Why wont trainz 2012 work properly.

[RRSignal]

As example, when you try to open a build-in asset, the program must open it as a clone. Dont say, the customer must open it as a clone.

Why must you open a built-in asset as a clone? I've done 2/3rds-3/4rds of the DLS cleanup (at least the public stuff) by my lonesome, and fixed over 1000 other assets, a lot of them built-in, not to mention that I made quite a few of my own. Not once did I have to clone anything. Cloning would just have made my job much harder.

One size does not fit all.

 

[HJAAM]

You never now what happend.
After nine times, it works. Even surveyor does it right. No waitings what so ever.
I can paint without any problem, go from objects to rails to world without any problem.

I have in system manager all what has to do with windows security disabled.
Setup ts12 and patches all in about 1,5 hour including building and repairing dbase.

No problems with drivers, drive, harddisks etc. just that stupid security centre from windows, can't belief it.

Oke guys, it works now for me now. Let see if it's keep on working wen i turn that security thing on.

 

[shaneturner12]

Hopefully it does, but that does sound about right for Trainz.

Shane

 

[sniper297]

"No i have not." That probably rules out starforce and securom as suspects, I was pretty sure that neither is running on my system when Silent Hunter isn't running anyway. What else it could be, I'm stumped. Only thing I can really suggest is uninstall and reinstall, making sure you clean up all old temp files, empty the recycle bin, check and defrag the hard disk before reinstalling.

Built in assets sometimes do get opened for edit by mystery gremlins, then automatically committed when the game is started. To find those set the filter for built in - true, locally modified - true;

And there's 3 of the little culprits now. To fix, select them and right click;

Select Edit, and Revert to Original.

Next step is clear the filter and reset to faulty - true, fix or delete whatever you have installed that's faulty, then missing dependencies and fix or get rid of those.

TS12 runs lousy on my system whatever I do, all graphics settings tweaked and all detail sliders at minimum, but I don't have the constant trouble with trainzutil repairing assets forever like you do. Bugs and pauses and freezes in driver and surveyor yes, cruddy framerates and occasional freezing when testing stuff and doing a lot of launching from content manager, but automatic database repair is very rare for me.

 

[JCitron]

Hjamm,

Congratulations on your efforts! I told you that you were almost there.

You must've performed the last important step to make everything work. Did you spin around in your chair 6 or 7 times? I can't remember the exact number that makes everything go together.

John

 

[HJAAM]

No John not yet.
When this security thing is back on, the problems start over again.
Turned it off and the problems are gone.

This is a build-in thing from Microsoft security that i must remove from my system.
First find it and try to remove it, and looks how my system is working without it.

If it's working then i can spin around, jump up and down.
But in the mean time.....

To sniper297
Sorry for the short answer. No i have not installed these programs .
And i have said it before that i cleaned ts2009, ts2010 and ts12 like the way you did. Make them as filters because you need them a lot.
Even when consist has updated some assets they come back.
Then you have to filter them again.

I'm sorry for Shane but that open for edit and recommit does not work because all assets has warnings then. And because i dont have the files to correct them (a lot of files came without the files necessary the fix)
So i dont start to fix these files, i delete them or disable them.
That is one of the points i mean to control files before place them in dls.
And that is a job for the woman/man who is controlling the dbase.
Why else to wait in upload for checking the uploads you send?
Or asking to much. If you look how many assets are not working because of missing files. Then i'm asking myself when are those assets be checked before placing them in dls. Nowing that if you place them that ts12 is crashing because of this or at last not working properly.

About the connections, That's why some programs ask what kind of connection you have. (like microsofts update page)
How do those people get there update when it is 200MB like some updates are?
I now i used telephone lines in the past. It takes hours and days to get those big files. And not talking about the costs and interruptions on those (public)lines.

 

[HJAAM]

To sniper.
Maybe something for you to try.
Open up system services.
Look at windows security settings that has to do with internet connections.
Stop those services, get into properties of thee services and change automatic to stop.
Now start ts12 and look how it behave, also surveyor and painting around.
For me it worked.
If not, you have to put these settings back to automatic. You can start them up with the start again button.
It's posible that fore front security program from microsoft that is the problem. Just give it a try, maybe it will help for you to.

HJAAM

 

[JCitron]

HJAMM,

This is an interesting find.

There are alternate products to Microsoft's Internet security. Check out Sunbelt Software Vipre, which is not intrusive. www.sunbeltsoftware.com

This is a very good anti-malware with firewall protection tool. In USD it's about $30.00 for a single computer. They also sell a family pack for multiple machines in the same household.

John

 

[sniper297]

Thanks, looking at that now;

My experience with the built in windows firewall is it don't work very well, and most anti virus software tells you to disable it since it has a tendency to wrestle with other firewalls for control. So I always disable it, problem is when you scan with spybot or malwarebytes they usually flag the windows firewall being disabled as a problem, and if you're not paying attention they will "fix the problem" by enabling it again. Apparently it's on now, no idea how long it's been like that but I'll disable it now and see what happens. Note lower down I have automatic updates disabled, along with all the other fluff that interferes with many computer games.

