is no need to use more than one if that's what people are happy with.
Put simply
1. Start a new route call it New Route, save it as New Route and call the session New Route Edit.
2. Construct the route in the New Route Edit session.
3. Merge this session occasionally with the Route Layer to keep it up to date, if you don't the route will be missing anything added in your editing session.
Just a case of biting the bullet and getting to grips with the slightly changed methods of doing things.
There are probably other and better ways of dealing with Layers however this might help a bit!