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rrbobby

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:'( I switched to 2009 from 2006 because 2006 crashed alot. Now 2009 crashes too! I thought after all these years Auran would have eliminated these problems.
I am running on xp with a quad, 2 huge drives, a ton of memory, in other words the computer is great. I can run everything at top settings including shadows and my vidio card is tops. etc. I say this to eliminate the computer as the problem. One crash, durring surveyor, is a sudden video failure with squares of
colors and scribble for lettering. The way out is to leave trainz and start over.
The other surveyor crash also requires a restart and a running of contents so as
to repair content???
Then, in driver the worst one happened! It crashed XP I guess. I could not restart the computer even after unplugging it and restarting it. I was able to
restart it on the other disc where I have Windows 7 op system. After 3 additional
trys the other drive with XP came up. Because I could not get the signals work
consistantly on the layout I was working on and it was also suspect to me as
maybe the problem I wiped it out to start over. The screwy signal system does
not always work. The direction track is laid out or some dumb thing, I never figured that out. Anyway please share any thoughts or suggestions you might
have, they would be most appreciated. Robert Graves, Trainz user since 2002.
 
rrbobby said:
:'( I switched to 2009 from 2006 because 2006 crashed alot. Now 2009 crashes too! I thought after all these years Auran would have eliminated these problems.
I am running on xp with a quad, 2 huge drives, a ton of memory, in other words the computer is great. I can run everything at top settings including shadows and my vidio card is tops. etc. I say this to eliminate the computer as the problem. One crash, durring surveyor, is a sudden video failure with squares of
colors and scribble for lettering. The way out is to leave trainz and start over.
The other surveyor crash also requires a restart and a running of contents so as
to repair content???
Then, in driver the worst one happened! It crashed XP I guess. I could not restart the computer even after unplugging it and restarting it. I was able to
restart it on the other disc where I have Windows 7 op system. After 3 additional
trys the other drive with XP came up. Because I could not get the signals work
consistantly on the layout I was working on and it was also suspect to me as
maybe the problem I wiped it out to start over. The screwy signal system does
not always work. The direction track is laid out or some dumb thing, I never figured that out. Anyway please share any thoughts or suggestions you might
have, they would be most appreciated. Robert Graves, Trainz user since 2002.
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Robert: I don't think that you can blame Auran for your problems. I am running TR2006 on an XP machine with a P4 processor, 2GB of ram and a basic Nvidia graphics card with 256Mb of Ram. It is not the fastest bunny in the woods, but it never crashes and is superb with CMP and downloads. I also use open GL.

tomurban
 
tomurban said:
Robert: I don't think that you can blame Auran for your problems. I am running TR2006 on an XP machine with a P4 processor, 2GB of ram and a basic Nvidia graphics card with 256Mb of Ram. It is not the fastest bunny in the woods, but it never crashes and is superb with CMP and downloads. I also use open GL.

tomurban
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I tried 2006 again today, it ran for 3 or 4 minutes and crashed. I was going to reinstall but got 2009 instead. I'm not blaming them I'm just fustrated that I have this wonderfull program and the problems spoil the fun. Robert Graves.
 
I would first guess an overheating problem, probably the video card.
Next guess, a voltage problem, probably the +5V. This could be due to an inadequete power supply. It could also be what killed my late computer. The main board connector to the power supply was defective and not able to handle the +5V current without dropping some voltage and so the contacts got warm excelerating corrosion causing a poorer conection droping more voltage, generating more heat, etc. until the voltage became too low, ~4.4V causing the PC to crash and coruption of my XP.
Either way this is most likly to happen while Trainz is running since it drives the PC very hard, drawing maximum current and either overheatng the video card or decreasing the +5V, or both.
Is that the video card your PC came with? What is the wattage of your power supply?
 
rrbobby said:
I tried 2006 again today, it ran for 3 or 4 minutes and crashed. I was going to reinstall but got 2009 instead. I'm not blaming them I'm just fustrated that I have this wonderfull program and the problems spoil the fun. Robert Graves.
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Robert: I understand your frustration. However, I think SuperFudd may be on to something. I suspect some component on your computer is failing. The $64 question is what component. Do you have access to some sort of diagnostic software such as PC Doctor? However, as SuperFudd notes, the power supply is a prime suspect. It is probably thermally protected, so it just shuts itself down.

Good Luck, tomurban
 
I went through a phase of constant black screen crashes in both TRS2006 and TS2009 (running Vista but hopefully advice sound for other O/S).

The first thing I did was switch off auto-save in Surveyor.

Second (probably more relevant to Vista and W7) was on investigating the folder and file privileges in Windows Explorer, the Auran installer does not by default tick all the required user boxes which could cause problems overwriting and possibly why the autosave was crashing. Anyhow I opened up the privileges tab in the root TRS2006/TS2009 folder (since done it for TS2010 too) and ensured all the various levels of users are ticked.

Since then all versions have been rock solid and steady.

One other performance tip, mentioned more as an aside, is that the 5m terrain grid seems to drag all but the most powerful PC's to a crawl once you start filling a route up with splines, textures and objects.
 
I have no problem running TS2009 and TS2010 on my Lenovo computer Intel Duo core pentium 2.5 Ghz, 5 gigs ram, Windows Vista. Open GL.

Additions:

500 watt power supply
Nvidia 8400 256 meg video card
Creative Labs sound card

The computer had a 300 watt power supply and that was too low for the Nvidia card. Also, using add on cards relieves the motherboard.

My Dell Pentium IV 2.8 Ghz, Windows XP, 1 gig ram ran everything up through TRS 2006 without a problem.
That one has the Nvidia 5700 video card with 256 megs ram and a credative sound card, but the standard 250 watt power supply.
The HD went on that unit and I will be getting a new drive, then I'll use it for TRS2004 or TRS2006, haven't decided which one I'll use it with.
 
SuperFudd said:
I would first guess an overheating problem, probably the video card.
Next guess, a voltage problem, probably the +5V. This could be due to an inadequete power supply. It could also be what killed my late computer. The main board connector to the power supply was defective and not able to handle the +5V current without dropping some voltage and so the contacts got warm excelerating corrosion causing a poorer conection droping more voltage, generating more heat, etc. until the voltage became too low, ~4.4V causing the PC to crash and coruption of my XP.
Either way this is most likly to happen while Trainz is running since it drives the PC very hard, drawing maximum current and either overheatng the video card or decreasing the +5V, or both.
Is that the video card your PC came with? What is the wattage of your power supply?
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OK mate you beat me to it.I too believe it is Video related.I thought it might have been an ATI card but its Nvidia but Im not familar with that model,however it seems likely your assesment may be right,or it could be another component,perhaps the power supply,or a monitor problem.I cant remember the specs,but will have another look.
Just reread the posts and I think VERN may be on to something as well.Good luck rrbobby




Rusti
 
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I forgot to mention, keep in mind that Trainz drives most PCs flat out, using maximum current/power. A power supply may be fine for Minefield or Email but not for Trainz.
 
2009 continued

I have a new 550 w power supply and the temps are fine. My granson, computer guy, and I just went through the system. Not all crashes are video, they very in 2006 and 2009. yesterday 2006 crashed right away, today it's running fine.
I did turn off autosave, thanks for the tip.
Another question came up today. I have a layout that the signals work correctly in 2006 but running the same layout in 2009, the signals don't work. As far as I
know there is no change with signals in 2009, any ideas?
Thanks to all for your coments. Robert GRaves.
 
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