VIDEOING YOUR ACTIVITY

bushymo

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How many of you have actually connected your computer up to a DVD recorder (like a VCR) and videoed your trainplay while you are using TRS?... I have... and while I do have some permanent edited video footage on DVD of what I have done, i did find the resolution of the scenery to be a tad blurred, that may be due to the fact that TRS was orginially made as just a train sim, and going back to TRS 2004, it was never really intended to be a sim that one could get a lovely clear picture of the scenery around you as you were driving...
Neverthless I do have an edited DVD of some of my action, and that there is also a program around called FRAPS, frame rate app software, that sits in your computer and allows you to capture your action
 
Q1)How many of you have actually connected your computer up to a DVD recorder (like a VCR) and videoed your trainplay while you are using TRS?
Q2)There is also a program around called FRAPS, frame rate app software, that sits in your computer and allows you to capture your action

Q1 Answer)No, and i doubt many people would have.
Q2 Answer)If you are reasonably knowledgeable about Trainz, maybe you could make tutorial videos? Would have been helpful when i started using Trainz. (for instance cabin mode, took me ages to figure that one out myself!)
 
No. not tutorial videos, video DVD's of actual train sequences, ie shunting, running from location to location on a layout or a small collection of your layouts that you have created...

I did one last year, and now have it to sit back and watch on my DVD player, that would look fantastic on a large LCD or Plasma TV...

Basicaillly all you need to do is connect your laptop or desktop to a VCR type DVD recorder using the S Video Connection for your video output, and taking the sound from your sound card to the audio in connections on the back of your DVD recorder, then sit down and play with the sim as if you would normally do, but have your remote control of your DVD recorder handy so that you can operate the DVD recorder when you are ready to run a train/trains...

You will need to make sure you have your video card ie aTI or nVida set so that you get the same picture on your TV as you are currently seeing on your computer, once having got that set up... its all fun from there on, and you have a DVD record of some of your train play on TRS...

I had that all nicely working on my old computer, but haven't goten around to getting my laptop set up to do that yet.. I have only just bought it a month or so ago, and have been putting it through its paces in terms of general performance..

It can be done! I am one person who likes to try these things to prove that it can be done. it only takes a little bit of knowhow to get it working

it is something now that I can either put in, sit back and watch or show someone what I have done...

I was using TRS 2004 at that time last year before I got TRS 2006 Give it a try... If You don't have a full version (non shareware) copy of FRAPS (Framerate Application Software) on your computer, that is an ideal alternative method.
 
Hey
your idea has merit, but some of us are already doing something similar, I guess :cool:

Most large screen LCD TV's have a digital in video plug on the back. I simply take my laptop to the lounge, plug it into the Big Screen and run trainz up on the wall. My screen has a 5 ms rating and trainz looks spectacular. It took a while to figure out how to wire it, but my DVD recorder is now able to record to HD what the computer puts up on the screen :wave:
This overcomes the jerkiness of fraps video. I can then bring it back onto my computer via USB and run it through Pinnacle to edit it. Will find the time to do that one day I guess.
But as far as a demo of Trainz is concerned, Big Screen is the way to go!!
Cheers
Rod
 
One Main Problem, or two

I was editing some of the stuff I had already recorded, but found that I only got what I could best describe as a 4:3 type picture in the middle of my widescreen TV. I then went to see if one of my editing programs like Adobe Premiere Elements or Ulead DVD FActory for Toshiba, a basic version of the real program made for Toshiba laptops, and found that while I could convert that to 16:9. I still only got a 4:3 type ascpet in the middle of my screen with the black border around it.... I think one really has to start with a 16:9 video orginal from a camera or something to get proper widescreen reproduction... if you start with a 4:3, the best you will get even if you do al the right things is still going to be a slightly reduced 4:3 imag.

The other problem I had was that I got a lott of judder and stuttering, even though there wasn't much stuttering or juddering in the DVD's that I had recorded.... this seems to suggest that these two programs are not suitable for this kind of editing, (from VOB files that come from importing from a DVD that you have already recorded and want to edit
 
Webcam

Would a webcam work for your application...how would you record it, and share it on the web ? What programs would help link it to the forum ? I bet the answer is right in front of us...like the VCR/DVD recorder technique. :confused: Once you have an edited DVD of your Trainz show...how do you share a DVD on the web, how would you link it ? YouTube???
 
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I was editing some of the stuff I had already recorded, but found that I only got what I could best describe as a 4:3 type picture in the middle of my widescreen TV. I then went to see if one of my editing programs like Adobe Premiere Elements or Ulead DVD FActory for Toshiba, a basic version of the real program made for Toshiba laptops, and found that while I could convert that to 16:9. I still only got a 4:3 type ascpet in the middle of my screen with the black border around it.... I think one really has to start with a 16:9 video orginal from a camera or something to get proper widescreen reproduction... if you start with a 4:3, the best you will get even if you do al the right things is still going to be a slightly reduced 4:3 imag.

