Trainz Vs Rail Simulator - Which Is Better

I'm certainly glad to see that you tried both and came to your own conclusions, instead of simply going off of what's been told to you (especially on the sim's company forum!) If only everyone would do that... :p

I also tried Kuju's offering, and although I can tell it's got promise as a driving sim, it just doesn't fit my style of managing 10+ trains at one time. Different tastes, different products :)

Glad to see that me and my rantings here could be of some help :cool:
 
I'm not gonna buy every train sim that comes out just to compare it to Trainz so I can give an unbiased opinion. I will read the opinions of those that have tried both, and I'll refer others to those opinions. I might even say, well, "I've heard........"

Ed
 
I would say that another's opinion is nothing more then another's opinion. Try for yourself and make a decision which simulator is better ... for you!
 
I'm not gonna buy every train sim that comes out just to compare it to Trainz so I can give an unbiased opinion. I will read the opinions of those that have tried both, and I'll refer others to those opinions. I might even say, well, "I've heard........"

Ed

I'm not saying you should go out and buy everything so you can offer others opinions. What I'm saying is, if you personally want to know which one is going to suit you better, then the best way to do that is to download demos of both products and try both.
 
I've been playing the Trainz series since the Community Edition but I'm going to be one of the very, very few here that aren't afraid to say that it's gotten rather old. Rail Simulator easily wins because it offers a new experience.

Actually, after playing Rail Simulator for a while, Trainz 2006 went right out of my PC. The graphics in RS trump that of TRS bar none. RS takes a majority of its controls from MSTS so it's very easy to adapt to.






Trainz (for the moment) is hands down all around better than Rail Simulator, although the DLS webpage (you can still download via CMP and FTP) isn't functioning at the moment, Trainz has about 70000 or so available assets. RS? Almost none.

RS has plenty of potential.....while OTOH, the Trainz series is already at the point of running it's course. RS is getting off to a slow start just as MSTS, each iteration of Trainz and BVE all did.

Trainz Surveyor is (with practice) very easy to use and quite yielding. RS? Try laying some track, its nearly impossible, in fact, once you lay that track and save the layout, you can't delete the layout.

Take a look a the tutorial videos. And btw, you can delete the layouts. It's just a different format that takes time getting used to.

Trainz has a *relatively* good signal system code which with the use of some good signals can be very easy to manipulate to do what you want. RS? Not a chance.

I recommend you view the signaling guide on UKTrainSim.com, where you can be enlightened on the possibilities of the signal system in RS. Without any 3rd party content, the Trainz signal system doesn't function as many would want. Why do you think Auran and many here never even advanced or took advantage of the scenario system? There's a scarcity of scenarios and sessions for TRS and it's mainly due to the signaling issues.

Trainz (with some difficulty) has a good working AI system which when programed properly will run without any problems. RS? Hardly any AI and as far as I know no way to make any.

Trainz has the convenience of a working level crossing system, and if your into German railroading, crossing position inidicators. RS? The crossings are always down leaving you with some very cross motorists.

False...... Why all the misinformation? RS does have AI capabilities with the Developer Tools. And the crossings? The go up on the Bath Green route..maybe you had your graphics level down?

Trainz has roads with traffic on them that you can actually set, and with TC you can have it go on more than one lane. RS? Well, I've yet to even see a car.

Once again, your graphics level was set too low. Set it higher and you'll see traffic, just like MSTS.


Trainz has a very friendly, helpful user community that releases loads of great content and can easily help with a lot of your Trainz and PC problems (heck, they even have their own chatroom!). RS? Say one thing blatantly degrading about their game (like what I've just written above) and you'll find yourself banned pretty quickly.

What forum have you been using? People were degrading the game on the UKTrainSim forums before it was even released and none were banned! The RS community is just as friendly but are currently adapting to the new formats. Content is trickling out right now..but that will surely grow.

