Well, thanks to the picking and bickering, we've lost a content creator.

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I had a good look at D in a video of a trip he took to a museum in our area. I've done this trip myself, It's at the VERY LEAST 50 miles on a rails to trails. I don't know many folks that can do this in half a day on a mountain bike. I have always had respect for D. The more I learn about him, the more I respect him. I was happy to see he was a young fit man. My friends, I KNOW you would not mention anything about his spelling mistakes to his face!!! Those of you who have tortured him in here....well, I'm pretty sure that if you ran into him in real life, 75% of you would be TRYING to run. The other 25% would just wet their panties and cry! It's so easy to shoot your mouth off in here. I would guess most of us are not that brave in the real world.

Cheers...Rick
 
You... mispelled... feel... Not trying to start anything.

Well, you ARE starting something. Wow. One word. And you are compelled to point it out? For that matter, you misspelled "mispelled". Is there a point to that?




Call me the bad guy, but I've got to say, I agree with Justin. Sure, the guy has a disability, and I'm sorry for that. I've got lots of people in my family with various disabilities. I hate to see a creator go, but honestly, there are bigger issues than dyslexia and misspelling. There was definitely an issue with hostility and anger. Are we expected to look the other way about that too? And if he was in the same situation on the streets, does his disability make it acceptable to knock someone on his a**, but it is OK because he has a disability? (OK, so I'm sure the odds of getting into a confrontation with the Spelling Police and Grammar Nazis are mighty slim in the real world) If a mentally disturbed person runs naked in the street, do we say "Oh, don't worry about it, he's just mentally disabled?" and let it continue? No, because as a society, we have rules and norms that say that behavior like that is not acceptable. While I certainly commend people for battling their disabilities, they still need to do so within the rules of society.

It IS a two way street out there, as has been already pointed out. He has an ignore list the same as we all do. Rather than rising to the bait, he certainly could have ignored the offensive people. I certainly have quite the ignore list going myself. He helped stoke the fires, to be perfectly honest. And really, based on his past behavior, there's no need to worry. He'll be back, and we'll see this repeat itself again.
 
My understanding from what I saw is it was relating to people objecting to the way he spelled words.

there is a difference though to outright attacking him for his bad spelling and him attacking those who simply said "we cannot understand you" which is what he did very often and really makes him no less at fault than anyone else.

It is sad, he had some nice reskins but he certainly got aggressive easily. He's also not really good when it comes to constructive criticism or people helping him

i agree. even a simple question was often met with foul language or attacks from him. disability does not give anyone the right to act that way to others or to break the rules here on the forum.

if he is really leaving i wish him luck but honestly we could do without all of that mess.

Ey, well said. Personally I've never had any issues with others' spelling, and understand this condition that some users have. So long as I get the gist of your message, it's perfectly cool man. What was different in this case is said user behaved as though his disability gave him a free pass to um.. display aggressive and rude behavior, to all the people around him, and for that there is very little excuse.

I completely agree; Having a "disability" is NOT a "pass" on the "rules of the road".
-I am all for offering a helping hand, and providing assistance to those who need it to be "EQUAL" to the "able", but I am sickened by this new mentality that "disabled people" can get away with just about murder, and it's "OK, because they're disabled".


This was something I wanted to make public. I've been a member here for close to 10 years and during all this time, this is the worst I have seen it. Remember, I am a member of the community, and an avid Trainz user in addition to being a moderator. In many other forums, you never see a post from a moderator unless things get sticky.

Yes, Mr. Dragon did get a bit fork-tongued as well, but that happens when someone is put on the defensive and starts fighting back. In the online world we have here we only have written communication which makes communication difficult even with aides.
If he was on the street and was confronted, I'm sure he would have fought back in an other manner.

Thank you guys for understanding. Let's hope things take a different path going forward. It's too bad we've lost a great user and contributor.

John

I am not his friend, nor am I his enemy, (only replied to one of his posts, once, I believe) so maybe I can be a bit impartial here;

The thing is though, "Mr. Dragon" often times STARTED his post with raving and foul language, before anyone replied or commented at all. He was once (for sure) reprimanded, but continued with the foul mouthed rant of how such-and-such was not operating correctly, or somthing-or-other...not related to his "communication disability" one bit. Not once, that I am aware of, was he "sanctioned" for ANY of his CoC violations.

