Not only to add what has already been said, but the D&RGW ran the Narrow Gauge almost to 1970. 1968. The only diesels they ever realy had (Besides the US army testers) were their switchers.
My two cents:wave:
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Not only to add what has already been said, but the D&RGW ran the Narrow Gauge almost to 1970. 1968. The only diesels they ever realy had (Besides the US army testers) were their switchers.
My two cents:wave:
oh boy,this is getting out of hand,look,while it would be nice if steam did make a comeback,I have to agree with the others,I don't think it is going to happen because of the modern day freight and passenger trains running and it is expensive plus parts for them are hard to come by!Steam could make a return in place of diesel but the locomotives almost certainly would look like a modern diesel/electric locomotive i.e. steam powered alternator that supplies power to traction motors, sadly far more efficient than coupled large driving wheels & valvegear. And it wouldnt necessarily burn coal either, more likely gas or liquid of some kind.
And I would facebook "Like" this post(more of the last sentence but...).
In other news, Can't DPfan1 get a clue? Only time will tell in the next episode of "DPfan1 Ruins The Auran Trainz Forum" brought to you in part by Danny Phantom and the Strasburg RR. Closed captioning provided by irrelevent topics/answers and too many smileys inc
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Hey guys let the kid be. Obiviously he is not going to learn from what we try to say. Just ignore him and his many threads and lets continue with our lives. If noone posts in his threads they will slowly go down into the abyss of dead and dying topics and they will be replaced by more relevent topics/threads.
Have a nice day,
Matt
Have a nice day,
Matt
mitch456yui
a.k.a - Barlo, Mitch
Dpfan1, READ THIS POST.
Sorry to quote an old post, but, the last steam run in Australia wasn't 1974, that was NSWGR, and it was 6042 (or was it 6037?). Victoria kept running steam until 1978, the last there was a VR K Class. Queensland was building new steam locos until 1968. The last, was the South Maitland Railway which were running steam until 1983.
I just didn't want people to read false information, I'm like that. Lol:hehe:
As for Dpfan1,
You've been banned once, and let back in, but, somehow you still have the audacity to continue posting about pointless crap such as Danny Phantom or Strasburg 90. You need to learn:
- Nobody cares about Danny Phantom on a forum regarding a game which involves trains. You may, but, the game is Trainz for PC, not Danny Phantom: Urban Jungle for the Game Boy Advance
- Just because you go to Strasburg every bloody day, doesn't mean they have to drag Milwaukee 261 up there to putter around a small loop with about 6 lightweight passenger cars
- Johnny Cash probably would've felt the same way everyone else does about you, 'Hurt'.
No offence, but, please. Read the posts these people put on the forums. You will learn masses about trains, railways/railroads and such. Just listen, I'm 13, and look at me, writing with correct grammar (that's how the spell 'grammer' in Australia) and punctuation. All you have to do is listen, it's not hard. And when you write a post, look at it before you post it and say, 'Hmm, is that regarding the topic and providing a constructive answer to the other person's post?'
And, so I don't get banned, I will say my part about the topic. Steam, is effectively, finished. Of course I'd love to see three D59's or C38's dragging the Melbourne to Brisbane intermodal train at 60mph, or a double-header of two AD60 Garratts slogging a heavy coal to the Port of Newcastle, but, it simply isn't going to happen. Down here in Australia, we may still use old diesels such as the 48 class and S class, but they're just so reliable. Recently, GrainCorp bought 18 48 class (known by ALCo as the DL531) locos from Pacific National and souped them up with new MU hoses, a cab refurbisment (complete with a chemical toilet) and complete engine rebuilds and components change outs. But these 48 class locos were built between 1959 and 1970. They're just so brilliant! As for the S class, they were built between 1957 and 1961. And the original, S300, is still in service!
But, sadly, steam locomotives would've wrecked the economy. All the reasons why have been said before, if you've bothered to read them. It simply, isn't going to happen. I wish it could, but, no. It probably won't, not in America anyway.
Thanks,
Mitch
Sorry to quote an old post, but, the last steam run in Australia wasn't 1974, that was NSWGR, and it was 6042 (or was it 6037?). Victoria kept running steam until 1978, the last there was a VR K Class. Queensland was building new steam locos until 1968. The last, was the South Maitland Railway which were running steam until 1983.
I just didn't want people to read false information, I'm like that. Lol:hehe:
As for Dpfan1,
You've been banned once, and let back in, but, somehow you still have the audacity to continue posting about pointless crap such as Danny Phantom or Strasburg 90. You need to learn:
- Nobody cares about Danny Phantom on a forum regarding a game which involves trains. You may, but, the game is Trainz for PC, not Danny Phantom: Urban Jungle for the Game Boy Advance
- Just because you go to Strasburg every bloody day, doesn't mean they have to drag Milwaukee 261 up there to putter around a small loop with about 6 lightweight passenger cars
- Johnny Cash probably would've felt the same way everyone else does about you, 'Hurt'.
No offence, but, please. Read the posts these people put on the forums. You will learn masses about trains, railways/railroads and such. Just listen, I'm 13, and look at me, writing with correct grammar (that's how the spell 'grammer' in Australia) and punctuation. All you have to do is listen, it's not hard. And when you write a post, look at it before you post it and say, 'Hmm, is that regarding the topic and providing a constructive answer to the other person's post?'
