norfolksouthern37
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who needs default stuff anyhow. 
Using EMD engine specs/engine sounds in GE locomotives
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who needs default stuff anyhow.
Exactly.
I run mostly JR locomotives on my routes.
John
The sounds on YouTube or other video sources are not clear enough for proper engine sounds. Usually the video-audio track is highly compressed and it also is severely clipped because the recording levels are too high. This causes a lot of distortion. People have used video recordings for whistles, horns, and bells, and they sound like they're from really bad recordings.
The other issue, which has already been mentioned is copyrights. You need permission from the original video creator to extract sounds from his work, Even though a work, whether it is a video, film, 3d model, or picture is presented in public, the original author still retains the ownership. Copying or using someone else's work without permission is considered a copyright violation.
So unless the sounds already exist, or you want to use your own, it is what it is.
John
I'm not quite sure if you recorded a horn or engine sound off of Youtube, and used it for a TRAINZ locomotive, that anyone would recognize it and sue you. That sounds very far fetched. Who in their right mind would want to spend thousands of dollars for a lawyer to take anyone to court on something like this. Oh, sure, I know there's common courtesy and all that, not using someone's video sounds, but it would be nearly impossible IMHO for anyone to recognize and say, "Hey, that horn on that Trainz GP38-2 is off a video I took five years ago! I'm gonna SUE their butts for all it's worth!"
If it was an original music composition or a video and used in a TV ad or the like, then sure that might be worth suing someone over, but an obscure sound from a passing locomotive, I just can't see how a judge would rule that the guy who made the video "owns" that sound.
Ouside of common courtesy to the videographer, I can't see any reason not to use a sound off Youtube for Trainz. Just my own opinion from the facts I have presented in this post.
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I know this, and understand all of that. I mentioned Youtube simply for the fact that it was mentioned that someone said people in some parts of the world have no idea what a GE and EMD sounds like in real life. So I said to go Youtube to compare the two. I didn't say go there and take the sounds off Youtube or to steal anyone's copyrights. I don't understand where you're getting that at. I cannot stress it anymore clearly, or stress it enough- The sounds/specs already exist on the DLS but they aren't being utilized the creators. .
norfolksouthern37
what's a normal map?
but what you really mean to say is that they are not being used all of the time. there are plenty of items that do have decent sounds and specs. if they dont, you can always change them yourself.
You are right. It's just common courtesy. Of course someone wouldn't recognize their sound in a Trainz model!
But then just because someone sees something online, in many cases, they feel it's okay to take it because it's in public view. This happens all the time. A few friends of mine in the storm chasing industry have had their works stolen, doctored, and then attributed to someone else. It gets a bit hairy sometimes, so it's best to err on the safe side.
John
dragonharh
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I agree with you as well With my models are all custom made and sometimes its imposable to get the real sounds for that project so you have to make due with what you get. way I see it if you don't like the way it sounds then fix it or don't download it I spent hrs on hrs making it and building a model Expl: take my DPR models there all custom made and if I can find the right sounds for the unit I'm working on I'll add it if I can't I'll make due with what I can find. There an old saying that goes "don't anger a house builder whos building your house"
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You do understand that most of the content authors say in their configuration files that the content may not be changed or modified. So what gives?
For your own use on your own computer it's fine. Just don't share the assets or upload them to the DLS.
John
who needs default stuff anyhow.
There's still stuff as payware that have default cabs but I know that you guys are getting around to fixing that.
dragonharh
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You completely misunderstood everything I said I'm a custom modeler so I build my own stuff you shod read my freeware TOS I have strict rules about this kind of topic http://dragonspikerailrouteworks.freeforums.org/terms-of-service-t54.html I would look real bad to breach my own TOS wen it points out many times that you need authors permission before you upload anything!
Hope that clears up your misunderstanding.
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norfolksouthern37
what's a normal map?
You know you still have not given an example of what files are bothering you for anyone to guide you to a solution. Do you really want an answer or you just want to complain about content creators?
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cascaderailroad
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Now ... now ... Changing an engine sound should not have created such hostilities
They are easily changed by the end user
Might I sugest that you post YouTube videos, or model railroad sound effect examples of what engine sound that you are looking for:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2CbCn9slGc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkQLRCvrlt4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgv2HKtwHj4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdwszmFG8vM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFRjjejI6t4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMhSRP7RBpo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJNNUbKpZRw
They are easily changed by the end user
Might I sugest that you post YouTube videos, or model railroad sound effect examples of what engine sound that you are looking for:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2CbCn9slGc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EkQLRCvrlt4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgv2HKtwHj4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdwszmFG8vM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFRjjejI6t4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMhSRP7RBpo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJNNUbKpZRw
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ryanstrains
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Regarding the sound problem, it's harder than it looks to make a good quality sound set, however, they are out there and all it takes to change it is a copy paste in the config file. I don't see why this has turned into such a big deal.
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ZecMurphy
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Hi All
I have removed a large number of entirely off-topic posts from this thread. Please keep on topic, and refrain from making personal attacks against other members.
As to enginesounds and enginespecs, please keep in mind that some models may be extremely old. Some may pre-date appropriate sounds and enginespecs being available, or the creator may simply not have realised there were appropriate sounds available. If the content is a recent release (last couple of years), a polite message to the creator with a suggestion on which enginesound to use, may see the locomotive updated. OTOH, the creator may simply not wish to change it, which is their choice, particularly where freeware is concerned.
Regards
I have removed a large number of entirely off-topic posts from this thread. Please keep on topic, and refrain from making personal attacks against other members.
As to enginesounds and enginespecs, please keep in mind that some models may be extremely old. Some may pre-date appropriate sounds and enginespecs being available, or the creator may simply not have realised there were appropriate sounds available. If the content is a recent release (last couple of years), a polite message to the creator with a suggestion on which enginesound to use, may see the locomotive updated. OTOH, the creator may simply not wish to change it, which is their choice, particularly where freeware is concerned.
Regards
Sorry I have not used this forum for a while, and with good reason. It is bad when someone from Auran has to come in and delete personal attacks. I have no plans to single out any certain items or members as that will just create more backlash. I just made a post on here earlier about wanting to work together with a creator to make some locomotives. No answers. Keep on keeping on, guys.
KingConrail76
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You will have a hard time finding a Content Creator to "work with you", when you make posts un-duely critisizing said Content Creators choices and selections of dependencies.
There has been a LOT of "calling out" the Content Creators here lately, between your "sounds" thread, and someone else's "Thumbnail" thread, and the other thread about "Descriptions"...
--All I can say is: If you think you can do a better job, then DO IT!.
If you have better sounds, document them (KUID:, Name, Etc.), and send a note to the Original Creator to ask if they agree those sounds might be better.
-If you want a thumbnail, or description for something that don't have one, Take a picture, and write a description, then send that info to the original creator...offer your assistance rather than your COMPLAINING...
---Then, you might have a snow ball's chance of getting someone to "work with you".
Not exactly sure why you have taken offense. I've downloaded your Conrail U18B loco and it did actually have the RIGHT engine sounds. The GE 7FDL-12. I was very fond of your work even though I've now lost respect for you because of this post.
ryanstrains
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I don't think he meant in directly at you, there has been all sorts of stuff from a variety of users wanting this or that. What he was trying to point out is that if you (entire community) would help give the exact info to the creators, stuff would get done faster. Content creation can feel like a game you'll never win if people keep complaining and are never happy.
I personally think the entire community would get along better if everyone understood what it takes to make an asset, and it's just a game, not the end of the world. The goal of the game is to enjoy it.
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