TS2010 constant freezing in surveyor?

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sniper297

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Anyone else getting this? My specs;

Model: Dell DXP051
CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) D CPU 2.80GHz (2 CPUs)
Memory: 2046MB RAM
Operating System: Windows XP Professional (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 3 (2600.xpsp.080413-2111)
DirectX 9.0c (4.09.0000.0904)

Video: NVIDIA GeForce 8500 GT 512.0 MB
NVIDIA Driver Version: 6.14.0012.5721

Sound: SigmaTel Audio
sthda.sys Driver Version: 5.10.4823.0000

Hard Drive: Maxtor 6L160M0 147.8 GB

* McAfee Anti-virus
* McAfee Personal Firewall

I have all automatic updates, power schemes, and screensavers disabled, clean out temp files and defrag once or twice a week, so I'm running a clean OS. No spyware, viruses, adware, google toolbars, or dancing singing desktop icons.

Uninstalled TS2010 and did a clean install two weeks ago, patched to 44088, checked for faulty missing whatever assets, have a lot of the built in assets disabled so they don't show up in lists.

Yet it happens time and time again - change from trackside objects to track, change from objects to splines or back, often there's a pause of a minute or so, all too often the blasted thing just freezes and needs a reboot.

Just checked, I have a total of 19,810 assets installed, 19,276 of those are built in, so it couldn't be an excessive number of assets causing this. Nothing faulty, no missing dependencies.
 
You should get a pause as you change tabs - long pause on 'Objects' (because there are a lot of objects) short pause on Tracks (not a lot of tracks to load) variable pause on Rolling Stock (cause it depends how much there is).

I get a long 'pause' first time a tab is opened, much shorter pause on subsequent openings. My assumption is that the content menu is getting sorted and/or loaded into memory, but that's a guess. I have roughly the same rig as you, but bucket loads more content. I have never frozen on a surveyor menu. The only significant difference between our systems is I have 4 gig of RAM (XP only recognises 3 gig), but it does kinda bear out the theory that the pause - freeze thing is memory-related...

Andy
 
Same as above.
The longest pause is always the rolling stock tab, it can take a good few minutes to load on first opening it but after that it opens immediately from then on, same with all the tabs at first, long pause while loading then instant there after. :wave:
 
That's not what I'm getting, switch from objects to splines and it pauses for a minute, switch back to objects and it pauses for a minute. Scroll up and down the list and the spinning animation (any way to turn that off? unnecessary fluff) freezes, the list stops moving, then it jerks back into motion again. I have probably over 50% of the built in content disabled so it isn't even in the lists, and like I say less than 800 assets that are not built in.

Curious, in my internet temp folder I noticed 3 trainz zip files with error logs, all about memory, first one reads;

trainz caused an Access Violation (0xc0000005)
in module KernelStandard_7c.dll at 001b:00c5f55d.

Exception handler called in main thread.
Error occurred at 6/23/2011 14:49:10.
C:\Auran\TS2010\bin\trainz.exe, run by Jim Ward.
Operating system: Windows XP (5.1.2600).
2 processor(s), type 586.
38% memory in use.
2047 MBytes physical memory.
1267 MBytes physical memory free.
0 MBytes paging file.
0 MBytes paging file free.
2048 MBytes user address space.
1718 MBytes user address space free.
Write to location 89cb788b caused an access violation.

With a bunch of stack dumps after that. Any good to send those in?
 
sniper297 said:
...the spinning animation (any way to turn that off? unnecessary fluff)
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clicking on the preview window toggles the animation on and off.

Just a thought but how big is your pageing file? I run Trainz and the OS on two separate drives and I have a whopping page file on both drives. I recall doing that after reading something in the forum and I got a significant decrease in stutter after doing so. In all honesty the tech stuff is way over my head, but might help Surveyor also. Could be worth playing with...

Andy
 
Yeah, but it only toggles it off for that one asset, change to the next one and that's spinning. I gotta wonder how much that "feature" uses.

Swap file, I always had that set to 4096 fixed size, I usually set that to zero and reboot before defragging, then set back to 4096 fixed again. After getting Trainz, which apparently doesn't work the same way every other simulator works, I tried setting to system managed. No change, so I went to the recommended size of 3069 fixed, no change.

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That's where it is now, but near as I can tell from running in a window with the task manager set to always on top, it never uses more than 1 gig give or take.

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Spikes in the CPU usage chart show places where I changed tabs from track to objects to splines to track objects and back to objects and so on.

Nobody else is having any problems with TS2010 freezing at any time? I even get CM 3.5 or CM 3.3 freezing sometimes, especially if I interrupt it while it's "validating your user name with planet auran, please wait" :sleep: or "applying filter, please wait". :sleep:
 
I happen to get freezes, they occur rarely, but then again my system is about as old as yours. My dad agrees, its about to expire but we can't upgrade it just yet.
 
