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I hope that does not happen. With software used by professionals, serious enthusiasts/amateurs and the like I can understand the need to move on to the new, but not when the activity it supports is a hobby. Hobbyists do not want to spend their "hobby-time" tied down trying to learn or use a new confusing interface. Certainly, provide the new as an option for those who want it and can use it, but don't throw out the experience and enthusiasm of many users simply to keep up with modern standards.if you don't then you get left behind like with any other software.
That's the same for me. I find I require some extra thinking when it comes to some tasks whereas I can spend hours clicking and moving between tools in Classic Surveyor almost blindly. I suppose it's due to the fact that this version of Surveyor has been with us since the early days.I use both 1 and 2 as I find some tasks easier in one than the other. The UI of 2 definitely needs a lot of improvement though as it is nowhere near as intuitive as 1, granted, there are a lot more features but I find it hard to muddle through some of them.
There is a YT channel where a Trainz developer went in depth about 2.0. I took notes and it actually helped me a lot.I need to try to learn surveyor 2. I opened it once, got a deer in the headlights look, and immediately sent back to the original![]()
More than that for anyone who has eyesight issues Paul.I agree with these sentiments. I commonly toggle between both (love S2.0 for working on splines) and I'm happy to have them side by side in the game. However, I doubt it's efficient for N3V to have two UIs hard wired into Surveyor so I've always assumed they'll move exclusively to S2.0 for the next version of the game. That will be a wrench for many people!
Its really not complicated at allI've been in Trainz since the TRS2006 days. What immediately set it aside from other sims was how simple Surveyor was compared to, say, MSTS. Surveyor 2.0 is cool, but it's quite complicated, I think. I can see where it could come in handy for those that take this seriously, DLC developers, for example. I still consider myself a casual, and for a casual like me, Surveyor Classic still does everything I need and more, and I think it keeps route building accessible for all users.
But I could just be stubborn, I don't know.
Matt
That is exactly how I made the transition over about 12 months. I used the S2.0 features when I needed to use them and eventually they became second nature.I have been doing more and more in 2.0 as time has passed.
What a strange outburst ... Surveyor 2 is a mess. I'd get a more intuitive interface if a threw up on the screen. I use it when I have to.Surveyor 2.0 isn’t just a new interface. It’s a philosophy. It’s modular, immersive, and built for creators who treat every asset as part of a living system. I’ve fully transitioned—and I believe it’s time Trainz does too.
Surveyor 1.0 still lingers in Trainz 2022. And while some users rely on it, its continued presence fragments the platform, slows innovation, and forces devs to maintain two diverging logic paths.
Trainz 2022 should represent forward momentum—streamlined workflows, modern logic, and unified editing tools. Surveyor 2.0 delivers that. Surveyor 1.0, by contrast, anchors the platform to outdated conventions.
If N3V is serious about modular evolution, Surveyor 1.0 should be fully retired in the next major update or simulator release. Give users the tools and documentation to transition confidently—and commit to the future.
Trainz deserves consistency. Builders deserve clarity. And the community deserves a platform that evolves with purpose. Surveyor 2.0 is that platform. Let’s stop straddling the past.
Legacy isn’t about clinging to old tools. It’s about honoring what worked—and building what’s next. Surveyor 2.0 is what’s next.
Surveyor 2.0 isn’t just a new interface. It’s a philosophy.
Each to their own.Surveyor 2 is a mess.
Each to their own.
I prefer Surveyor 2.0 by a mile over Surveyor Classic. I always found Classic to be clumsy - for example: you had to select the tool first then select a single object to apply it to.
We could argue all day about the merits and demerits of each but, unlike some other products, you still have the choice of which interface to use and you can easily switch between the two.
I am glad you agree with me. Just because other games do it is no reason for Trainz to follow the same bad example.Very clumsy to first select the tool before applying it