U.S. Presidential Train Screenshots.

I am starting this thread to show off your screenshots of the Presidential Train. Before Air Force One, the Presidents traveled by train. Use your imagination and be creative, they do not have to be prototypical. You can be prototypical if you want. I will start.


















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Here's an idea for different background to the presidential trains: Track 61, Grand Central Terminal, in the basement of the Waldorf-Astoria. No cheering crowds, but lots of security...
 
Here's an idea for different background to the presidential trains: Track 61, Grand Central Terminal, in the basement of the Waldorf-Astoria. No cheering crowds, but lots of security...

I do know about Track 61. That was FDR's private track at the Waldorf Astoria, presumably his private car is still there.


 
It is actually not FDR's private car, it is just an old MNCR maintenance of way baggage car. They just happened to park the car there several years ago, and then the great rumor began.
 
It is actually not FDR's private car, it is just an old MNCR maintenance of way baggage car. They just happened to park the car there several years ago, and then the great rumor began.
With 1inch armor plating and 3 inch bullet proof glass? I have a friend that works at GST. When I was in NYC a few years ago I got to go down and look at the car. It really does have armor plating and 3 inch thick glass. I'm not starting an argument, I was just curios as to why? I also started this thread to discuss Presidential trains.

 
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With 1inch armor plating and 3 inch bullet proof glass? I have a friend that works at GST. When I was in NYC a few years ago I got to go down and look at the car. It really does have armor plating and 3 inch thick glass. I'm not starting an argument, I was just curios as to why? I also started this thread to discuss Presidential trains.

Didn't mean to start an argument or disagreement! But just speculating from the evidence presented (can't see the video)...

- The configuration of the car in the photo looks to me like a baggage-RPO combine rather than a straight baggage car (the far door looks kinda narrow for baggage).

- If it were, in fact, an express-RPO combine for high-value shipments, the armoring would make sense.

- OTOH, if you wanted to move the president or other VIP confidentially (for example, early Cold War, the designated Cabinet member for a worst-case scenario, or FDR to his doctor before his illness was admitted) what better cover than an express-RPO? It's at the head end, easily switched in and out with the mail and storage cars; nobody notices them (except someone who's hoping to steal a couple tons of bullion from the express car - a good secondary cover for being closed-mouthed about that one).

- On the third hand, the car in the pic might be (or have been) an actual high-value express car: the Adams Express siding was very close by.

Any markings on that car other than the small white-checker? Looks like Pullman green - could easily skin an express-RPO to represent it plus, perhaps, a dormitory car for the Secret Service detachment. "Pullman" would be a likely side lettering, whatever it is today, though Adams Express or REA-USPO would also make sense. Wouldn't want to draw attention with "US ARMY" or the like!
 
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Didn't mean to start an argument or disagreement! But just speculating from the evidence presented (can't see the video)...

- The configuration of the car in the photo looks to me like a baggage-RPO combine rather than a straight baggage car (the far door looks kinda narrow for baggage).

- If it were, in fact, an express-RPO combine for high-value shipments, the armoring would make sense.

- OTOH, if you wanted to move the president or other VIP confidentially (for example, early Cold War, the designated Cabinet member for a worst-case scenario, or FDR to his doctor before his illness was admitted) what better cover than an express-RPO? It's at the head end, easily switched in and out with the mail and storage cars; nobody notices them (except someone who's hoping to steal a couple tons of bullion from the express car - a good secondary cover for being closed-mouthed about that one).

- On the third hand, the car in the pic might be (or have been) an actual high-value express car: the Adams Express siding was very close by.

Any markings on that car other than the small white-checker? Looks like Pullman green - could easily skin an express-RPO to represent it plus, perhaps, a dormitory car for the Secret Service detachment. "Pullman" would be a likely side lettering, whatever it is today, though Adams Express or REA-USPO would also make sense. Wouldn't want to draw attention with "US ARMY" or the like!

