Who's Going to Multi-play?

[mcguirel]

You download them from the DLS. That would seem to be the easiest solution at this stage (and also allows Auran to concentrate on getting multi-player working properly without everything falling down because assets are missing).

Paul

Paul is right for the Beta...................
JadeBullet is right on the final release candidate.....................

3rd Party Assets Resolution: 3rd Party Freeware DLS External Link DL's, and MP Automatic Missing Dependency Deletion if no longer available.

The question unanswerred with Private Server / Routes: Unwarranted Payware Distribution thru Private Servers, thus why I doubt that JadeBullet and I will see such implimentation.

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Just love waiting hours for faulty asset processing on 162,000 assets, N3V. Patch update CM to 3.4 and yet no option to skip as many hoped for.



We all need to place suggestions and viable answers, keep an honest open mind trial of the Beta, and help with the improvements which are justified and feasible.

 

[SUBWAY125]

Just a thought...

Just a thought, could this multiplayer cause problems? Wouldn't someone randomly send the ICE all of the sudden?

 

[al_sa]

I will not multiplay in it's current form. Perhaps if the legacy content is returned and we are allowed to play on something other, then US maps. Or even better, allow multiplayer on all maps with 3rd party content included.

 

[jadebullet]

With the payware, Auran has already stated that something can be worked out. (Though to me this seems like one of those, pay us a bunch of money and you can get your payware into the multiplayer environment.)


I still say that the Valve style download system would probably work the best. (downloads from the server itself whatever is needed. You just can't use it yourself unless you download/buy it. Essentially, it will appear in the multiplayer game, and that is it. You won't be able to use it in singleplayer. Sure, it can take a while to grab everything at times, but it works out in the end.)

And really, if worse comes to worse, and an item can't be found, you can just have it be replaced by a default item. Can't find some loco, it becomes the UP SD40. Can't find a piece of rolling stock? It becomes a boxcar.


The problem with auran's approach to 3rd party content is this. While I do agree fully that auran should focus on getting the core up, then expand, they have made it quite clear that they are not going to do that. They are just going to get the core up, and then do nothing. This wastes alot of potential.

 

[aardvark1]

Actually, businesses exist to do alot of things depending on what department. Financial department is all about shareholders. Accounting is all about profit. Marketing is all about satisfying customers. All of them need to work together to work properly.

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Jadebullet,

A bit of clarification may be needed on your thoughts.

The CEO, CFO and the Board of Directors are all about the ....Shareholders

The Financial Entity works with banks and vendors to secure credit and certify audit reports, etc.

The Accounting Department does NOT make profit... it manages the integrity of data being reported and does the monthly, quarterly, and annual closing of the books... (AKA known as ...bean counting)

Marketing does NOT satisfy customers.... they plan new products and how to sell them to customers, old and new.

Sales and Customer Service departments look for new customers and help satisfy old and new customers with problems.

Unless things have changed drastically since I earned my MBA in Accounting and Finance..... thats how it works.

Since this MP that was delivered to the Public Beta Testers... ON TIME.... why is everyone complaining about what is available in the Public Beta.

If the beta test was open to all the things users want, there would be NO consistency in what was being tested.

This rash of bashing is typical whenever N3V... (Auran to others)....puts something new out. The complaining soapboxes will be worn out...soon(TM).

If you want to play with the beta, do it. If you do not want to play with the beta, do NOT do it.

Again.... it is a...... B E T A TEST.

Have fun and happy testing with what is available to test.

 

[SUBWAY125]

With the payware, Auran has already stated that something can be worked out. (Though to me this seems like one of those, pay us a bunch of money and you can get your payware into the multiplayer environment.)


I still say that the Valve style download system would probably work the best. (downloads from the server itself whatever is needed. You just can't use it yourself unless you download/buy it. Essentially, it will appear in the multiplayer game, and that is it. You won't be able to use it in singleplayer. Sure, it can take a while to grab everything at times, but it works out in the end.)

And really, if worse comes to worse, and an item can't be found, you can just have it be replaced by a default item. Can't find some loco, it becomes the UP SD40. Can't find a piece of rolling stock? It becomes a boxcar.


The problem with auran's approach to 3rd party content is this. While I do agree fully that auran should focus on getting the core up, then expand, they have made it quite clear that they are not going to do that. They are just going to get the core up, and then do nothing. This wastes alot of potential.

Maybe somehow it could automaticly download the item...but with the Blue Comet and other payware from other sites, there may be legal issues .

 

[sniper297]

"trying to get the RW crowd. (Which, judging by their community, they can keep that 20%)"

Amen, I always said it seemed like they handed out free copies of railsim at every mental institution on the planet. :hehe:

Questions before I download;

The removed features are as follows:

• The Scenario menu, and support for operating scenarios.
• "Compatibility" mode.

I've always avoided compatibility mode so that's not a factor, and AFAIK I've never done a "scenario", only "sessions", will sessions with AI traffic still work?

We've had reasonable success with dial-up, although a broadband connection will offer a better experience

I have a cheap DSL connection with about a 4 meg per minute download speed - obviously better than dial-up, but nowhere near as good as cable broadband, anyone tried it with DSL yet? My only real concern is the choice of default routes, them blasted speedtrees really tank my framerates. :n:

 

[barn700]

You dont need high speed, I have 56k dialup and its fine here

D/L and give it a try, Donzer is hosting a session, just jump in and enjoy

 

[dh2k3]

Like stated numerous times the multiplayer is an open beta. If you have beta tested for a company before it is recommended to have multiple installs of the same program so that way one doesn't screw up anything should something go wrong.