 

[sniper297]

Other item looking at that;

Background Intelligent Transfer Service

I've always had that disabled because I don't use any of the microsoft junk like internet explorer, MSN, instant messaging or outlook express, does TADDaemon use or try to use that service?

 

[shaneturner12]

No John not yet.
When this security thing is back on, the problems start over again.
Turned it off and the problems are gone.

This is a build-in thing from Microsoft security that i must remove from my system.
First find it and try to remove it, and looks how my system is working without it.

If it's working then i can spin around, jump up and down.
But in the mean time.....

To sniper297
Sorry for the short answer. No i have not installed these programs .
And i have said it before that i cleaned ts2009, ts2010 and ts12 like the way you did. Make them as filters because you need them a lot.
Even when consist has updated some assets they come back.
Then you have to filter them again.

I'm sorry for Shane but that open for edit and recommit does not work because all assets has warnings then. And because i dont have the files to correct them (a lot of files came without the files necessary the fix)
So i dont start to fix these files, i delete them or disable them.
That is one of the points i mean to control files before place them in dls.
And that is a job for the woman/man who is controlling the dbase.
Why else to wait in upload for checking the uploads you send?
Or asking to much. If you look how many assets are not working because of missing files. Then i'm asking myself when are those assets be checked before placing them in dls. Nowing that if you place them that ts12 is crashing because of this or at last not working properly.

About the connections, That's why some programs ask what kind of connection you have. (like microsofts update page)
How do those people get there update when it is 200MB like some updates are?
I now i used telephone lines in the past. It takes hours and days to get those big files. And not talking about the costs and interruptions on those (public)lines.

HJAAM:

The reason that the majority of built-in items come up with warnings is that Images2TGA must be used before recommiting the items. This can be got from http://members.optusnet.com.au/~villaump/pevsoft.htm. There is a tutorial for using Images2TGA at the bottom of that page.

Be aware though, that if you use Windows Vista or 7, Images2TGA must be set to run as administrator.

Also, it needs to be run at least once to set up the Content Manager connections (and the Open With... submenu when right-clicking an asset)

Shane

 

[sniper297]

Actually the best solution for any built in content is revert to original, especially when you get to TS12 where multiplayer sessions won't launch without reverting all built in assets to original.

Anyway, back on the paint freeze, that wasn't it either, windows firewall disabled and background intelligent transfer set to automatic, same lousy performance and stuttering with all sliders set to minimum, same freeze in the paint tool. Dunno if they're related or not.

Changing other tabs from one to another it momentarily increases CPU usage,then drops back down to normal. Note the spikes at left where I changed from objects to splines to track for example. Paint is the only one that increases to 80-90% and stays that high.

Type "ZX" in the window, selection menu is cleared since there are no textures beginning with ZX, CPU usage drops back down to the normal range and stays there. As long as there are no textures showing in the menu list I can use the pick tool to select textures from the ground and paint all day like this. Got even one texture showing in the menu list, after 8 minutes or so it freezes, CPU drops to zero and jumps up to 50% then back down again. If I leave it alone for an hour;

I can watch TADDaemon jumping up to 50%, dropping back to idle, decreasing RAM usage then shutting down and starting back up again over and over and over and over and over while trainz.exe remains frozen. No idea what it's trying to do or if it's caught in a loop, but trainzutil.exe does not start at any time while this is going on. No faulty assets installed, no missing dependencies. Build version isn't relevant, it does this in TS2009 SP4 and every version of TS2010 and TS12.

 

[HJAAM]

To Sniper.
I saw that you use McAfee. Be awere that can be the problem to.
I closed down zonealarm and all went smoother to.
I now that McAfee is very difficult to shut down in that way that in wont interfer with other programs. But just try that one to.

You will see for yourself that ts12 will run smoother without McAfee.

I'll give it a try for my self, and it worked, but ZoneAlarm must stay off.
I have to put it on wen ts12 is closed and totally shut down.

It's the wrong way to handle your security, i now, but for the mean time this is the only way.

You dont let the front door open, when your working at the roof of your house, you close the door.
And thats whats happening here,

 

[martinvk]

My TS12 doesn't have any problem working while ZoneAlarm is active.

ZoneAlarm Extreme Security version: 10.0.246.000
vsmon version: 10.0.246.000
Driver version: 10.0.217.000
Anti-virus engine version: 8.1.8.79
Anti-virus signature DAT file version: 1066555968
ZoneAlarm Browser Security: 1.5.311.0
ZoneAlarm ForceField Spyware Scanner: 1.5.53.235
ZoneAlarm ForceField Anti-Phishing Database: 1.2.104.0
ZoneAlarm ForceField Spyware Sites Database: 04.155

Did you tell it that Trainz is an OK program that needs to "phone home" every so often?

