Turnout Naming

[cascaderailroad]

When I want to drive from my A yard ... to B yard ... to C yard ... to D yard they are all alphabetically arrainged ... Its rather easy and simple to drive alphabetically or numerically.

Yours is drive via: Quahog ... Betendork ... Zeophile ... Canton (they are all over creation the alphabet, all mixed up.

You'd have to be a sorry excuse of a route builder ... but please keep these...unorthodox practices where the sun don't shine. I don't think anyone would like to download a route only to find all the junctions don't have names and trackmarks are a game of cryptology. (Who asked you for your worldly advice ? )

*** If you wanted rcgx's cars, wouldn't it be more logical to, gee I don't know...simply enter rcgx in the Author search filter?

*** Does Surveyor have this aspect ? Not in my game ! ... Maybe on the DLS ... But NOT in game, in Surveyor !

Say you're driving down the turnpike passing the Allenport exit ... and you unexpectedly blow by the Zenopolis exit ... thats why they invented the numerical/alphabetical milepost naming system in the US roadways ... Say you were passing milepost 136.5 ... and the next exit is Quahog milepost 137 A - Zenopolis milepost 137 B

Thats the problem with the DLS ... Everything is all mixed up, with no rhyme or reason as to it's name, ex: one is named "SD45-2", the next is named "PRR", the next is "EMD", the next is "#4325", the next is "Brunswick Green" ... absolutely no rigidity and structure as to the names.

I want to run my loco and passenger cars through the "Waschenlaunge"

https://www.google.com/search?q=i'm...%3A%2F%2Fcheezburger.com%2F2493546752;500;310

 

[nicky9499]

When I want to drive from my A yard ... to B yard ... to C yard ... to D yard they are all alphabetically arrainged ... Its rather easy and simple to drive alphabetically or numerically.

Yours is drive via: Quahog ... Betendork ... Zeophile ... Canton (they are all over creation the alphabet, all mixed up.



*** Does Surveyor have this aspect ? Not in my game ! ... Maybe on the DLS ... But NOT in game, in Surveyor !

Say you're driving down the turnpike passing the Allenport exit ... and you unexpectedly blow by the Zenopolis exit ... thats why they invented the numerical/alphabetical milepost naming system in the US roadways ... Say you were passing milepost 136.5 ... and the next exit is Quahog milepost 137 A - Zenopolis milepost 137 B

Thats the problem with the DLS ... Everything is all mixed up, with no rhyme or reason as to it's name, ex: one is named "SD45-2", the next is named "PRR", the next is "EMD", the next is "#4325", the next is "Brunswick Green" ... absolutely no rigidity and structure as to the names.

I want to run my loco and passenger cars through the "Waschenlaunge"

https://www.google.com/search?q=i'm...%3A%2F%2Fcheezburger.com%2F2493546752;500;310

Are you kidding me mate?

 

[cascaderailroad]

I'm not running TS10, nor TS12 in Surveyor ... I create my routes in TRS2006 ... I'm Not messing with the pesky TS10 and TS12 ... and losing a whole nights work, or losing months or years of work on a whole route, due to these higher versions of Trainz being overly complex in Surveyor ... Layers ... Who the heck needs layers anyway ???

Why don't you go pick a fight with someone else ... I don't need to hear your Carp ?

I'm trying to make a constructive point in Trainz, and you seem to be intent on bashing me !

I can simply start typing in a partial word ... I don't need to jump through Trainz hoops, and select multiple search panes, and select multiple drop down lists ... just to find a loco or railcar.

And driving alphabetically / numerically is so easy to do ... as every named trackmarker is very organized ... and is not cryptic !

I have never seen an AI train "drive via" a junction name ... they use trackmarkers

 

[DaveL]

Hey Nicky,

Leave him alone ! :hehe:

He obviously has NO intent of ever sharing his wonderful creation with the rest of us. (the Unwashed)

Remember, "beauty is in the eye of the beholder", as long as HE is happy with the way HE is doing things, so be it. Pointing out the "error of HIS ways" will never accomplish anything, except to make him all pissy.

DaveL

 

[jordon412]

The way I name my junctions is slightly different than the others here. Here's an example:
GJYD01A
GJ = Grand Junction
YD = Yard
01A = Switch 01A, this switch is paired with GJYD01B, the other end of this yard track

GJ01A:
GJ = Grand Junction
01A = Switch 01A, paired with GJ01B, which is the other end of the passing siding

GJX01A:
GJ = Grand Junction
X = Crossover
01A = Switch 01A, paired with GJX01B, which is the other switch that makes up the crossover

GJY01A:
GJ = Grand Junction
Y = Wye
01A = Switch 01A, paired with GJY01B and GJY01C, since three switches are needed for a wye.