It doesn't hurt to have multiple versions of Trainz installed except that it does eat your hard drive space. If you plan on testing the open beta I would highly recommend installing a clean version of TRS2010 patched up to the beta. You can always keep your TRS2010 install and all your content separate from the open multiplayer beta.

 

[barn700]

Correction, there are 5 sessions running right now

Donzer is off to bed

 

[Pencil42]

I still say that the Valve style download system would probably work the best. (downloads from the server itself whatever is needed. You just can't use it yourself unless you download/buy it. Essentially, it will appear in the multiplayer game, and that is it. You won't be able to use it in singleplayer. Sure, it can take a while to grab everything at times, but it works out in the end.)

That's a good idea, but then the person running the map is technically redistributing the content. And, there are people that like to keep their content under a very tight leash (which is, imho, their prerogative.)

What if the map host altered a piece of 3rd party content? Maybe they thought the physics of one of the locomotives could be improved? How would the game know that piece was altered, so it could keep all the clients in synch?

And really, if worse comes to worse, and an item can't be found, you can just have it be replaced by a default item. Can't find some loco, it becomes the UP SD40. Can't find a piece of rolling stock? It becomes a boxcar.

I'm not sure that would work very well. if one person was using different items that the others - especially for functional equipment like rolling stock or industries. If the boxcar replaces a hopper, for example, how would it work when that boxcar tries to load at the coal plant?

While I do agree fully that auran should focus on getting the core up, then expand, they have made it quite clear that they are not going to do that. They are just going to get the core up, and then do nothing. This wastes alot of potential.

From the WIKI: (http://online.ts2009.com/mediaWiki/index.php5/Trainz_Multiplayer)

We consider Trainz Multiplayer to be an ongoing process rather than a final destination- feedback that is given during the Public Beta will be used to help shape the ongoing direction of Trainz Multiplayer after it is released.

 

[ct_krogen]

you bet i will be in there on muilt player

 

[zatovisualworks]

that there is more than just me on Planet Earth.

:wave: Yes, dear Phil, there is. At IBTZ we usually call it "World 1:1". Others prefer to label it as "Real life".

But anyhow and above all,

(It reads: There's not only one Trainz, there's a different Trainz for everyone)

Or...

(It reads: There's a life beyond Trainz) :hehe:

Take care, Phil.

The mottoed side of Alberte :wave:

 

[Deano5]

Jeeez guys, chill.
Give it a go, I've been at it the last 7 hours, it feels great to know that the train passing you and tooting at you is another real person and not AI, it adds such realism to the game knowing that you can't afford to make mistakes in multiplayer like you can against the AI.
My Trainz install is fine and all my files are fine. Nothing is corrupted or erased.
I never thought that I would get this much enjoyment from multiplayer.
Top marks. :wave:

 

[jadebullet]

Jadebullet,

A bit of clarification may be needed on your thoughts.

The CEO, CFO and the Board of Directors are all about the ....Shareholders

The Financial Entity works with banks and vendors to secure credit and certify audit reports, etc.

The Accounting Department does NOT make profit... it manages the integrity of data being reported and does the monthly, quarterly, and annual closing of the books... (AKA known as ...bean counting)

Marketing does NOT satisfy customers.... they plan new products and how to sell them to customers, old and new.

Sales and Customer Service departments look for new customers and help satisfy old and new customers with problems.

Unless things have changed drastically since I earned my MBA in Accounting and Finance..... thats how it works.

Since this MP that was delivered to the Public Beta Testers... ON TIME.... why is everyone complaining about what is available in the Public Beta.

If the beta test was open to all the things users want, there would be NO consistency in what was being tested.

This rash of bashing is typical whenever N3V... (Auran to others)....puts something new out. The complaining soapboxes will be worn out...soon(TM).

If you want to play with the beta, do it. If you do not want to play with the beta, do NOT do it.

Again.... it is a...... B E T A TEST.

Have fun and happy testing with what is available to test.

I was talking about the GOALS and focuses of each department.


And also, getting rid of the legacy items has nothing to do with the B E T A T E S T for Multiplayer.

 

[Azol]

You can love it or hate it, but this is yet another option for all trainzers out there. More options = more fun. Good move, Auran!

 

[mcguirel]

Findings is an additional feature (?) - Sandbox.

• set environment
• set consists
• set commands

Interesting when entering the MP:

Added - Third Interface Screenshot ( See First Class tickets needed paying for this development ) and also saw a Private session under "One Lap" but no clue how it was created.

and one more for good measure (should give those who are curious an idea):

 

[philskene]

It works !~!

Just been in and out of a game.

A couple of notes - it does take a while to update all the assets. Just be patient. You cannot join until this is completed.

It also takes a while to set up the network data when joining a session. It took about 3 minutes for me. Then identify and select a locomotive - I actually found this the most difficult part.

Switches will lock as you approach them. It is speed and distance related. Approach at very low speed and you can change them while almost on top of them. At high speed they lock a long way in front.

 

[Deano5]

It's very impressive for a first beta.

 

[Gandalf0444]

It would be nice if it would even install. Sure let it sit there is always the way to go with auran...but it has been 4 hours...Way to long for a 70MB patch to install...Sorry already taking this as a bad sign. Gotta love it!