The other problem I had was that I got a lott of judder and stuttering, even though there wasn't much stuttering or juddering in the DVD's that I had recorded.... this seems to suggest that these two programs are not suitable for this kind of editing, (from VOB files that come from importing from a DVD that you have already recorded and want to edit

I don't know if it has much to do with it, but I already run (when it works :( )
Trainz on a widescreen Monitor. I just played the DVD back and noticed that I have a black 2 inch wide black edge on the left hand side of the big screen.
So perhaps thats why I get the 16:9 screen I think it is 1380 by 1169 (TV) perhaps I need to reset trainz to match the TV?
Anyway I will jump back in and have another olay with it when I have more time
Cheers
Rod
 
I don't know if it has much to do with it, but I already run (when it works :( )
Trainz on a widescreen Monitor. I just played the DVD back and noticed that I have a black 2 inch wide black edge on the left hand side of the big screen.
So perhaps thats why I get the 16:9 screen I think it is 1380 by 1169 (TV) perhaps I need to reset trainz to match the TV?
Anyway I will jump back in and have another olay with it when I have more time
Cheers
Rod

Hi Rod,

This may have to do with the initial recording of the video. In Australia, do you use PAL or NTSC format.

http://www.ict4e.net/wiki/Pixel_Aspect_Ratio

http://www.michaeldvd.com.au/Articles/PALvsNTSC/PALvsNTSC.asp
 
Yeah Australia followed the mother Country so we use Pal :hehe:
and thanks for the stuff I wiill check it out
Cheers
Rod
 
JUDDER HAPPENS AFTER EDITING DVD

Just a bit of a correction and clear up on that Comtrain, the Judder happens when you play back a DVD of what you have previously recorded onto your DVD recorder, then having taken the disk or disks of trainz action that you have done initially and gone to edit out all the bad bits, mistakes, derailments etc on your computer using Adobe Premiere Elements, Ulead Video Studio or Video Factory, (Whatever softwware you usually use), put titling on it, tell the viewers where your train is coming into ie. Freight Approaching Marias Pass.

You take your nicely finished and fully edited DVD back to your DVD player, to watch your polished product on your widescreen TV, and then.... Oh No! That looks horrible1... it's all shaky, and the juddering of the consists looks terrible...

This may be a fault of your software program:... I did one using Adobe Premiere Elements 4, and after I had viewed an impromptu untitled copy of what I had done, I was very disppappointed with the result... thinking..."Gee Welll! I can forget about THAT Idea!...

Last night I used Ulead Video Factory for Toshiba, and there was hardly any juddering at all in the editing stage, but then I lost all the work I did, but at least I can say that my light edition of Ulead Video Factory (that comes as a kind of OEM with the Toshiba Laptop for use with Vista, gave a much better result...

It was getting rather late last night when that happened, so when I get more time to do it properly I will get right into it...

As for the Aspect Ratio, one MUST! start with a 16:9 original to get proper widescreen viewing, because even if you do choose to convert a 4:3 into a 16:9 for widescreen, I have found from experience that it just doesn't work, and you do get that border right around your slightly shrunken 4:3 aspect picture...

I know... because I have tried to do the same with videos that I have done with a video camera and realized that I had forgotten to select 16:9 before shooting, thinking that I could doctor that up later by converting it to 16:9....

So I can say that the same goes for anything that you try to convert from 4:3 to 16:9....you get this smaller picture and it is just not a patch on the big wide screen view...

We must also bear in mind that up till now, all of our computer monitors have been traditionally made for 4:3 viewing, and while there are several wide screen monitors on the market now, much of the media content that you see is still 4:3... I have been noticeing lately that Bold and The Beautiful and other TV shows have always been filmed in 4:3, and even if you do have a widescreen TV, you will find that this and other shows still appear in the old 4:3 aspect...

It is only the newer more recent episodes of many of our TV shows that are not 'repeats' from Hollywood are now being done in widescreen...and we will get to a point soon where all new TV content is filmed in 16:9, and that the traditional old square box picture will be phased right out...

Our Train Sim is also meant to be played with, and viewed in 4:3... so that is why when we go to try and convert it to 16:9, it looks lousy on a widescreen tV... We are still trying to convert something that while the software program will allow us to in theory, it does not work in reality...

i don't profess to know everything about aspect ratio, but I have come up against this annoying problem in other areas of videoing and editing, and have been disappointed with the results and have asked myself... OK! What went wrong there?...Why didn't that fill the screen?... and it all comes down to the fact that we are still playing around with 4:3... like comparing the old Windows 3.1/95/98 etc to Vista... or like comparing 32 bit with 64 bit, and we realize that we are in this transition between the old standard and the new, and we are trying to make the old come up to scratch with the new standard... and wondering why it dain't work like we expected it to..
 
Thanks Bushymo,
I think you got it down exactly right, mate! Can't argue with anything there.
And I used Ulead Video 7 Lite too, as I don't have a copy of Adobe Premiere.
Cheers
Rod
 
If you could only see....