I
do know that one of the doors on the car is big enough to get an(FDR's) armored (By Al Capone) 1928 Cadillac 341A Town Sedan in and out of.
FDR's Train: B&O 748 - Automobile-baggage (side loaded)
Southern Railway - Baggage car
Imperator - Pullman used as dormitory for crew
B&O 1401 - Baggage, converted by Army Signal Corps to a communications car
Clover Pasture - Pullman (8 Sec - 5 DBR)
Hillcrest Club - Pullman (8 Sec - Dining Lounge)
Glen Doll - Pullman (3 DR - 6 Cpt.)
Wordsworth - Pullman (3 DR - 6 Cpt.)
Southern Railway 3155 - Dining Car
Ferdinand Magellan - Presidential private car
 
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Absolutely fascinating story! I love the idea of FDR having his own bullet-proof train to convey him to a secret entrance below the Waldorf Astoria hotel. Rather more dramatic than our somewhat staid Royal trains here in the UK!

Paul
 
This is just to provide some more info about the car (and also to address some questions). (Again not trying to start any sort of enraged argument:))

This car started out as a PRR B70b (or B70a) baggage-mail-express car (which was converted from a BM70K passenger coach in the mid-1940's, and considering it is a heavyweight car, they tend to be big hunks of steel in the first place). It was later passed on to the PC in 1968, where after it was bought by the Metro North in the 1970's (or early 80's). The Metro-North took the car and painted it deep blue and gave it the markings MNCX 002 (MNCX technically stands for Minnesota Corn Processors, but it is a Metro North car). It was used on MOW Trains until 1998 or so, when it was thereby shoved onto the illustrious Track 61 (which I will admit was once used by FDR (or at least so I think, and as a result, this is probably where this whole thing came from)), where is has remained.


I have a question though, do you think that some people confuse this car with the Ferdinand Magellan? (I ask as this car was associated with FDR)



To relate to the original purpose of the thread, I do like your recreation of the Ferdinand Magellan, considering I have never really seen anyone do it before. (I would recommend shrinking the lettering a bit as is seems a little large.)
 
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Absolutely fascinating story! I love the idea of FDR having his own bullet-proof train to convey him to a secret entrance below the Waldorf Astoria hotel. Rather more dramatic than our somewhat staid Royal trains here in the UK!

Paul

He arrived in NYC that way to hide the fact that he had polio.
 
This is just to provide some more info about the car (and also to address some questions). (Again not trying to start any sort of enraged argument:))

This car started out as a PRR B70b (or B70a) baggage-mail-express car (which was converted from a BM70K passenger coach in the mid-1940's, and considering it is a heavyweight car, they tend to be big hunks of steel in the first place). It was later passed on to the PC in 1968, where after it was bought by the Metro North in the 1970's (or early 80's). The Metro-North took the car and painted it deep blue and gave it the markings MNCX 002 (MNCX technically stands for Minnesota Corn Processors, but it is a Metro North car). It was used on MOW Trains until 1998 or so, when it was thereby shoved onto the illustrious Track 61 (which I will admit was once used by FDR (or at least so I think, and as a result, this is probably where this whole thing came from)), where is has remained.


I have a question though, do you think that some people confuse this car with the Ferdinand Magellan? (I ask as this car was associated with FDR)



To relate to the original purpose of the thread, I do like your recreation of the Ferdinand Magellan, considering I have never really seen anyone do it before. (I would recommend shrinking the lettering a bit as is seems a little large.)

I know That you aren't trying to start an argument. I started this thread to show screenshots of and discuss Presidential trains. I do think some people do confuse the baggage car in question with the "Ferdinand Magellan"

In 1941 in the midst of World War II, President Roosevelt consented to the urging of aides to have a private railcar reconfigured for his safety and comfort and that of future presidents. Originally built by the Pullman Company as the Ferdinand Magellan, the car was part of a fleet of six luxury cars, all named for famous explorers and available for private charter. Armor-plated with 5/8-inch steel on the car’s roof, floor, and sides and fitted with three-inch thick windows and two escape hatches, the refurbished car weighed 285,000 pounds, double its original weight. U.S. Car No. 1 is the heaviest railcar ever built in the United States. Security removed the name Ferdinand Magellan from the sides of the car and only "Pullman" remained, making the coach resemble, from a distance, an ordinary private car. For the remainder of World War II, this rolling fortress moved under the code word "POTUS" for President of the United States. POTUS had the right-of-way over all other rail traffic.
U.S. Car No.1 is the only private coach railroad car specifically designed for the president of the United States. The Pullman Company built the Ferdinand Magellan in 1928, and refurbished the car and presented it (dubbed U.S. Car No.1) to President Franklin D. Roosevelt on December 18, 1942. Both President Roosevelt and President Truman used the car extensively for state business, reelection campaigns, and personal trips. President Dwight D. Eisenhower briefly used U.S. Car No. 1 until air travel on Air Force I began to replace U.S. Car No. 1 as the preferred means of transport. In October 1984, Ronald Reagan requested the use of U.S. Car No.1 for a one-day whistle stop reelection campaign trip to Ohio in commemoration of rail travel.