 

[sniper297]

No, one of the tests I did when I first found this problem was to unplug the ethernet cable and completely uninstall McAfee - running with no antivirus or firewall at all it does the exact same thing. I also suspected McAfee since it's so difficult to disable it and get it to SHUT UP about having realtime scanning off, so I uninstalled it, removed all traces of it from my files and the system registry to rule it out. Again, I stripped everything down to bare bones including uninstalling firefox and setting internet explorer as the default browser, uninstalled all .NET Framework modules and reinstalled only 1 and 2 (Trainz will not start at all without .NET Framework 2.0 installed) plus all the XNA and Visual C redistributables. I even tried uninstalling and unplugging Raildriver, and I'd rather live without Trainz than give up my Raildriver. Fortunately that's not the problem, but neither is McAfee.

 

[HJAAM]

To Sniper,
Oke, it looks like your system has a hard time to work with TS12. Well if the options i gave you not work then i'm sorry to say that i cant help in this case.
It's just a mather of trying which config will work for your system. And it could be a very small thing that must be set or unset, but most off the time is not seen. I have that same problem to, because you want it to work.
So hopefully you get that little thing and get it to work.

I found also that i had to set the screensize the same as in windows. Standard in TS12 is 1024 but my nvidia card/driver get sick when it has to change the screen size when this game is running. So i set it to 1280x1024 32bit. My standard in Windows. Then i have no problems

Most of my simulators are working perfect. Ship simulator, truck simulator, digital simulator.

 

[HJAAM]

To MartinvK,
My ZA is set that way that TS12 has full access to and from internet.
Also set the tcp ports open for this program, so i see no problem with that.
In my check programs i see that trainzutil, tadd, and all other programs that run under ts12 have access to and from the internet.

The only thing that happens is that the waiting time from Auran is making problems. So now and then there is a time out from the Auran site not answering. When this happens during consist updates i have to start over again. I have to shut down ts12 complete, wait till cmd is closed and now and then cmd will not close because there is no answer from...
In my control program i see that tadd is waiting to close the connection but dont react, there is no traffic going on that port at that moment. So it keeps waiting. It has to wait to delete the cache files. What normally is done in 5 to 10 sec depend on how much you have change in your dbase.

One other thing i notice is that when crashreporter is running there are emails send. First email with error logs in zip format to the helpdesk.
But there is a second mail that is going to a hotmail adress that is not existing, and send a couple of times. When you look at crashreporter you see that there is an email adress in it from the maker of the program. A german guy.
Every time i get a postmaster reply for none existing adress at hotmail.com send by me, but at the same time crashreporter is sending.
So i dont now what is going on, but that is not good. I cant find any virus, worm or whatever that my system is infected with. I am using Incredimail.
This program makes logs to smtp servers.

[Time: Sat Dec 17 20:29:40.875 Type: Request] RCPT TO: <crashreport@auran.com>

[Time: Sat Dec 17 20:29:41.15 Type: Response] 250 2.1.5 <crashreport@auran.com> recipient ok

[Time: Sat Dec 17 20:29:41.15 Type: Request] DATA

[Time: Sat Dec 17 20:29:41.46 Type: Response] 354 enter mail, end with "." on a line by itself

[Time: Sat Dec 17 20:29:41.328 Type: Response] 250 2.0.0 AKVh1i01u03nyCd04KVhSJ message accepted for delivery

[Time: Sat Dec 17 20:29:41.328 Type: Request] QUIT

Any idea what is going on here?

 

[HJAAM]

Cant drive a train the full route.

Why is't that when i drive a route in TS12 like Bakersfield to Mojave after 20miles, TS12 crashes. And that is in every route i drive.
It's unbelievable that this is happening. Crashreporter appears and ts12 close down.

Trainz caused an Access Violation (0xc0000005)
in module trainz.exe at 001b:0042050d.

Exception handler called in main thread.
Error occurred at 12/19/2011 22:13:28.
C:\TS12\bin\trainz.exe, run by HJA.
Operating system: Windows XP (5.1.2600) xp sp3
4 processor(s), type 586.
52% memory in use.
3328 MBytes physical memory.
1578 MBytes physical memory free.
0 MBytes paging file.
3798 MBytes paging file free.
2048 MBytes user address space.
789 MBytes user address space free.
Read from location 00000004 caused an access violation.

 

[ct_krogen]

Why is't that when i drive a route in TS12 like Bakersfield to Mojave after 20miles, TS12 crashes. And that is in every route i drive.
It's unbelievable that this is happening. Crashreporter appears and ts12 close down.

you have a problem.. i run two copys of 12 and never had a lay out crash on me in the middle.... sounds like a video problem......

 

[martinvk]

A quick test. Create a new route, 21 miles long. Use the same track as in Mojave, same engine, nothing else. Does Trainz crash after 20 miles?