Switches that don't end with a letter are stub-ended sidings. For example, a track that an industry is on.

 

[cascaderailroad]

Hey Nicky,

Leave him alone ! :hehe:

He obviously has NO intent of ever sharing his wonderful creation with the rest of us. (the Unwashed)

Remember, "beauty is in the eye of the beholder", as long as HE is happy with the way HE is doing things, so be it. Pointing out the "error of HIS ways" will never accomplish anything, except to make him all pissy.

DaveL

I have shared my ALCO Land WIP route with the community ... and I am working, hardly, on this WIP ... and will post a new Cubby link, as allot of improvments are still being made ... very soon you will get the updated route, and you will see that the "Drive Via Trackmarker", alphabetically, is all simple, and easy to understand, and run.

It has 4 yards ... in A, to B, to C, and out through D ... what could be more un-cryptic about that idear' ?

No idea shared is a bad idea ... all ideas have merits ... but when someone just mocks your ideas, and pee's all over your ideas ... it is hard not to get all "Pissey" feeling, when you are pee'd on by bashers.

 

[Red_Rattler]

For me it really depends how I name my (or rename) junctions

Is it absolutely necessary that junctions be named with descriptive words ?

No & Yes, for me it would depend

I name all my junctions (an apostrophe) '

I don't use an apost, um ur apos, um ur apost a, um an "upper comma"! D), I start the name with either "J-" or "J", without the double quotes.

But if possible, I do try to put them in numerical &/or alphabetical order, OR name them after the nearest station, tram stop, or similar. But if they from crossovers, or similar, I try to add the Junction Link object, as saves changing the junction twice when in manual mode.

Here is adding crossings to the Surfside Tram route: https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2913/14552347959_823a4429f4_b.jpg

And this is just a "yard"
And a short video of naming junctions on route _______!

Say you're driving down the turnpike passing the Allenport exit
Say you were passing milepost 136.5 ... and the next exit is Quahog milepost 137 A

Okay then, if you insist:
You're driving down the turnpike passing the Allenport exit
You were passing milepost 136.5 ... and the next exit is Quahog milepost 137 A

Well, you said to say it! :hehe:

Layers ... Who the heck needs layers anyway ???

Um I do! Try putting a signal, or similar track object, near a junction, and quite often, even if placed a small distance away, it is very hard to grab just the signal, as often, instead of grabbing the signal, you accidentally grab the junction switch.

Why don't you go pick a fight with someone else ... I don't need to hear your
I'm trying to make a constructive point in Trainz, and you seem to be intent on bashing me !

I think what he was getting at, if you ADD a station, or other industry in between say you A & B switches/turnouts, what name would you give it?

 

[cascaderailroad]

Have you ever seen an AI Driver: "Navigate To", "Navigate Via", "Drive To" or "Drive Via" a Junction 1624 ... NO they don't even need junction names, nor follow junction names ... they use Trackmarkers, to "Navigate To", "Navigate Via", "Drive To" or "Drive Via", and flip a thousand turnouts all named identically as apostrophe: '

...I think what he was getting at, if you ADD a station, or other industry in between say you A & B switches/turnouts, what name would you give it?

What would I do ... I would give it another named trackmarker, and tell it to drive via, to, that new trackmarker ... and all the junctions named apostrophe: ' would all be thrown automatically

 

[Pendolino]

For Junctions, I use a three-character prefix (e.g. "CHY" for Cheyenne, "RSV" for Roseville, etc.) followed by a progressive number: it works fine with both rules and orders used to set junctions.

For Trackmarks, the use of the "~" character allows grouping TMs in "families", using the format "StationName~TrackmarkName" (e.g. "Cheyenne Yard~Track 9 West"). When you set a "Navigate to Trackmark" or similar order, only "StationName" will be shown in the menu. Selecting a particular StationName will provide access to the list of all the trackmarks grouped under that StationName.

If I remember correctly, you can also use two "~" signs to create a sub-sub-family of trackmarks; this may come handy if you have really large yards on your route.

The "~" is obtained by pressing ALT+126 on the numeric keypad.

 

[dnevans8]

For Trackmarks, the use of the "~" character allows grouping TMs in "families", using the format "StationName~TrackmarkName" (e.g. "Cheyenne Yard~Track 9 West"). When you set a "Navigate to Trackmark" or similar order, only "StationName" will be shown in the menu. Selecting a particular StationName will provide access to the list of all the trackmarks grouped under that StationName.

Sorry to take this off topic but there have been a number of questions about the lack of a scroll bar in the "Wait for trigger" command e.g.:
http://forums.auran.com/trainz/showthread.php?110897-No-Scroll-Bars-when-using-trigger
and I was wondering if the naming of locomotives with a ~ in there name might break up the list in the same way that Pendolino does for naming his trackmarks.