Traffic flows both ways for sure, but if you're outside of the cross-walk and get hit by a car, it is your own fault, no one elses.
-Mr. Dragon has the ability to use the "ignore" function the same as all the rest of us...I know I use it quite a bit lately, and it works.

I don't persoanlly use any of his content, so I have no idea "how talented" he may be, but judging by his Forum participation, I'm not impressed...just my opinion.
 
Ok, as he is (or was, pending confirmation) of MIRI, I feel the need to say this: Yes, he can be a bit "fork-tongued", but who isn't at one point or another? And to further that, I got a message from him over at the MIRI forums which basically said that he felt that everyone was against him because of his dyslexia and had to defend himself. I believe that the comments about it in the first place were what caused him to be like that to people.
 
Ok, as he is (or was, pending confirmation) of MIRI, I feel the need to say this: Yes, he can be a bit "fork-tongued", but who isn't at one point or another? And to further that, I got a message from him over at the MIRI forums which basically said that he felt that everyone was against him because of his dyslexia and had to defend himself. I believe that the comments about it in the first place were what caused him to be like that to people.

Don't matter, it is still NO excuse for breaking the rules. Period.
 
Don't matter, it is still NO excuse for breaking the rules. Period.

What I'm saying is the fact that the people who BROKE the rules before he did which caused him to break the rules to get back. Excuse or not, the people who commented on his English shares some of the fault because this wouldn't have happened if they had just kept their stupid mouths CLOSED.
 
Well, I'm kind of on the fence on this. I'm usually a good speller (apart from typos). After 12 years in college, most of it on college newspapers, I'd probably seem to be rather ana...I mean, uptight about that sort of thing. I can often spot a period on a typed page if it's written in different font than the rest of the text...

So, it may comes as a surprise that poor spelling doesn't bother me. It doesn't. It's not everyone's thing. No biggie.

And I've defended Dragon at least once before, if not more.

But, in fairness to critics of his, there is a not-so-fine line between poor spelling and total gibberish. I'm sure u cna rede this but can u reade thiis? fgiow sd;ha gwqwp qwowegv mkasklfasd qwolefkas DAASKLFASA!

I know dyslexics who are as smart as a whip. Nelson could very well be too. Spelling (or lack of it) is a poor indicator of intelligence, but, at the same time, one does need to be able to get the point across.

*sigh* probably not much of an answer for anybody, just pointing it out.
 
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Please. I'm going to say this nicely, PLEASE QUITE WITH ALL THE BULLIYING AND SUCH ON THIS POST AND OTHER POSTS!!!!! Do we need to really do this?
 
I know, it's sad people can't grow up. and like I said, do we really need to do all of this that is hurting others feelings? Imagine being in there shoe's, would you like to be pushed around and such? Think before you post something mean.
 
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I know, it's sad people can't grow up. and like a said, do we really need to do all of this that is hurting others feelings? Imagine being in there shoe's, would you like to be pushed around and such? Think before you post something mean.

Erm, I'm going to be "that guy" who points this out, but you really shouldn't talk, seeing as you are quick to point out spelling mistakes.

http://forums.auran.com/trainz/show...-lost-a-content-creator&p=1191447#post1191447
 
Get off the grass I have dyslexia, in fact I am legally literate and its no excuse it does mean you have to work harder to get your message across and be careful with spelling and punctuation as well. I find the idea that he is using dyslexia as a cop out very annoying it should be something that makes you strive to better and improve yourself not an excuse for failure.

Content creation is also for some silly reason very cut throat, hay I even had death threats in my email, compared to some of the poo chucked my way
Dragon has got off easy.

As to the bullying get over it - we living in a society built on power struggles and around the basis that someone is always going to have power over you. Teachers have power over you - bosses have power over you, police have power over you , courts have power over you, get over it people and move on.
 
Get off the grass I have dyslexia, in fact I am legally literate and its no excuse it does mean you have to work harder to get your message across and be careful with spelling and punctuation as well. I find the idea that he is using dyslexia as a cop out very annoying it should be something that makes you strive to better and improve yourself not an excuse for failure.