:cool: Gosh!

Pass a train, then see it elswhere on the route a hundred feet above your level on another line on the other side of a river, from the controls of another train............!

I do this for FUN!:hehe:
 
Thanis Rod

From where I am coming from, I have thought it would be a great idea if I could video some of my trainz sessions then edit out all the mistakes and make a kind of movie out of the best of it and be able to sit down and watch the fully titled movie and relax... one good thing about that is that even though you have put a fair bit of work and time into the editing, you can watch the movie without getting crashes and error messaages come up on your widescreen TV, and the real beauty of it is too that you don't get Unable to register trainz URL registry key or Trainz cannot find your profile or you don't have a valid serial number... when watching your finished movie product and it is relaxing too...:)

After having all the trouble in the world with TRS 06, and Vista and getting those two very frustrating error meessages keep coming up, I ditched 06, and have ordered TRS 09... I haven't got it yet, but hope that when I do get it in a week or so's time I don't get the same problems with it that a lot of people here are having...

its all a matter of trial and error but we do get better at doing it

To back myself up a bit, I also ordered TC3, and the SP1 for TRS 2009.
These two very annoying problems are really something that Auran are really going to have to sit down and have a good look at and eliminate, because a lot of us are getting these two main error messages or other unwanted events come up...

My copy of TRS 2006 was running perfect for about two weeks after I installed it, and Then!... little problems started creeping in, I began to find that my 2100's and other paintshed items were not available in Surveyor, and then all of my own reskins and changed locomotives began to become unavailable... I thought...Well! Time I got and registered this, and the whole thing mainlly in the CMP just began to 'shut up' on me to a point where I could only use inbult content, even after I had registered my serial number in Planet Auran...

I posted on the forum and felt that I wasn't getting anywhere, so eventually after reaching a dead end stage, I took TRS 06 off, found a convenient box to put it in, ditched it, and went on to order TRS 09...in the hope that imight be one of the lucky ones this time to not have any problems at all, and then maybe I can get on and do some more Trainz movies like I have been doing, though I must point out to you that all of the work I have been editing were done and played with back in 2007, and that I had about 10 DVD disks in a box that I had been trying to get around to editing and turning into some kind of movie...like the one I did back in 2006.

Adobe Premiere has got a lot of interesting effects and titling options, but in saying that, it does tend to leave very little memory headroom for actual working energy, in that it being crammed with features, all of your working memory is taken up by features... so when you are relying on getting a nice smooth motion, things come out rather jerky, jumpy, heistant, and you are left feeling that you have wasted your time using it...and you realize that perhaps you should try another program, and this was where I went to Ulead DVD Factory (for Toshiba) the OEM thing you get when you buy a Toshiba laptop...

My latest experience however revealed that when I had taken my exports from Ulead back into Premiere, and reindered it down a couple of times to try and eliminate the jerkiness, and having done so with moderate success, the second half of the movie had no sound...

Therefore I think it is very important to minimise the number of times you render your movie, because the more times you try to render your movie to smoothen it, the quieter the soundtrack becomes until you find you have not soundtrack volume at all...

I did find that Ulead, even though it is simpler, tended to be rather fiddly, and I ended up losing my work, because while you are doing your 'multi-trim in Ulead, you can't save your stages so that if your computer locked up you could go back and resume from where you were before, You can't save your work until you get to burn your movie on to DVD or make what Ulead call a disk image...

I ended up having to go back to start and do my multi trim again, this time with different trainz, then when I had exported my movie clips to use them in Premiere, I did at least have the saved exports... this is where I thoiught I could get away with rendering it, bringing the 'untitled' back into the oranizer in APE, takng the rendered movie back down to the time line, re rendering that to eliminate a bit more of the jerkiness. the first half was OK, but when I took the DVD to play it in my DVD recorder to my TV...Uh!... Oh Dear! Er!... What happened?... where's the sound?... No sound!...

The advantage of APE is that it allows you to render and save your movie to a playable file on your hard drive, or to burn to disk later, and it is here that you can choose PAL/NTSC dolby widescreen, that does give you pretty close to a widescreen result...but you do still get a little border around it...

You live and you learn...

Often though we find that we need to use two software programs to get the right result, because while one program is good at being simple and doesn't use so many resources to kill your RAM memory cache reserve, the other more complex program has the features you like using and you feel more comfortable using the second one... but in doing that, you often find that a. your finished result may end up being a reduced size 4:3 if you don't get it right or b. your soundtrack comes out very quiet...

Idealy, it would be very nice to be able to do it all using one software program that is going to iron out all of your jerks and juddering, and give you the latitude to really do a professional looking production too... there is no perfect all in one software program that does it all, and one still feels the need to use two software programs...

I think I will probably leave this one as it is now and waint until I get TRS 09 and do some more and learn from what I have just experienced
 
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