 
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Another private rail car that Presidents used was the "Georgia 300"

Georgia 300, is a classic looking heavyweight observation car from the golden era of rail travel that was built by the Pullman Standard Co. shops in 1930. Sporting a Packard blue with silver striping livery, the train car operated as a lounge car named the General Polk on the New Orleans-New York Crescent Limited (operated by the L&N, West Point Route, Southern, and Pennsylvania), and was later purchased by the Georgia Railroad and reconfigured to Office Car 300. The Georgia Railroad used the car in trips to venues like The Masters Tournament and the Kentucky Derby. It ran until its retirement in 1982 after being made redundant as surplus due to the merger between Georgia Railroad and Family Lines.

Use by US Presidents

The Georgia 300 has hosted/carried Presidents Jimmy Carter, George H.W. Bush, Bill Clinton, and Barack Obama. In 2004, presidential candidates John F. Kerry and running mate Sen. John Edwards, traveled aboard the car from St. Louis to Kingman, Ariz., following the Democratic Convention in Boston.

George H.W. Bush


The Georgia 300 was used as a support car during George H.W. Bush campaign to be president in 1992. This use is thought to have prompted further use of the car by other presidents.

Bill Clinton


The car again was used by Bill Clinton for his 21st Century Express train for the 1996 campaign season, in a nod to his 1992 campaign with a bus[SUP].[/SUP] The 13-car train used the Georgia 300 along with other Amtrak, private, and host railroad CSX equipment and engines.

Barack Obama


Barack Obama utilized the Georgia 300 twice; first in April 2008 for a trip between Philadelphia and Harrisburg, Pa; and secondly before his 2009 inauguration on a whistle stop to Washington DC, along a similar route to that used by Abraham Lincoln . The Federal Aviation Administration prevented private planes, news helicopters, balloonists and others from flying anywhere near the airspace above the train route. These rolling NOTAM flight restrictions prevented general aviation from flying near stations and above the linear route of sections of the Northeast Corridor railroad line "for Special Security Reasons".
The train used consisted of two Amtrak GE Genesis locomotives, numbers 44 and 120, several Amfleet coaches and cafes, and the Georgia 300 at the rear.


 
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This is just to provide some more info about the car (and also to address some questions). (Again not trying to start any sort of enraged argument:))

This car started out as a PRR B70b (or B70a) baggage-mail-express car (which was converted from a BM70K passenger coach in the mid-1940's, and considering it is a heavyweight car, they tend to be big hunks of steel in the first place). It was later passed on to the PC in 1968, where after it was bought by the Metro North in the 1970's (or early 80's). The Metro-North took the car and painted it deep blue and gave it the markings MNCX 002 (MNCX technically stands for Minnesota Corn Processors, but it is a Metro North car). It was used on MOW Trains until 1998 or so, when it was thereby shoved onto the illustrious Track 61 (which I will admit was once used by FDR (or at least so I think, and as a result, this is probably where this whole thing came from)), where is has remained.


I have a question though, do you think that some people confuse this car with the Ferdinand Magellan? (I ask as this car was associated with FDR)



To relate to the original purpose of the thread, I do like your recreation of the Ferdinand Magellan, considering I have never really seen anyone do it before. (I would recommend shrinking the lettering a bit as is seems a little large.)

What I'm trying to do is replicate a prototypical FDR's Train and funeral cortege train for trainz. That's why I recreated the "Ferdinand Magellan"Car
 
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