Trainz is a relatively easy to use program for a great price and with it you can do some pretty cool things (TPR's layouts prove this bit). RS? Overpriced, half finished program that doesn't do a lot with a lousy selection of rolling stock (Not one bit of Canadian content, and when the US release comes there still won't be any).

I paid $65 for Trainz 2006, that's what I call overpriced. The little $40 your paying for RS is the base price for pretty much all mainstream PC games. And Canadian content? You should've been busting Microsoft's and Auran's chops as well as I don't recall Canadian content in those either.
 
Spoke thusly...

It's always interesting to see users of a product defending their product in a forum that's obviously partial to that product's competitior (and please, let me clarify, I'm not saying there is anything wrong with such partiality!), especially in such a niche product genre.

Although I chose to not use KRS for other reasons, I salute your bravery to go against the grain, and wholeheartedly thank you for clearing up some misconceptions. It really is irritating to see your product being portrayed falsely on other forums, something that led me to defend Trainz in a forum biased against it quite some time ago.
 
Actually, after playing Rail Simulator for a while, Trainz 2006 went right out of my PC. The graphics in RS trump that of TRS bar none. RS takes a majority of its controls from MSTS so it's very easy to adapt to.
Only if you have actually played MSTS.

the Trainz series is already at the point of running it's course.

I don't think so, there is still potential in Trainz.

Take a look a the tutorial videos. And btw, you can delete the layouts. It's just a different format that takes time getting used to.
You can't exit without saving your changes though ;)

I recommend you view the signaling guide on UKTrainSim.com, where you can be enlightened on the possibilities of the signal system in RS. Without any 3rd party content, the Trainz signal system doesn't function as many would want. Why do you think Auran and many here never even advanced or took advantage of the scenario system? There's a scarcity of scenarios and sessions for TRS and it's mainly due to the signaling issues.
The RS signalling system does not know a train exists until it goes past it. This means it will quite happily clear a signal that runs you into the back of a stationary train. If you uncouple from a train and drive past a signal it assumes all the train has gone past and doesn't know you've left some of it behind so it will again quite happily allow another train to run into it. There's some free enlightenment for you.

The lack of sessions and Scenarios is not direcly linked to the signals IMHO.

False...... Why all the misinformation? RS does have AI capabilities with the Developer Tools. And the crossings? The go up on the Bath Green route..maybe you had your graphics level down?
There are no 'proper' crossings in RS, the roads just stop at one side and start again at the other.

I paid $65 for Trainz 2006, that's what I call overpriced. The little $40 your paying for RS is the base price for pretty much all mainstream PC games. And Canadian content? You should've been busting Microsoft's and Auran's chops as well as I don't recall Canadian content in those either.

There was/is Canadian content in Trainz.

It would appear you are also peddling misinformation. ;)

Mike.
 
I paid $65 for Trainz 2006, that's what I call overpriced. The little $40 your paying for RS is the base price for pretty much all mainstream PC games. And Canadian content? You should've been busting Microsoft's and Auran's chops as well as I don't recall Canadian content in those either.

In Germany the RS was/is sold for 50 EUR = 72 USD. So we need to call it overpriced.

Just one aspect: Have a look for scenarios (TRS04 or TRS06SP1) in Trainz. You never will see something comparable in RS. Never !
 
Just one aspect: Have a look for scenarios (TRS04 or TRS06SP1) in Trainz. You never will see something comparable in RS. Never !

Funny, all the MSTS users claimed that Trainz would never have a good representation of the Marias Pass route because of its limited route-editing capabilities ("Ease of use != powerful editor" -Anonymous). And yet now, not only do we have a fantastic representation of said route, but I daresay it's one of the most popular payware objects ever created for Trainz.

Never say never...:cool:
 
Mmmh, what a remarkable coincidence: Just I was the person who developed a 2:30 hours 04/06-scenario for Marias Pass.

Never say never, ok ! But for KRS I am sure: Never :p :cool: :wave:
 
I'm not even going to get into it. It's obvious that the biased opinions change over the different train sim boards pertaining to that sim. Go to train-sim.com or uktrainsim and you'll see they talk so much trash about Trainz that they act like it doesn't even exist. Trainz and Rail Simulator get along nicely in my Vista PC setup, so this doesn't even matter to me.
 