And, so I don't get banned, I will say my part about the topic. Steam, is effectively, finished. Of course I'd love to see three D59's or C38's dragging the Melbourne to Brisbane intermodal train at 60mph, or a double-header of two AD60 Garratts slogging a heavy coal to the Port of Newcastle, but, it simply isn't going to happen. Down here in Australia, we may still use old diesels such as the 48 class and S class, but they're just so reliable. Recently, GrainCorp bought 18 48 class (known by ALCo as the DL531) locos from Pacific National and souped them up with new MU hoses, a cab refurbisment (complete with a chemical toilet) and complete engine rebuilds and components change outs. But these 48 class locos were built between 1959 and 1970. They're just so brilliant! As for the S class, they were built between 1957 and 1961. And the original, S300, is still in service!
But, sadly, steam locomotives would've wrecked the economy. All the reasons why have been said before, if you've bothered to read them. It simply, isn't going to happen. I wish it could, but, no. It probably won't, not in America anyway.
Thanks,
Mitch
well said! "just stop posting.....whose posting now...oh that's me..stop posting!:hehe:"
Red_Rattler
Since 09 May 2003
Wrong! 1980's
Last steam trains (not tourist trains of course!) in Australia
10 Jun 1983: South Maitland Railway
And if I remember, the very last steam train in Australia was also in the same area (not same line, but maybe by the same operators) in 1987, and the anniversary date was recent.
Both these were coal trains.
The main reason is that their was plenty of supply for them.
Mitch456, instead of steam engines pulling an intermodal freight, would you settle for a coal train pulled by steam? Just do a youtube search for this exact title "A Steam Coal Train Passes".
PS: I'd rather not bring this up, however some of you that have posted in this thread need to take a look in a mirror.
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Not in britain steam is still going on the heritage railways and planed journeys for tourists on the mainlines.
trainboy99
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Don't get too excited...all steam fans sceince diesel is starting to go up the railroads should switch back to coal burning steam locmotives to pull their trains.
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trainboy99
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Too bad I didn't move to were I live till 2006. (South of Sterling.)
SantaFebuff
That's So Trainz Forum
Steam is gone. It would be better for electric to replace diesel.
*facepalm*
Cheers,
Joshua
*facepalm*
Cheers,
Joshua
although steam should be used again, you will never see it agian on mainline work for freight or more. coal is too expensive to run on for a daily basis. also the amount of maitenance needed for steam is too much compared to a diesel. maitenance back in the 40s was averagely about in the 10ks range for price, nowadays for steam maitenance is in the high 100ks range to millions range. plus not only is it cost, but clearly there would be some people that are the super green type that would complain that theres too much pollution, which is true. there is biodiesel engines for steam but those aren't too efficient. unfortunately theres many other costly reasons to why these aren't run... sad and dissapointing to see these factors come into play.
That would be rather expensive in Britain though the whole west is diesel with the north & east with overhead wires and the southern 3rd rail.
orthough it would make sence efficently.
The railroads would never go back to full service steam for a number of reasons, the biggest being the amount of personnel to re-hire. Before the diesel era, pre 1940's, there was literally hundred of thousands of railroad employees, many of these employees were in the servicing & repair departments because these steam engines required such finesse and expertise to get repaired on an almost daily basis. Now there is probably 2/3 less railroad employees in the USA. Running diesels is much more of a financially viable business model for transportation. I think the most people will see of steam being used seriously is for excursion or heritage trains.
perry_weekley
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I was thinking the other day, but is it possible to super heat water with solar panels? Everyone thinks that if steam come back they gotta use coal. Why not try to revolutionize it. There has to be more than one way to heat up a boiler.
Maintenance costs? Get America off their rears and back to industrial work and the cost for those parts will go down. You need demand to create jobs and with created jobs the demand goes down as well as the price.
I don't believe Electric should take over, it's unreliable. As soon as the power goes out their dead. Doesn't help in my neck of the woods where every time a bad storm blows in the powers gone. Diesel is alright for right now but their too bland. The companies need to have more creative power with their locomotives. I personally love the UP Heritage Units as their not the same as all the others, it's a pride in their heritage and a mix of colors that hides the same old yellow locomotive.
Side note, force the CSX CEO to get on that show, Undercover Boss. Maybe they'll get their rears in gear and stop screwing up so much. :hehe:
Maintenance costs? Get America off their rears and back to industrial work and the cost for those parts will go down. You need demand to create jobs and with created jobs the demand goes down as well as the price.
I don't believe Electric should take over, it's unreliable. As soon as the power goes out their dead. Doesn't help in my neck of the woods where every time a bad storm blows in the powers gone. Diesel is alright for right now but their too bland. The companies need to have more creative power with their locomotives. I personally love the UP Heritage Units as their not the same as all the others, it's a pride in their heritage and a mix of colors that hides the same old yellow locomotive.
Side note, force the CSX CEO to get on that show, Undercover Boss. Maybe they'll get their rears in gear and stop screwing up so much. :hehe:
solar panels can possibly be made to super heat water. they're already made to heat water for heating and some electrically uses. the only problem with sloar panels is how fragile they can be. solar panels could crack easily with the amount of use on the engine. plus in the boiler of a steam, theres quite a bit of pressure from heat, solar panels i don't believe could be that efficient, might as well run the engine as a wood burner.
And as for electric, i agree with you. if theres a power outage, you've stopped any form of commuting possible. plus the price of house hold electric would possibly go up by atleast one thousand dollars in taxes for a month. and in places like california where theres already enough of a power crisis let alone sticking an electric generated engine in there. plus commuting along the long plains, you'd need so many power generatos to keep them flowing properly through the lands. theres no way in this country that electric could be a priority.
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