So much for copyright

frogpipe

Yesterdayz Trainz Member
I'm not involved, just an observation.

"City Planetarium,<kuid2:60349:25345:1>" from or at least included in Modula City from Trainzland clearly ripped textures off from "Earth and Beyond" an old MMORPG...

I'm pretty sure EA didn't relinqush it's copyrights.

Now it's an asset built into TS12. :o
 
Now before we start jumping to conclusions... Are you sure these textures aren't in the public domain, or are available as textures sets for purchase? DAZ-3d, Turbo-Squid and others offer models, textures and such for sale and for use in payware. The model builders at EA and Trainzland could very well have used the same textures.

http://www.daz3d.com/utilities-resources/texture-resources/

http://www.shopwiki.com/l/Texture-jpg-moonscape-blue-green-3D-model

These aren't necessarily buildings - instead to show the sources.

John

Edited to add URLS.

John
 
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Good point, but one of them is a map of the in-game galaxy. It was used as a loading screen to look at while the next sector loaded. So - I doubt it, it's not like it's a "wall" texture or what have you.
 
Good point, but one of them is a map of the in-game galaxy. It was used as a loading screen to look at while the next sector loaded. So - I doubt it, it's not like it's a "wall" texture or what have you.

That's interesting. This image may still be in the public domain though.

I know how you feel though about the copyrights. Speaking of which, I got a confirmation about using the model-texturing software with Trainz. The author said it's okay as long as we put in a disclaimer. I posted a thread about this, but it has since disappeared, and searching stinks.

I do have his email to me though and I will repost his copyright permission.

John
 
Guys,

Can we please take a break with this whole copyright thing and just get back to enjoying Trainz? I tell ya this whole copyright fiasco is beginning to make my head spin. :confused:
 
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I can understand why people get concerned on copyright, as it's one of those things that can get very expensive if breached.

Shane
 
John, when you wrote, in part

... <snippage> ... I got a confirmation about using the model-texturing software with Trainz. The author said it's okay as long as we put in a disclaimer. I posted a thread about this, but it has since disappeared, and searching stinks ... <snippage> ...

I must beg to differ. I had no problem finding your earlier thread. I simply went to "advanced search", chose "posts" as the single content style, used "textures", and your user name as search parameters, and chose to have the results displayed as threads. About half way down the first search page, I found this thread

<http://forums.auran.com/trainz/showthread.php?99861-Model-Builder-Software-I-contacted-the-creator>

which is, I think, your earlier thread about the textures.

ns
 
John, when you wrote, in part



I must beg to differ. I had no problem finding your earlier thread. I simply went to "advanced search", chose "posts" as the single content style, used "textures", and your user name as search parameters, and chose to have the results displayed as threads. About half way down the first search page, I found this thread

<http://forums.auran.com/trainz/showthread.php?99861-Model-Builder-Software-I-contacted-the-creator>

which is, I think, your earlier thread about the textures.

ns

You were lucky. The forum search doesn't always work that way.

Go play the lottery and I hope you win!

John
 
To the whole copyright thing! :

Is it allowed to take a pic from engines ya have not made and use it without permission of the author of that asset as a signature...not to offend anyone *think* but just curios...
 
To the whole copyright thing! :

Is it allowed to take a pic from engines ya have not made and use it without permission of the author of that asset as a signature...not to offend anyone *think* but just curios...

I would still give the author credit for the photo just like you do if you're writing a term paper. Most authors and publications allow using images in publications as long as they are cited in reference. If you're not sure, you can always contact the author or publication.

This is how it usually is in college and when sources are not cited, it's considered plagiarism, or using someone else's work and taking credit for it.

John
 
Ah okay lol

This whole copyright thing is too funny :hehe: You never know exactly what is illegal and what not :p
 
Ah okay lol

This whole copyright thing is too funny :hehe: You never know exactly what is illegal and what not :p

Yup. The thing is to be careful and read the requirements. If the author says do not reproduce it, don't! In most cases you don't see this, so giving the author credit is the safe way to go. :)

I'm not sure if you are over on Facebook. I am and belong to a select group of acquaintances. Many of them are people I actually know from all over the US and world, and we all share similar interests from severe storms to railroads to classical music. Recently a company was caught stealing someone's photographs from FB. She called them out on it, and they were forced to pull the pictures. Another user has been banned for the same thing. He took other storm-chasers' photographs and claimed them as his own. He even changed the date a photo was taken to say it occurred at a different time. He got caught, reported and banned.

John
 
Copyright is deadly serious so far as I am concerned and it doesn't matter whether it's a freeware house in a computer game or a multi million selling music album. Having been a victim of someone stealing my work and attempting to upload it as their own at TS.com I have zero tolerance for anyone who either breaches copyright, advocates same or who thinks it's an okay thing to do.
 
I am not getting involved in this but thought I'd pop in the fact that (at least here in Oz) copyright is automatic; it is not necessary, under the law, for one to state that something is copyright if, should ever the need arise, evidence can be shown that it is the original work of the claimant.