Yeah, the question is why, and what can be done about it? I don't exceed the minimum specs by much, but I do have slightly better than minimum specs in all categories for TS2010. I can't help feeling there's something missing that trainzdiag.exe does not catch. When I first installed 2010 on my son's system, it passed all the tests, returned no errors, but just would not start - click the start button and it just exited to desktop. It turns out he didn't have Microsoft .NET Framework 2.0 installed on his system, he had 1.0 but not 2.0. The system requirements don't say anything about needing .NET 2.0, the trainzdiag doesn't check for it, but it will not run at all unless it's installed. I'm one of the beta testers on the Open Rails project, so I have half a dozen different versions of .NET Framework and several XNA Visual C++ modules installed for that, but I did try uninstalling all but .NET 1.1 and .NET 2.0 SP2, no change with Trainz. I have a bunch of other modern games like Oblivion and Silent Hunter IV that are real demanding on the hardware, but none of them give me nearly as much trouble as TS2010.
 
No, I got autosave disabled. I'll look into the splines, most are DMDrake's city splines, IIRC those are 2.4. BTW I should mention I'm running in native mode, never tried compatibility mode because I don't want to make whatever I upload dependent on compatibility mode. I've been testing the route by saving to CDP and importing the CDP into TS12, any dependency that TS12 has a problem with gets removed in TS2010 and I try again until it runs with no errors in TS12.
 
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Try reducing the paging file to 2024 which I thought was the max file size for a 32 bit operating system. And of cause let us know it that helps.
I also found if autosave was turned on that could cause memory overflows.... cause trains only supports 2024 on a 32 bit system unless the app supports DX11 I think it was. but that aint trainz
 
sniper297 said:
While we're on the subject of memory, this;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgOE2dnJU2M

has got to be memory related. Anyone else getting that?
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G'day,

It sure is. Proggies like Trainz rely heavily on virtual memory.
That slows things downand causes those freezes. I have them al the time also,but try to live with rhem. I have 4 gigs of memory but the OS (windows 7) takes almost halve of that, and when trainz is started the usage meter reads nearly 60% of memory used. That is without trainz loading anything yet.
So your routes assets etc wil mostly be loaded into virtual memory. Hence the the blue bits when moving over the terrain.
The same happens to me all the time, which means I will have to get my GF to cough up for some extra memory:hehe:.

Hope this shed some light on the situation.
E.C.
 
surveyor freezes for a short period

Hello everybody,

When working at my route - in my case, surveyor freezes when I'm doing the following action

Turning around with the arrow keys, or using the move or rotate tab within the object section ( F3), but most of the time it's the rotation within surveyor-view.

It freezes most of the time for max 30 sec, then I can continue until I use the same buttons discribed above.

I occasionally have to use the alt+tab key when I cannot continue working.
Switching with the alt+tab key from within Trainz to desktop ( or other open program ) and back to Trainz, helps in my case.

Best regards

Kurt :wave:
 
hi all

i have the same problem as a lot of op

mine is most noticeable going from the house to the splines or back

sometimes it sits for up to 5 minutes


even on a new install with only trainz running and nothing else loaded into the os

cheers
ron
 
There were freeze issues with TS2010, but I think they were fixed with a later patch or service pack.
 
Nope. Getting this in 44088 which is the last stable patch. It hasn't improved at all over the last year, replaced everything but the CPU and motherboard including graphics card, memory, power supply, hard disk, also cleaned the entire inside of the case and replaced the thermal paste on the heat sink. All temps normal. Considering buying TS2009 since that has lower hardware requirements, whatever the problems are with the programming maybe I could muscle past them with better hardware but I can't afford better hardware.

OS: Windows XP Media (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 2 (2600.xpsp_sp2_rtm.040803-2158)
Model: Dell DXP051
CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) D CPU 2.80GHz dual core
Memory: 1 gig RAM
Video: ATI X550 256 MB
Hard Drive: Maxtor 6L160M0
375 watt power supply

That's what I had when I got TS2010 in June 2010, pause pause pause freeze constantly in surveyor.

OS: Windows XP Media (5.1, Build 2600) Service Pack 3 (2600.xpsp.080413-2111)
Model: Dell DXP051
CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) D CPU 2.80GHz dual core
Memory: 2 gigs Crucial Ballistix RAM
Video: NVIDIA GeForce 8500 GT 512.0 MB
Hard Drive: Western Digital WD5000AAKX-001CA0 462.0 GB
550 watt power supply

That's what I got now, it doesn't pause as long as it did before (shouldn't, the WD is twice as fast as the maxtor with a larger hardware buffer), but when working on anything I still have to reboot several times a day due to freezing. Clean temp files and defrag at least once a week, currently have 253 out of 451 gigabytes free.
 
hi
i still get the same thing
new install and it freezes up when i change tabs.

last for about 5 minutes

i try to do as much as i can before changing tabs


cheers
ron
 
Goodness knows I have had hassles with my recent computer upgrade, but one thing I did fix was the TS10 menu-change lock-up. TS10 now lives on a SSD and the delay when changing tabs (including the first opening of the objects tab after launch) is nil - yep, nuffink. Instant menus. The SSD's weren't cheap but were worth it for the surveyor improvement alone...

Andy
 
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