Who preordered 2010 wbe?

[RoysTrainz]

ooh my goodness what a shoe size you have?

Unwarranted comment and find it to be rather insulting at the end. My comment was well written, had nothing to do with Free Stuff on the web. I stated a concern. I did not ask for your explanation of what you find to be of "value".

By the way, I am probably much older than you and I conduct myself with poise and restraint (believe me, I wanted to go further with wording, but being part of this forum is more important).

Dear Mcquirel.First it is not and never the intention of insulting you or others. If you older than me (if that's important) you know more than me and if so what's the difference.
Yesterday I stated in this thread I was really happy to see no typical after the great forum crash forum critics or desires. He wake up.

You feel you like for feree things and I just say my opinion IN GENERAL everywhere people love to be folled with for free stuff.
I I step unintentional on your toe we have an old saying like you must have a large shoe size nothing wrong with that right?

Come one get your smile back and don't be so fast offended by absolutely nothing.

It seems like the beginning of the year I proposed a kind of maintenance fee just to lift the quality of service and predictable service and a healthy provider. Man did certain zombies wake up and try to throw trash at me almost like an italian soap opera. It shows how many users with different attitude,education and manners have their say. Yes this is the forum from after the crash. Don't take it to serious.

Te end with please keep this thread dedicated to the purpose of the thread which is 2010 EE did you order too, I hope so.
Supporting Auran is helping us too.

Mcquirel have one on me.

best regards,

Roy:wave:

 

[OldSalt]

nothing' that can't be done here ,, for those with the software and the skill , trainz uses a slightly better method .. IMHO

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While I agree it's just eye candy, that and the birds flying in the sky was great looking. I am more into creating a layout that runs well. Trainz has that hands down as far as the creating part. Since Railworks is really a pain to work with, great for running trains, but so far IMHO, a real up hill learning experience in the creating layout department.

As far as 3rd party goes, well why bother, I see 2010 will only use 2009 stuff. So everything from 2006 and before is useless. I remember when we lost a lot of 3rd party people due to the fact they didn't want to go back and redo all there stuff. So once again we will have a limited number of objects with the new version of Trainz. BTW, I did pre-ordered it.

 

[RoysTrainz]

IMHO we have to give Auran some credit

Oldsalt, while I fully agree on railworks its more than a pain and as such forgot that one. Last year I tested it and created a very complicated Yard near Calgary to say with railworks after testing the portal I throw the towel and never touched it again.
Trainz has tremendous potential but we sometimes go faster than our shadows. We expect everything just to be fine and upwards compatibel regardless what techniques require what basic elements to play with.
The technique as such changes so much that we cannot just expect things to go along all the way and have to cut how painful somewhere, draw a line and move on and grow. Yes its painful and frustrating redoing objects and procedures for a higher purpose 2010 and beyond.
It is already amazing how long this jet engine holds on like a Tford next to a mustang chevy and now the time has come somewhere not to far down the line they have to change that engine........but that is another topic i not want to geto right now.
I am heavily testing my routes with trees from TNM and draw distance 12-25km, free roaming and still not crash and having decent frps(15-25) with a 4loc consist100c64(ocemy) loaded thru the rockies. 2009 is not that bad IMHO.
I am waiting for 2010 with speedtree as it should have an overwelming impact(positive) i hope on the size of a big route like mine. In the worst case i fall back to TNM's concept of tree for very large forests. As soon as Jankvis get his forest trees up and running with good LOD technique I plant them back where they belong.

Roy

 

[itareus]

.....I see 2010 will only use 2009 stuff. So everything from 2006 and before is useless......

Just to clarify.....

2010 will use 2009 (SP4) standards to give compatibility between the versions.

That means that earlier (2006 and before) content will still work but some of it (say 10 percent) will be faulty in 2009/10 so cannot be used in Native mode unless it is repaired either by the author or the end user.

Chris

 

[Scitimar]

and the birds flying in the sky was great looking.

Blackbirds also doable here though personally I find them disturbing ... trainz badly needs shaders and decent lighting , would have the best of all worlds then .

The comment about skinned meshes was more to emphasize the point that it can be done ... trainz is not just limited to the stick figure like anims already produced

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[jhdale65]

Well I said I would not spend any more pension on Auran But I was really sucked in again Ive paid the money and just hope that the hype is true this time and its not just a white wash. Hell what the heck! its only money. Roll on 2010 EE.

Regards Jim

 

[Johnk]

This is NOT a plug for Railworks!

I just visited Railworks for the first time today after reading a few comments in this thread. It looks like a really lovely simulator, but as people here have already said, it comes across as being very difficult to modify. One thing that did impress me was the drawing distance and how steady everything was. On my copy of 2009, the rails disappear into empty space about 5km away, trees pop up out of nowhere and cars appear before your eyes. And I have all my settings pretty high. Maybe my $200 vide card is letting me down, but I don't think so.

There's an interesting review on Amazon. The reviewer mentions that Trains et-al are running on technology invented 8 years ago. That struck a nerve,because still having the first version of Trainz where everything vanished in the haze instead of over the edge (which I absolutely love because that's what happens in real life) many parts of Trainz haven't seemed to change that much. In fact, if you showed the earliest and latest versions of Driver to someone not involved with the evolution of this product, I don't think they would notice any difference.

What I liked about Railworks was that soft environment that many of our best screenshot creators seem to be able to achieve. Call it soft focus or manipulated if you like, but in the real world, comic book sharpness doesn't exist.