Just thought you'd like to know. :)

Bruce
 
Copyright is deadly serious so far as I am concerned and it doesn't matter whether it's a freeware house in a computer game or a multi million selling music album. Having been a victim of someone stealing my work and attempting to upload it as their own at TS.com I have zero tolerance for anyone who either breaches copyright, advocates same or who thinks it's an okay thing to do.

I agree with you to a certain extent. If we are purely discussing Trainz, then most Content Creators are quite clear in the "config.txt" file what level of permission they give, if any. However, the "grey area" comes in when someone has left the Trainz Community for a while and no longer responds to pm's or emails.

Just how far do you take the copyright thing? In mucking about with GMax and Blender, I have probably "created" over 1000 box shapes, trapezia and cylinders of various sizes over the years. Can I dissect someone's work and say "Hey, man! How dare you cover my box with your own textures?" I am also pretty sure that when you use free programs such as Blender, GMax and Google Sketch Up that part of the conditions of using freeware is that you relinquish any rights of ownership.

As far as I can see it, most of this stuff is common courtesy. If I have done something to improve Vern's "Ayr to Stranraer" - maybe added some harbour features where the assets weren't available when Vern built the route - a quick email to ask his permission to upload would elicit a response. If the reply was "no", then you have to respect that the author has his or her own reasons and move on! More often than not, when I have asked for permission from the community, it has been forthcoming.

I think also, in the early days, it was relatively easy to claim ownership of content. Now, with the millions of computers and 3d modellers out there, it is going to become ever more difficult to claim something as unique. If I decide to model an obscure station - say "Kings Nympton" (at one time known as South Molton Road) - it is quite posible someone may hit on exactly the same idea at the same time and, if we researched from the same sources and used the same track plans, we may end up with almost identical models. In fact, I recall that this did happen with route building of the "Somerset and Dorset" but both route builders discussed each other's work openly, honestly, amicably and maturely.

Copyright is a funny old game! In fact, there's an idea for a new game - see if you can bankrupt your best friend! :p
 
... <snippage> ... the "grey area" comes in when someone has left the Trainz Community for a while and no longer responds to pm's or emails.

When someone has merely left the community, there is no change to copyright, at least in the US. However, in the US, when someone is deceased the situation may be different if they have failed to make provision for the proper transfer of their privileges under copyright law. The situation in the US is that copyright is a civil matter, and only the copyright holder, or the registered agent of the copyright holder, may initiate an infringement action. If a member of the Trainz community dies, and does not make provision for transfer, then the practical effect is that the work is still copyright, but there is no one who has standing to enforce the copyright, and any copyright action brought in US courts is likely to be dismissed on the grounds of lack of standing.



... <snippage> ... I am also pretty sure that when you use free programs such as Blender, GMax and Google Sketch Up that part of the conditions of using freeware is that you relinquish any rights of ownership.

I have insufficient knowledge to write as to the copyright implications of either GMAX or Sketchup, however, creators who use Blender have the option asserting copyright on the items they produce with Blender, under the terms of the Blender Artist License. I also know that GIMP, the image processing software, does not restrict the copyright privileges of a user who uses it to produce images.

... <snippage> ... If I have done something to improve Vern's "Ayr to Stranraer" - maybe added some harbour features where the assets weren't available when Vern built the route - a quick email to ask his permission to upload would elicit a response. If the reply was "no", then you have to respect that the author has his or her own reasons and move on!

Maybe, maybe not. Depends upon the asset. If you can create your improvements in a way that do not require copying and changing Vern's route, and you make reference to Vern's route in your improvements as a dependency, then Vern's failure, refusal, or inability to give consent may not even come into play.

I think also, in the early days, it was relatively easy to claim ownership of content. Now, with the millions of computers and 3d modellers out there, it is going to become ever more difficult to claim something as unique. If I decide to model an obscure station - say "Kings Nympton" (at one time known as South Molton Road) - it is quite posible someone may hit on exactly the same idea at the same time and, if we researched from the same sources and used the same track plans, we may end up with almost identical models.

However similar they may be, neither route is apt to be an infringement of the other. If the design of the buildings and layout of the track are old enough to be in the public domain, then there may not enough new content for the item to be copyright, at least not in the US, where copyright depends upon novel content. If the design of the building is newer, though, there may be an issue with whoever owns the copyright on the design of the building, which may be the architect, or the building owner.

ns
 
Funny thing is, all those logos, typefaces, and liveries are the property of their respective Railroad and/or the railroad that absorbed them. But somehow that never seems to be an issue.... Did Athern or Atlas or whoever have to get license to make model trains that bear the livery of a real railroad?
 
Funny thing is, all those logos, typefaces, and liveries are the property of their respective Railroad and/or the railroad that absorbed them. But somehow that never seems to be an issue.... Did Athern or Atlas or whoever have to get license to make model trains that bear the livery of a real railroad?

Probably not. I doubt if Hornby, Wrenn, Lima, Graham Farish etc over here sought permission either. Mind you, all this wowling over "copyright" has only come about because of the smell of money - "I want Komp-en-say-shun!"
 
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