04/06 content creators read this!

I agree with Auran on not supporting very old versions of Trainz, but if this had happened 12 months ago I wouldn't have.

It's only because I find TS2010 the first version worth having since TRS2004, so a year ago I would have still been using TRS2004.

For those who don't want to upgrade from TRS2004 (and it's your right not to), then don't.
Upload your assets to TPR, as well as your own webspace.
I've already started uploading all my previous assets to TPR, and my new content will be uploaded to TPR before the DLS because of how unreliable the DLS is.

If I decide to release some content to TRS2004 standards and the DLS won't accept it because of that, then fine, it will be uploaded elsewhere.
The DLS is not as important to Trainz as it was back in the day IMO, and as long as you upload to a reputable site that's not going to disappear within months, then there's no reason why you have to worry about your content.

As for removing older versions of Trainz from the online store, again, I can understand them doing that.

What I find amusing is that a great piece of software like TRS2004 is no longer for sale, but the laughable Cabon something or other is still on there! LOL

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Barn,

You seem to misunderstand - I want to deliberately restrict my content to running in TRS2004/2006. I don't want someone to be able to "FIX" it so that it will run under the latest system.

As for Microsoft not continuing support - so what? This will have no effect whatsoever. Microsoft updates create at least as many problems as they cure, and I don't use Microsoft application programs like Internet Explorer.

Dave Bird
 
Well, my dad said he'd buy me a First Class Ticket for a year. However, I told him I'd rather save up and buy TS2010...

Sorry gents, but I appears I might upgrade. I'll hold my breath until the day it won't let me download. Then, I'll see if Auran has a new simulator out by then or not.

That's what I'm waiting for, the new simulator.

If it doesn't come, then I'll buy TS2010. It's not that bad, the main thing I don't like is that they don't give you anything to start with. Hardly any tracks, hardly any buildings, and no trees but those "Treez" made by "Supertree". I did love the "Carz" series though, very well done Auran! We needed some better cars! :clap:

As for the "Treez" and "Supertree", oh ****! I just realized I'm upgrading our only computer sooner or later with an ATI Radeon card! :o

Cheers,
Joshua
 
So let me get this straight, if you have one of the older versions that support is being discontinued for you won't be able to use the DLS without a ticket? Jsut getting some clarification...
 
Q: Can I still access the Download Station after the end-of-support date?
A: Access granted to you by the unsupported product may be terminated. If you have purchased access through other means (newer products, First Class Ticket, etc.) then your access will continue thanks to these products.
Q: Can I still access the Download Station from within Trainz, Trainz Helper, or Content Manager after the end-of-support date?
A: Access to our servers from an unsupported product is not guaranteed, regardless of your level of Download Station access. You may need to download the content separately and then manually move it into the unsupported Trainz installation.

Basically, unless you buy a fct, then you will probably lose access to the dls if this is your only registered product. Via the download helper or cmp that is. The second point is not entirely clear but it does say you can go to the site manually and downlod content.
 
Okay, that's what I thought it meant as well, just making sure I wasn't taking it the wrong way.
I, for one, am slightly irked off by this development. I can understand not offering support at the help desk for outdated versions, but REQUIRING an FCT for the DLS if your version is unsupported would be going much too far. I, as a college student, don't really have the money to spare for upgrading my comp to run the brand spanking newest screwed-up trainz version OR an FCT. I can see the possibility of this blowing up in Aurans face by alienating the people that prefer the older versions of Trainz and the people who can't afford to upgrade.

On the other hand, if content creators were able to make a new site (or series of new sites) similar to the DLS by congregating some of the current download sites where it's easy to search by creator, type of object, or KUID I'm sure many would flock there. The only problem I see with that is that it could be a bit expensive to host a ton of content.

BTW, this was not said in an angry tone; it was said in a reasonable tone.
 