It might involve a fair bit of work renaming all the locomotives but compared to the time spent creating a route or session it should be manageable.

 

[JohnnyC1]

Sorry to take this off topic but there have been a number of questions about the lack of a scroll bar in the "Wait for trigger" command e.g.:
http://forums.auran.com/trainz/showthread.php?110897-No-Scroll-Bars-when-using-trigger
and I was wondering if the naming of locomotives with a ~ in there name might break up the list in the same way that Pendolino does for naming his trackmarks.

It might involve a fair bit of work renaming all the locomotives but compared to the time spent creating a route or session it should be manageable.

Why don't you choose "Loco" proceeding all of you locomotives? You know you can change an assets name and assets description in CMP without opening the asset by filling in the required information in the "Asset Details" menu window.

John

 

[JCitron]

For Junctions, I use a three-character prefix (e.g. "CHY" for Cheyenne, "RSV" for Roseville, etc.) followed by a progressive number: it works fine with both rules and orders used to set junctions.

For Trackmarks, the use of the "~" character allows grouping TMs in "families", using the format "StationName~TrackmarkName" (e.g. "Cheyenne Yard~Track 9 West"). When you set a "Navigate to Trackmark" or similar order, only "StationName" will be shown in the menu. Selecting a particular StationName will provide access to the list of all the trackmarks grouped under that StationName.

If I remember correctly, you can also use two "~" signs to create a sub-sub-family of trackmarks; this may come handy if you have really large yards on your route.

The "~" is obtained by pressing ALT+126 on the numeric keypad.

Carlo,

Thank you for that tip. I am going to do this for my extensive route to smooth out the track mark search. On our North American keyboards, the ~ character is located on the far left above the Tab key and to the left of the !/1 key. I'm not so sure about laptops because they vary way too much.

John

 

[cascaderailroad]

Great point about families, and sub family, grouping, of names and junctions, by either using 1 or 2 apostrophes: ' ', or 1 or 2 tilde symbols ~ ~

But to keep it on topic ... Do junctions even need to be named ?

As AI really follows trackmarkers, and throws junctions automatically, no matter if they are not named, or are simply named ~ or '

 

[dnevans8]

Why don't you choose "Loco" proceeding all of you locomotives? You know you can change an assets name and assets description in CMP without opening the asset by filling in the required information in the "Asset Details" menu window.

John

You seem to have missed the point. The suggestion is for renaming trackmarks or locomotives using the properties button (?) in surveyor.

 

[JCitron]

Great point about families, and sub family, grouping, of names and junctions, by either using 1 or 2 apostrophes: ' ', or 1 or 2 tilde symbols ~ ~

But to keep it on topic ... Do junctions even need to be named ?

As AI really follows trackmarkers, and throws junctions automatically, no matter if they are not named, or are simply named ~ or '

It depends...

I only name what is necessary such as for those turnouts that need to be included in a crossover and are controlled by a junction controller. The same with signals.

John

 

[JohnnyC1]

I guess so. I was giving an example of how I name my various rolling stock/locomotives. I find they are a lot easier/faster to locate in surveyor and in drive mode then the hodgepodge of vehicles that are now displayed without renaming them permanently. As for track marks, why wouldn't you name them as to function/location???

John

 

[JCitron]

I guess so. I was giving an example of how I name my various rolling stock/locomotives. I find they are a lot easier/faster to locate in surveyor and in drive mode then the hodgepodge of vehicles that are now displayed without renaming them permanently. As for track marks, why wouldn't you name them as to function/location???

John

Hi John,

I like your locomotive and rolling stock naming convention. I was thinking about doing that myself. I agree that it would be a lot easier to find the stuff in the list instead of the big gamut of equipment we have installed. Regarding track marks, I always name those, usually with the location and sometimes a number. I used to place them at stations. well just after them in a given direction, and use that for freights. I may go back to that at some time. As I said regarding junctions, I only name them as needed, or in places where it maybe more convenient such as in yards.

John

 

[JohnnyC1]

On another note, when merging routes sometimes you will have duplicate named track objects and if you have created a schedule library there will be problems with the AI finding trackmarks.

John

 

[JCitron]

On another note, when merging routes sometimes you will have duplicate named track objects and if you have created a schedule library there will be problems with the AI finding trackmarks.

John

I have run into that before.

The information relating to the schedule library is located in the session profile.dat file. I used a file viewer to see it on one route so I could recreate the session commands again.

John

 

[JohnnyC1]

I have run into that before.

The information relating to the schedule library is located in the session profile.dat file. I used a file viewer to see it on one route so I could recreate the session commands again.

John

Thanks, that info will be put to use.

John