Content creation is also for some silly reason very cut throat, hay I even had death threats in my email, compared to some of the poo chucked my way
Dragon has got off easy.

As to the bullying get over it - we living in a society built on power struggles and around the basis that someone is always going to have power over you. Teachers have power over you - bosses have power over you, police have power over you , courts have power over you, get over it people and move on.
+1 (ten characters) EDIT: Well, well well, 400 Posts....
 
I never saw much bickering about his spelling, but I could've just not been looking in the right places.
What I mostly saw was him not taking constructive criticism well and quickly becoming aggressive to those offering any advice on how to better his models. Even small off-hand remarks seemed to tick him off rather explosively.
Still, there's no excuse for bullying and rudeness.

Although, a person's reaction to the bickering and bullying sticks with witnesses more than the fact that they were being bullied at all.
 
John you are right in saying these forums have seen better days, but then moderation was a lot tighter with far more mods on the ground in the past.

Dragon chose to leave, no one drove him to it, Full stop

On this I am sorry we do not see eye to eye and really do not feel it was a mods place to start this thread.

I have been on/with trainz and the forum from almost day one, and this is just another dummy spit, there has been many of them over the years and more to come.

With all your picking and bickering and poking, you've driven away a long time contributor to the Trainz community. Dragonharh is no longer with us. He pm'd me yesterday and has stated he is gone. Never here anymore - you guys won your battle. He was picked on one time too many and lost it. To tell you the truth, I would leave too after being treated that way. We know he has spelling issues. I discussed this with him privately and he has tried the spell checkers and other tools available, but due to the severity of his dyslexia, his spelling is beyond what a spell checker can repair. This is a sad position to be in as it affects not only hobbies such as Trainz but also work and education. I know because my brother-in-law has the same condition. He's a hard worker but cannot get ahead because of his disability. This has left him at a disadvantage as to what kind of job he can do, and this of course affects other aspects of his life both socially and economically.

We have to remember that no one is perfect in this imperfect world. We all have faults and issues and we need to accept those faults of others just as we face our own. This is not just an international community but is also one made up of people from all ages, income levels, and abilities. There are some people here who are retired. Others are terminally ill, while other have disabilities, and also others with disabilities so severe that they are confined to a wheelchair or bed. They are here to enjoy the virtual railroading just like the rest of us. Learning to accept others and their disabilities is part of maturity and growing up, and apparently there are some people around here who haven't learned that part of life yet.

This was once a community to be proud of and one that I enjoyed being a member of, however, as of late this place is no longer as enjoyable as it used to be. We need to work together to bring this community back to where it was once before. Accept others as we accept ourselves. Using the internet and usernames to badger others because of your own insecurities only reflects the real person you really are, and only leads to an environment that is no longer enjoyable to be in.

John
 
I never saw much bickering about his spelling, but I could've just not been looking in the right places.
What I mostly saw was him not taking constructive criticism well and quickly becoming aggressive to those offering any advice on how to better his models. Even small off-hand remarks seemed to tick him off rather explosively.
Still, there's no excuse for bullying and rudeness.

Although, a person's reaction to the bickering and bullying sticks with witnesses more than the fact that they were being bullied at all.

The "not taking constructive criticism well" was based off of people not keeping their mouths shut about his spelling. They then post again to try and help him, and he goes off because they technically insulted him.
 
I believe that on the forum we are effectively deaf, dumb and blind people with only one means of communication. We can't see, hear or feel the subtle indications of others problems which would normally temper our reaction to perceived faults.

How can we overcome this barrier? Should there be some indication of of a posters limitations so that something like dyslexia is not mistaken for a poor education standard. While I did not interact with Dragonhar, he made some nice models and it is a pity that he was forced out because he was 'different'

Peter
 
Ok, thread closed.

A few things that need to be pointed out.

First there is fault on both sides of this. Dragonharh has recently broken several rules, some of which would normally see a person receive a lengthy ban (or permanent ban) from the forums. However, in this case, only an infraction was applied. Other members have been warned or received infractions for their actions where their actions were in breach of the code of conduct.

We have been monitoring this situation for quite some time, as there has been inappropriate behavior from both sides.

Regards
 
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