Well, in a way this is probably going to eventually turn into a great thing. Regarding the first class ticket only business, it means that Auran can actually get some more money to hire more staff, release updates and newer versions more frequently, and possibly even contract some developers to make some professional content and routes for us all to use. After the Fury debacle, the Trainz team really is running on a skeleton crew. It's also going to free up the helpdesk substantially. Considering the graphics and detail of the content Rail Simulator has already included compared to much of the included content in Trainz and its routes - much of which is nearly ten years told! - I would imagine that if I saw each box on a shelf together, I'd probably go with Rail Simulator. It's also going to encourage more content creators to make more modern content utilising the 2009 and 2010 features. Despite what I said about the first class ticket only business, I think that's going to hit a few people hard, but they really aren't that expensive. The only thing that I hope Auran do is provide a discount for people who own previous versions of Trainz who purchase 2009 or 2010. I think this would be a very smart business move. Once we get more native content for 2009 and 2010, I think Trainz will really start looking like a 21st century sim! 2010 is quite frankly a fantastic product. There are a few gripes, but hopefuly they can be solved with a service pack. It's frustrating that so many routes for 2010 still use content that is, as I mentioned, nearing ten years of age! As sentimental as we may all be about all of this, it's hard to argue that this doesn't need to be changed. Another advantage of discontinuing support for these older sims is that they can cut out much of the code which is there for the backwards compatability, therefore future releases will probably have much better performance, and Auran can concentrate more on fixing bugs and adding new features. They have my full support on this one.
 
transitguard said:
On the other hand, if content creators were able to make a new site (or series of new sites) similar to the DLS by congregating some of the current download sites where it's easy to search by creator, type of object, or KUID I'm sure many would flock there. The only problem I see with that is that it could be a bit expensive to host a ton of content.
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TPR has a site.

TPR Download Depot
 
meridious said:
Q: Can I still access the Download Station after the end-of-support date?
A: Access granted to you by the unsupported product may be terminated. If you have purchased access through other means (newer products, First Class Ticket, etc.) then your access will continue thanks to these products.
Q: Can I still access the Download Station from within Trainz, Trainz Helper, or Content Manager after the end-of-support date?
A: Access to our servers from an unsupported product is not guaranteed, regardless of your level of Download Station access. You may need to download the content separately and then manually move it into the unsupported Trainz installation.

Basically, unless you buy a fct, then you will probably lose access to the dls if this is your only registered product. Via the download helper or cmp that is. The second point is not entirely clear but it does say you can go to the site manually and downlod content.
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Thanks for the info!! :wave: :)

Ish
 
Notice before that I said possibly a congregation of such sites. Even if they were only congregated by using a comunal search where you could search them all at once.
 
illinoiscentral said:
If Auran proceeds with doing this, then I will not buy their product again.
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But you wouldn't have bought another one anyway. As TS2009 and TS2010 were crap (difficult to be sure obviously as you don't have them) it's a pretty safe bet that TS2011 and TS2012 will be crap as well. What's the problem? You've got a version that you are happy with and you are probably not worried about the screwed steam sounds and dodgy CMP in TRS2006.

Paul
 
transitguard said:
Notice before that I said possibly a congregation of such sites. Even if they were only congregated by using a comunal search where you could search them all at once.
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Correct me if I'm thinking wrong.
You really wouldn't need to congregate or combine anything. All that would be needed is a little program on the lines of the old Asset Seeker Manager or T.O. This program could be mainly for for those wanting the 04/06 assets that would search these sites. Although anyone could use it no matter what version of Trainz they had. We have some very talented people in this community so I'm sure one of them could write one.
 
illinoiscentral said:
......bg snip....

Why do I feel like I'm getting a middle finger and "shoove it up your a**" from Auran?
Cheers,
Woody:wave:
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Probably because your 16 years old, have never worked a day for a company that has fiduciary responsibility for revenue and income generation to the investors who have put their money into the business.

Will we be seeing another public apology for using inappropriate language on the forums?

Did you mean to say.... shove?

Have fun,
 
illinoiscentral said:
This is complete B.S.

Perhaps Auran should first look at the fact that a lot of us are still using 2004 and 2006, I personally do NOT care for their tactic here. They are doing this to entice us to buy the newer versions, I don't want those pieces of crap, I like 06, it works well.
Last I heard 09 was full of bugs or something, and what about all the content?

If Auran proceeds with doing this, then I will not buy their product again.
Yes, Indeed what is one little voice going to do about it? Nothing, exactly, they do not care. They want their money. They care nothing about me, the consumer, at all. Or else they wouldn't pull support on my product of choice.
I wouldn't doubt if there is still UTC users out there.
Why do I feel like I'm getting a middle finger and "shoove it up your a**" from Auran?


Cheers,
Woody:wave:
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This sounds like a whiny young kid wrote this......:eek:

JRT
 
I don't use language like that. Anyway, I think Auran (N3V Games) should have done this a long time ago, but not quit so dramatically.

JRT
 
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