My biggest concern with Trainz is that comic book sharp definition plus the fact that everything seems to float. Cars float, trains float and ships almost fly. I didn't notice that with Railworks, but what I did notice was the almost lack of shared content and almost no locomotives, rolling stock or assets in the retail package itself. One mob sells a few addons that quadruple the price of the original product and as mentioned earlier, it seems as though it's almost impossible to make anything yourself.

Having been with Trainz from day one, I support the product because I want it to succeed. Unfortunately it still doesn't ring my chimes but I guess I'll be adding 2010 to my lengthy row of Trainz CD cases for that reason alone.

 

[Scitimar]

it seems as though it's almost impossible to make anything yourself.

It's a fact of life .. the greater the ability of the engine to simulate a more natural envirenment , the more complex the tools and skills required to add the game. ..

O/T .. the other product does have it's fair share of problems and you'll need to use it to find out how bad some things really are.

 

[john259]

On my copy of 2009, the rails disappear into empty space about 5km away, trees pop up out of nowhere and cars appear before your eyes.

In TRS2004 and TRS2006 you can turn up the good weather fog slider to mask that effect. I guess it's the same in TS2009. But of course it's only curing the symptoms not the disease.

John

 

[colhad]

I may purchase it online I think when it comes out. Is there any documentation of the content that will be included or is it pretty much going to be as bare as 2009 was in that regard??.

 

[AndrewofWare]

I hope this is not a silly question. Do I need to buy Trainz 2009 if I want to use Trainz 2010? The website says everything (surveyor and railyard) is included, but I am wondering why it is called the Engineers Edition.

 

[IsambardKingdomBrunel]

Pre-ordered today.

 

[ldowns]

I preordered, based on the fact that lately Auran has recently been putting real effort into multiple issuing service packs (unlike the case with TRS2006 whose single service pack wasn't much more than a good start). I don't expect to actually install it until one or more of said service packs are out, especially with all of the new technology (speedtree, seasons, etc.) being added, but it seems like it's worth the gamble. (And Auran can use the money).

--Lamont

 

[j_maybury]

:n:

Hardly the thing to vote for is it ??? Is'nt that the reason for most complaints i.e. people not following guidlines and screwing any effort Auran make for compatibility ?? . Try doing this in other games and you'll soon find that your items will never work . If using a spell checker and checking syntax is beyond the individuals skill what is the point of building in the first place .... seriously wrong attidtude imo.

:n: :n:

OK for starters, I am not talking about sloppy coding or spelling for that matter, I am talking about Auran's constant shifting of the goalposts as to, what you can and cannot do. With every new build, more and more content becomes broken, and yet it worked fine before!
And as for "people not following guidelines" How can they if Auran keep screwing around with them? (Your words, not mine.)
By all means, lets have a dividing line between the old and the new, but lets not chuck the old stuff out altogether, we don't want to chuck the baby out with the bath water......now, do we?

Ps, look like you could use a spellchecker your self there Bud. :hehe:

 

[martinvk]

On the other hand, without moving the goal posts,we'd be stuck with the same old and nothing new every new version. New features sometimes mean some old techniques will not work any more.

Still, it's pretty amazing that most old objects, some going back to pre UTC can still be used at all.

 

[baz66]

Yes martinvk You are right. Most things do work. If they change the engine, How many of those goodies will we lose?
baz

 

[RoysTrainz]

Martin AZ n Koeman have to move their goalposts too

I agree with you martin most very old stuff still works.
A pity though the stuff from Cyberstorm excellent for my routes the cable cars it gives me trouble in 2009 changing from native to compat mode from time to time then the buildings for the cable car completely dissappear only leaving the cable track. It is still working but so many little annoying things keep popping up makes me feel like tired not be able to spent more time on finishing the route.
The winter games are coming soon in Feb. and i hoped to get part of the route ready but that looks not realistic any more. Maybe 2010 is the miracle version that will surprise us all.

Roy

 

[Scitimar]

OK for starters, I am not talking about sloppy coding or spelling for that matter, I am talking about Auran's constant shifting of the goalposts as to, what you can and cannot do. With every new build, more and more content becomes broken, and yet it worked fine before!
And as for "people not following guidelines" How can they if Auran keep screwing around with them? (Your words, not mine.)

We're covering old ground .... again

.. Not that I don't see your point , I do , and part of the blame lies squarely with Auran , better error checking in the past would have solved a lot of problems now , content that did not conform to standards would not have been allowed to be uploaded to the DLS , and would have saved some pain now .

I see Martin has replied in part , and he's correct , new features and fixes will almost certainly have some affect on what works and how it works in future versions . Lets take a look at FlightSim , I saw the same tired arguments there aswell , people wanted new features and a better engine , when they got what they asked for and found that old toys were not working , they of course blamed Aces ( and I know of another company that will face similar problems in the near future ) ....... So here we are at Auran and the same thing happens .

Ps, look like you could use a spellchecker your self there Bud.

ROFL

Edit ... Yes , pre-ordered , looking forward to the increase in my enjoyment of Trainz

Sci

 

[itareus]

..... Do I need to buy Trainz 2009 if I want to use Trainz 2010? The website says everything (surveyor and railyard) is included, but I am wondering why it is called the Engineers Edition.

No you don't need to buy 2009.

I think the "Engineers Edition" title is due to the fact that Auran promised an "EE" version of 2009, which has been overtaken by 2010. It's just "marketing blurb" so don't worry!

Cheers

Chris

 

[WindWalkr]

"Engineers Edition" reflects the gameplay focus of this edition as compared to the "World Builders Edition" which was focused on enhanced capabilities.

TS2010 is a full product in its own right and not an addon, you don't need a previous TS2009 install.

chris