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I'm a regular visitor to UKTrainsim and train-sim.com thanks, you'll find I'm quite well informed on what's what. Here, there, and everywhere have their fair share of the argumentative, the biased and the plain ignorant. You have to filter it all.

This is an interesting thread on Rail Simulator though... its called "Bug / Error reporting & Missing options" It is up to 18 pages so far and still growing.

http://forums.uktrainsim.com/viewtopic.php?f=215&t=74771

Mike.
 
Glad to see your understanding Mike! But I still feel that it seems as though people are never happy with anything. Just 2 years ago, there was a raging war on these very forums between the TRS2004ers vs the TRS06ers. But now that KRS is out, people are now putting TRS06 on a golden pedestal and throwing pitchforks at Rail Simulator...just like both MSTS and Trainz 1.0 had done to them when first released. If I recall correctly, MSTS was crappy out-of-the-box, Trainz 2004 was bug-ridden until the Service Packs and TRS06..where do I get started? But look at them now..all fully developed.......those that have turned a blind-eye at first are now vital members to the community. It's like deja vu all over again with Rail Simulator.

*FACT*-> Rail Simulator has much more optimized framerates tenfold than either MSTS or Trainz. One can play RS on a low-spec PC with reasonable framerates.


Also, there's actually a noticeably similar discussion going on at train-sim.com..(Over there, it's MSTS vs RS)

http://forums.flightsim.com/ts/dcbo...rum=27&topic_id=4426&mesg_id=&page=&mode=full

I like this post by august1929 though...


>It[Kuju Rail Simulator] barely functions out of the box. Needs some big time fixes to make it even playable for the casual user.<


I think that is exactly who it is playable by
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- needs the fixes (such as are really needed) for the more than casual user.

Barely functions is a bit strong - it exells on my computer (and mine isn't that high spec). Took me a while to get used to it, and a few tweaks, but it more than functions. Far, far better framerates than MSTS, much better detail as a result and where it wins out over MSTSX (or 2) is that it is here and now.

Don't be put off, expecially by anyone who has not tested it for a decent period - just loading it, playing with it a few times, then throwing the disc away in disgust is not giving it a chance.

What it is not, and I mean NOT, is MSTS. So don't expect it to look or feel the same. Treat it as a new sim and a new experience, give it time, and enjoy it.

Rod

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I downloaded a lot of Trainz content and I can't seem to use it. The content doesn't even show when creating a new scenario. Apparently everything I downloaded is missing dependencies or something like that.

Anyway, I loaded Rail Simulator and it turns out that the latest ATI video drivers for my card are garbage as the game runs fine on a lesser card using older drivers. I think with time Rail Sim will eventually iron out the bugs and have tons of content. It is a new series afterall but for now, Trainz is what I'll be using.
 
I downloaded a lot of Trainz content and I can't seem to use it. The content doesn't even show when creating a new scenario. Apparently everything I downloaded is missing dependencies or something like that.
The content won't show until you have downloaded and committed all the missing dependancies. TRS works likes this so that you don't download the same things over and over again. Use CMP to find them on the DLS (if they are on the DLS of course...)

Paul
 
I have to DL them manually from that website because the module within Trainz refuses to connect to the net. Quite annoying as I've spent a few hourrs downloading a ton of Trainz content.

I absolutely hate Windows.
 
I'm not saying you should go out and buy everything so you can offer others opinions. What I'm saying is, if you personally want to know which one is going to suit you better, then the best way to do that is to download demos of both products and try both.

Nah....too much research. I usually make purchases based on educated opinions, and the opinions of those I trust. I don't have time to form an independent opinion on every little trivial thing....that's what critics and analysts are for!
I respect your methods, but there's not enough time in the day to be the Lone Ranger for me!
Ed:D
 
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